HomeMy WebLinkAboutPC_Minutes_1990_10_02MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF THE CITY OF HERMOSA BEACH
HELD ON OCTOBER 2, 1990, AT 7:00 P.M. IN THE CITY HALL COUNCD, CHAMBERS
Meeting called to order at 7:02 P.M. by Chmn. Ingell.
Pledge of Allegiance led by Comm. Ketz.
Chrnn. Ingell introduced and welcomed the new Planning Commissioner. Edmund Aleks.
ROLLCALL
Present:
Absent:
Also Present:
Comms. Aleks, Ket:z, Peirce. Rue, Chmn. Ingell
None
Michael Schubach, Planning Director: Edward Lee, .Assistant City
Attorney; Sally White, Recording Secretary
CONSENT CALENDAR
Comm. Rue pulled for discussion Resolution P.C. 90-80, stating that Condition No. 5 should be
modified to indicate that there is to be no take-out service of alcoholic beverages.
Mr. Schubach stated that the words "check-out stands" can be deleted from the condition.
Chmn. Ingell pulled for discussion the minutes of September 18, 1990. He stated that the
minutes submitted by the substitute recording secretary contain numerous errors. Noting that
the minutes were received late as well, he su~gesled that approval be continued to the first
meeting in Novemf:)er. when an of the Commissioners will be present.
Mr. Schubach noted, however, that the housing element will be going forward to the City
Council. He therefore suggested that the Commission review and approve that portion of the
minutes so that they can be sent to the Council.
Chmn. Inge11 stated that any further discussion of the minutes would be deferred until later in
the meeting.
MOTION by Comm. Ketz, seconded by Comm. Rue, to approve the following consent calendar
Items (with Resolution P.C. 90-80 as amended):
Resolution P.C. 90-33, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CI1Y OF
HERMOSA BEACH, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW OFF-
SALE BEER AND WINE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A CONVENIENCE MARKET, AND ADOPTION
OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE DECLARATfON FOR 302 PIER AVENUE, SIMPSON'S
MARKET, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS A PORTION OF LOT 8, BLOCK 55. FIRST ADDIDON
TO HERMOSA TRACT;
Resolution P.C. 90-58, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CI1Y OF
HERMOSA BEACH, CALIFORNIA, DENYJNG A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
FOR ON-SALE BEER AND WINE IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN EXISTING RESTAURANT AT
1433 HERMOSA AVENUE, LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOTS 15, 16, 17, AND 18, BLOCK 15.
HERMOSA BEACH TRACT;
Resolution P.C. 90-75, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CI1Y OF
HERMOSA BEACH, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING AMENDING TI-IE HOUSING ELEMENf OF
THE GENERAL PLAN BY ADDING "THE 1989-1994 REVISION TO THE HOUSING ELEMENT,"
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AS REVISED, AS A GENERAL POLICY STATEMENT AND ADOPTION OF AN
ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION;
Resolution P.C. 90-77, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CI'IY OF
HERMOSA BEACH, CALIFORNIA, DENYING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND PRECISE
DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUEST FOR AN AUTO BODY REPAIR AND PAINTING
ESTABLISHMENT AT 1081 TO 1087 AVIATION, LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOTS 49 AND 50,
AND THE SOurHERLY 58 FEET OF LOTS 47 AND 48, HERMOSA HEIGHTS TRACT;
Resolution P.C. 90-79, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CI'IY OF
HERMOSA BEACH, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE
REMODEL AND ADDITION TO A UNIT WITHIN A FOUR-UNIT CONDOMINIUM APPROVED AT
44 7TH STREET;
Resolution P.C. 90-80, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CI'IY OF
HERMOSA BEACH, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW ON-
SALE GENERAL ALCOHOL IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RESTAURANT, AND ADOPTION OF AN
ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATNE DECLARATION FOR 11 PIER AVENUE, THE MERMAID
RESTAURANT, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOTS 1-4, INCLUSIVE, BLOCK 13, HERMOSA
BEACH TRACT.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Ketz, Peirce, Rue, Chmn. Ingell
None
Comm. Aleks
None
COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC
No one appeared to address the Commission.
CUP 90-15 --CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT TO EXTEND ALLOWED
ENTERTAINMENT HOURS TO INCLUDE 9:00 P.M. TO 1: 15 A.M. ON WEEKDAYS AND 2;00 P.M.
TO 1:15 A.M. ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS AND ADOPTION OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL
NEGATIVE DECLARATION AT 8 PIER AVENUE, HENNESSEY'S TAVERN {CONTINUED FROM
MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 18. 1990)
Mr. Schubach gave staff report dated September 11, 1990. Staff recommended approval of the
requested CUP amendment, subject to the conditions specified in the proposed resolution, and
except that entertainment shall not begin until 7:00 P.M. on weekends and holidays.
The applicant has applied for this CUP amendment as agreed with staff to resolve a
discrepancy in the hours and limitations for live entertainment which were in two older
conditional use permits. Staffs position is that Resolution BZA 154-391 (December 15, 1980)
limiting the hours of entertainment to between 9:00 P.M. and 1: 15 AM. on Saturdays and
Sundays only is the applicable requirement.
The staff environmental review committee recommended a mitigated environmental negative
declaration and recommended several mitigation measures: (1) that the building shall be
sound reinforced to contain noise inside the building; (2) an acoustical study shall be prepared
by an acoustical expert to identify the appropriate improvements necessary for containing the
sound; (3) musical entertainment volume shall be the responsibility of the management, not
the entertainer; and (4) noise readings shall be performed by the City to verify compliance once
the mitigation measures are implemented.
The Planning Commission recently denied a request by The End Zone. located at 22 Pier
Avenue, to extend its hours to include 4:00 P.M. to 7:00 P.M. on weekends. This decision was
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upheld by the City Council on appeal, and therefore The End Zone's allowed entertainment
hours are restricted to between 7:00 P.M. and 1:30 A.M. on Thursday through Sunday and
holidays.
The primary concern with extended hours of live entertainment is the expansion of noise
problems. Problems relating to excessive noise and non-compliance with the CUP have been
documented by the police for several years. On some occasions, the violations have been
corrected. Often, however, the same problems arise again and require further police
monitoring and enforcement. The police department indicates that because of the utilization
of the special enforcement unit this summer, the establishments were kept under control, and
problems were minimal.
It does not appear that the establishment has even been in compliance with the restriction that
entertainment be only on weekend nights. Also. the police department has historically had
difficulty obtaining cmnpliance with the condition that doors and windows be closed during
amplified entertainment.
Given the history of the problems at this location. staff is hesitant to recommend an extension
in the hours. However, a precedent has been set with The End Zone for the weeknights of
Thursday and Friday nights (The End Zone has never requested entertainment for Monday
through Wednesday), and Hennessey's has been using these nights for entertainment for
several years. Therefore, staff recommended approval of weekday evening hours from 9:00
P.M. until 1:15AM.
In regard to the hours for Saturday and Sunday, staff felt that to be consistent with the hours
granted for The End Zone, the entertainment should be allowed to start no sooner than 7:00
P.M.
Additional conditions were recommended to require that the building be soundproofed. Also,
several standard conditions applicable to alcohol establishments not previously a part of the
BZA resolutions are included.
Public Hearing opened at 7: 10 P.M. by Chmn. Ingell.
Paul Hennessey, owner and applicant, addressed the Commission and: (1) said that he has
worked with staff and he has applied for a clarification of Condition No. 1 of the CUP; (2)
passed out copies of the past BZA resolutions and stated that it is apparent that a typographical
error was made, in that BZA 154-365, Condition No. 1, contains additional wording not found
in Condition No. 1 of BZA 154-391, related to the hours of entertainment; (3) noted that BZA
154-365, Condition No. 1, states: "Electronically amplified musical entertainment shall be
limited to the hours of9:00 P.M. to 1:15AM. on weekdays and from 2:00 P.M. to 1:15 A.M. on
Saturdays and Sundays: (4) said that Hennessey's has had live entertainment for the past 14
years, prior to The End zone ever even applying for an entertainment permit; (5) therefore did
not feel that the decision made related to The End Zone ts applicable in relation to Hennessey's.
Mr. Hennessey continued and: {1) in response to a question from Chmn. Ingell related to the
changes made from BZA 154-365 to BZA 154-391. stated that at the time BZA 154-391 was
approved, the Board made no corim1ents related to the hours for live entertainment; (2)
discussed closure of the windows and said that the Board at that time said the doors and
windows could remain open during live entertainment. so long as no complaints were received
from the neighbors, and none have been received; (3) passed out copies ofletters he has received
from the City {one dated 1988 and one dated summer of 1990) commending this establishment
on its compliance with City regulations and requirements of the conditional use permit.
Mr. Hennessey went on and: (1) passed out a copy of a document dated October 8, 1986, "Status
Report Regarding Downtown Noise Enforcement." and he said the report makes no mention
whatsoever of any noise problems emanating from Hennessey's; (2) said that Hennessey's has
established a good track record for complying with City requirements: (3) stressed that there
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has been live entertainment at this establishment on Saturdays and Sundays for 14 years, and
it is apparent to him that there was a typographical error on the second approval by the BZA.
154-391.
Comm. Peirce noted that a standard condition has been to require that all windows be screened
in order to prevent the passing through of alcoho1fc beverages, to which Mr. Hennessey replied
that the front windows currently do have screens. He stated. also, that he has never seen
drinks being passed out through the windows.
Comm. Rue noted that the police department has historically had problems enforcing the
condition that doors and windows must remain closed during live entertainment. He noted
that there appears to be a discrepancy in the CUP related to this condition.
Mr. Hennessey said that the current conditions do not specifically state that doors and
windows must remain closed during live entertainment. The police have come to the
establishment requesting that the windows and doors be closed during entertainment, and
they have voluntarily complied. He felt, however, that the police department is having a
problem in determining which CUP should be enforced.
Comm. Peirce countered that BZA 154-391, Condition No. 2, states: "If the sound emanating
from the business is sufficient to constitute a nuisance evidenced by complaints or sound
measurements. the outer doors and exterior operable doors and windows shall be closed at all
times when electronically amplified entertainment is occurring." He further noted that the
same condition is included in BZA 154-365. He felt, however, that this point is academic,
noting that he has been in the area many times, and music from this establishment is booming
out Into the street. He stressed that the doors and windows must be closed during live
entertainment. and he asked whether Mr. Hennessey intends to comply with the condition.
Mr. Hennessey stated that the doors and windows are being closed now. Further, he has been
told by the police that this establishment is in compliance. He said that he will continue to
close the doors and windows, if so required by lhe Cily. He said that his main objection relates
to Condition No. 1, regarding the hours of entertainment.
Public Hearing closed at 7:20 P.M. by Chmn. Ingell.
Comm. Aleks asked what differences there are between this establishment and The End Zone,
to which Mr. Schubach explained that The End Zone is more of a sports-oriented bar.
Essentially, however, they are both alcoholic establishments. They are located vexy near to
each other, and they are on the same side of the street. He said that The End Zone's band area is
slightly larger than Hennessey's; however. there are many similarities between the two
businesses.
Mr. Schubach, in response to a question from Comm. Aleks, stated that approval of additional
hours would set a precedent, which he did not feel would be desirable, noting that there have
been problems in the past. He felt that the hours should be the same for the two
establishments.
Comm. Rue asked whether there is data from the police department related to the noise, to
which Mr. Schubach explained that reports have been received, but it would be necessary for
staff to locate them.
Comm. Rue stated that the police department has historically had difficulty enforcing the
condition that doors and windows shall be closed during live entertainment.
Mr. Schubach stated that there has recently been more compliance with that condition, and
the number of complaints has been reduced.
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Comm. Rue noted that there have been many problems throughout the City with noise;
however, it is difficult to specificaUy address the problem without having additional
information. such as police reports. He noted also that one of the conditions requires that an
acoustical study be done to identify appropriate improvements for containing the sound, and
he questioned when that study would be completed.
Mr. Schubach stated that this is the same requirement imposed on The End Zone, and that the
applicant wiU be required to provide staff with the appropriate data related to the noise level
and what can be done to resolve the problem. He continued by explaining what The End Zone
has done to mitigate the noise. He said that this applicant must provide the data within a
reasonable time period.
Chmn. Ingell felt it is inappropriate to compare Hennessey's with The End Zone. He noted that
Mr. Hennessey himself asked for this clarification: whereas. The End Zone was being
considered for a revocation hearing due to their noncompliance.
Mr. Schubach stated that this applicant has an existing CUP in effect at this time. The
applicant approached staff in regard to the hours of operation and asked for clarification on
the hours.
Comm. Peirce stated that it appears that the only operable differences between past CUPs and
the current CUP being proposed is Condition No. 4(b) which requires an acoustical study to be
prepared and the attendant mitigation measures, and the hours of operation.
Chmn. Ingell stated that it appears that Hennessey's hours of operation have been
grandfathered in. He noted that new businesses would not necessarily have the same
conditions imposed as older businesses.
Comm. Peirce stated that the condition related to the sound study in this CUP appears to be an
extension of BZA 154-391, which also required sound measurements (Condition No. 2). He felt
that such a condition is appropriate, no matter how long this business has been in existence.
He felt that during the periodic reviews, the Commission should attempt to make
recommendations for improvements based on what is best for the City.
Comm. Peirce opposed an extension in the hours of operation, stating that the main question
is when the party should begin in the downtown area. He therefore did not feel that longer
hours are necessary, and he thought that 9:00 P.M. to 1: 15 AM. on weekdays and 7:00 P.M. to
1: 15 AM. on the weekends is adequate.
Chmn. Ingell stated that this case differs from The End Zone. especially in light of the fact that
the applicant was not aware that he would be losing his hours of operation in the new
conditional use permit, and the applicant has been operating for years with the understanding
that his hours of operation were in compliance. He further noted that he could find no mention
of the hours in the minutes of the BZA meetings at which this business was discussed;
therefore, he did not feel hours of operation was a major concern of that board.
Comm. Peirce asked whether the Board of Zoning Adjustments kept detailed minutes in 1980,
to which Mr. Schubach replied that the sparse minutes proved to be a problem, and more
thorough, detailed minutes are now prepared in an attempt to avoid this very type of problem.
Comm. Peirce noted concern that the resolution adopted by the Board of Zoning Adjustments
(BZA 154-391) was not signed.
Comm. Rue asked whether there would be any objection to allowing live entertainment to start
at 5:00 or 6:00 P.M. on the weekends. nollng that such a starting time would not be in the
middle of the afternoon, which was a previous concern of the Commission. He noted that
many people like to relax after a day at the beach, and he felt such a starting time would be
acceptable and would be a fair compromise.
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Comm. Peirce noted that The End Zone cannot start live entertainment until 7:00 P.M., and he
questioned what the rationale would be to allow this business to start its entertainment
earlier.
Comm. Rue said that this is an o1der CUP which has not been signed, and the minutes do not
detail the specifics of the conditions. He did not feel that the earlier starting time would be
detrimental.
Comm. Peirce stated that the Commission should be consistent, and he did not feel it would be
appropriate to allow one business to begin entertainment ear1ier than another.
Comm. Ketz agreed that the businesses shou1d be treated similarly; therefore, she favored the
hours being the same for each.
Comm. Rue and Chmn. Ingell agreed that the type of entertainment offered at the two
businesses differs. Hennessey's entertainment is on a smaller scale; whereas, The End Zone
has larger groups performing. It was a1so noted that Hennessey's has been in operation for
many years at this location.
Comm. Peirce cautioned that the CUP runs with the business, and another owner could come in
and have much larger groups performing.
Public Hearing reopened at 7:33 P.M. by Chmn. Ingell.
Paul Hennessey, applicant, addressed the Commission and: ( 1) replied to a question from
Chmn. Ingell regarding his opinion of the new staff-proposed conditions, to which he replied
that several of the conditions have been met, such as that requiring a sound study; (2) explained
that a sound study was done in 1981 and the study was given to the City, and there were no
objections at that time; (3) said that the speakers and volume control methods were changed at
that time; (4) said that there have been no complaints from the City since that time.
Mr. Hennessey continued and: (1) stressed that he is not asking to expand the hours of
entertainment; (2) rather, he is asking to continue with the hours he has had for the 14 years
they have been in operation; (3) again noted that this problem arose because of a typographical
error in the resolution; (4) said that this business is not physically large enough to
accommodate any more than two or three performers at one time: therefore, he would have no
objection to a condition limiting the number of performers.
Chmn. Ingell referred to Condition No. 4(c): "All music/entertainment volume levels shall be
controlled by the management, not by the entertainers."
Mr. Hennessey replied that that condition is not feasible, explaining that the musicians
themselves control the volume of their own instruments and amplifiers. He said that it is a
matter of the musicians policing themselves.
Comm. Rue stated that the Commission desires the management to monitor the sound. even if
they do not actually control the volume levels of the instruments. to which Mr. Hennessey
replied that management has no prob1em with monitoring the noise level.
Mr. Hennessey stated that the business has built its reputation on its entertainment, and any
changes now would be very detrimental to the business. He stated that by providing
entertainment, higher prices can be charged, therefore ensuring a higher-quality clientele. He
did not feel that afternoon entertainment is detrimental, and he did not feel it would disturb
the neighborhood.
Comm. Rue felt that there would be no objection to earlier hours for live entertainment, so long
as there is a guarantee that the noise would be contained within the building. He said that the
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biggest problem is that noise can be heard on the streets. and it almost seems as though the bars
are competing with each other for business.
Mr. Hennessey again noted that his business was never cited for noncompliance. He stated that
he is asking for nothing new: he merely wants to continue with the hours he has had for many
years. He did not feel it is fair to be penalized for problems which have been created by other
businesses.
Howard Longacre, 1221 7th Place. Hermosa Beach, addressed the Commission and: (1) asked
whether Chmn. Ingell might have a conOict of interest due to his interest in Scotty's
Restaurant, to which Chmn. Ingell explained that he has had no involvement with Scotty's
since last January; (2) stated that Hennessey's is a nice business. however, he did not feel there
is a significant difference between it and The End Zone: (3) opposed the increased hours, based
on the fact that increased hours would mean increased alcohol consumption, which he does
not favor.
Comm. Rue asked whether it is possible to have quieter entertainment in the afternoon hours,
to which Mr. Hennessey replied that that would be possible, but it involves hiring the
appropriate entertainment and having proper monitoring by management. He stated that it
would be detrimental for his business to have entertainment that is very loud, since that tends
to drive people away.
Mr. Hennessey explained that last summer he instituted a new policy whereby the entertainers
are required to sign a form stating that they are aware that if they are asked too many times to
turn down the volume, they will not be hired to perform again.
Dave Reimer, 802 Monterey, Hermosa Beach, addressed the Commission and suggested that the
applicant be required to purchase a sound monitoring device and maintain records of the noise
levels.
Mr. Hennessey stated that they have already purchased noise meters which they have been
using to control the noise.
Public Hearing closed at 7:44 P .M. by Chmn. Ingell.
Comm. Rue felt that Hennessey's managers are making an effort to comply with the
requirements, noting that noise meters have been purchased. He felt that if the noise can be
controlled and kept inside, the Commissions' goal would be reached. So long as the noise is
kept inside, he had no objection to the hours.
Comm. Ketz stated that she could support approval of the request if the noise can be kept inside,
and if there can be a limit on the number of entertainers. She felt that the main objective is to
have businesses meet the noise requirements. and if this can be accomplished, she has no
objection to the hours of operation.
Chmn. Ingell felt that if the hours of operation had been a major concern. the minutes of the
BZA would have reflected that fact; therefore, he felt that this problem arose due to a
typographical error. He agreed that if the noise can be kept inside and the business can stay in
compliance, he would have no objection to the hours. He felt that the Commissions' purpose at
this point is to correct a clerical error.
Comm. Aleks did not see this as a noise issue, but rather one of alcoholic consumption and
hours of operation for this and other businesses. He felt that just because this business has
been in operation for a long time Is not adequate reason to approve extended hours; therefore,
he favored approval of staffs recommended hours for live entertainment. from 9:00 P.M. until
1:15AM.
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Comm. Rue stated that the Commission does not want to be arbitrary: however, this business
has a track record and has not been cited for noncompliance. He noted that violations at The
End Zone were well documented. and their hours were imposed based on that documentation.
Comm. Peirce felt that to allow different hours for this business would constitute special
treatment, which he did not favor. He felt that the decision should be based upon what is
actually happening in the area at the present time.
Chmn. Ingell did not feel that the standards would be dilTerent for the dilTerent businesses. He
stated that this problem arose solely because of a derical error, and the applicant merely came
in to request clarification on the issue of hours of operation.
Comm. Peirce stressed that this decision should be based upon what is best for the City today,
not what happened years ago. He could see no difference between this business and The End
Zone.
Comm. Rue questioned whether it would be feasible to include a condition related to the
maximum decibel level which could be allowed inside the building.
Mr. Schubach stated that Condition No. 4(c) could be modified to indicate that noise levels
shall be controlled by the management.
Comm. Peirce stated that noise inside is not the issue: rather, the issue is the level of noise
emanating outside the business.
MOTION by Comm. Rue, seconded by Chmn. Ingell, to approve Resolution 90-78 with the
following modifications: (I) Condition No. 1 shall be modified to read: "The hours for live
entertainment shall be limited to the hours from 9:00 P.M. to 1: 15 AM Monday through
Friday. and from 2:00 P,M. to 1:15 A.M. on Saturdays. Sundays. and national holidays. as
desfinated by the City of Hermosa Beach: (2) Condillon No. 4(c) shall be amended to specify that
management shall be responsible for the music/entertainment volume levels: and (3) a
condition shall be added specifying that there shall be a maximum of three entertainers at any
one time.
Comm. Rue stated that the intent is to have the expanded hours on holidays when people are off
work.
Comm. Rue commented on findings and stated that one of his reasons for allowing the
additional hours is that this conditional use permit is affected by the physical layout of the
building, and any changes In the layout require Planning CommiSsion approval. He included
more findings: i.e., the past history of this establishment. and the fact that management has
purchased noise meters which they are using in an attempt to keep the noise level down.
Chmn. Ingell offered an additional finding: i.e., the applicant was requesting a clarification of
the hours.
Comm. Peirce questioned whether it is the intent to leave Condition 4(b) in the resolution
(related to the sound study), to which the maker of the motion replied in the affirmative.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Ketz, Rue, Chmn. Ingell
Comms. Aleks, Peirce
None
None
Chmn. Ingell announced that this decision of the Planning Commission may be appealed by
writing to the City Council within ten days.
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CUP 90-5 -CONDmONAL USE PERMIT FOR OFF-SALE GENERAL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
AND NEGATIVE DECLARATION AT 1031 HERMOSA AVENUE. GOLDEN LION LIQUOR
(CONTINUED FROM MEETINGS OF JUNE 5, SEPTEMBER 4, AND SEPTEMBER 18. 1990)
Mr. Schubach gave staff report dated September 12, 1990. Staff recommended approval of this
request, subject to the conditions specified in the proposed resolution.
This request was continued by the Planning Commission based upon the advise of the City
Attorney. This was because of the need to assess the impact of a recent court decision which
appeared to significantly limit municipal authority to regulate alcohol establishments.
The applicant has responded to previously noted concerns by staff regarding the exterior
appearance of the site and has enclosed the trash dumpster, provided bumper blocks, and
restriped the parking stalls. However, rather than using the planter areas for landscaping,
they have been paved over, which has eliminated the weeds, but they have failed to take
advantage of existing planter areas to improve the appearance. Also. the parking lot has been
rest.riped with double-sided angled parking, resulting in an increase of parking spaces to 23.
However, the parking stall sizes do not appear to meet the dimensional requirements of the
zoning ordinance. As such, staff is recommending conditions that landscaping be provided
along Hermosa Avenue and that a landscape plan and parking layout be submitted for review
and approval by the Planning Director.
Since this is an existing establishment, is located in the commercial area of Pier Avenue, and
the business owner has shown good faith to resolve some of staffs concerns, staff felt that the
sale of liquor should be allowed to continue, subject to the conditions specified in the proposed
resolution.
In regard to controlling the sale of single containers or controlling the hours of operation, staff
has eliminated those conditions to be consistent with the superior court decision to set aside
such conditions for a liquor store in Los Angeles.
Mr. Schubach continued and stated that stafT recently discovered that Golden Lion does rent
out its parking spaces to the Comedy and Magic Club during the evening hours. Also, staff is
aware of plans to construct a 26-unit motel on this property. Plans have been prepared for such
a project: however, they have not yet been submitted to the City.
Comm. Peirce discussed the landscaping and questioned how this business could be encouraged
to add planting materials, other than through the CUP process.
Mr. Schubach stated that without a CUP, the City would not be able to require landscaping. He
said that commercially-zoned areas require landscaping only when it is necessary as a buffer
between commercial and residential uses. He noted. however, that the upcoming land use
element will address this issue in more detail.
Mr. Schubach, in response to a question from Comm. Rue regarding the parking requirements,
stated that one parking space is required for each 250 square feet of gross floor area. He
commented on the parking depicted on the plans. stating that the required parking was based
on the original plans.
Comm. Peirce noted that the blueprint seems to depict only one building, and he asked for the
total building size. He and Mr. Schubach continued by discussing the submitted plans. It was
determined that the total size is approximately 1125 square feet. and five parking spaces would
be necessary.
Comm. Peirce discussed the five parking spaces and questioned whether the code prohibits the
applicant from renting out the other spaces. to which Mr. Schubach explained that with a
parking plan, spaces can be rented out.
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Chmn. Ingell was under the impression that the spaces could be rented out without a parking
plan, to which Mr. Schubach replied that he could study the issue further and return with an
answer. He did not, however, think that rental of parking spaces was something in the
pennitted use list.
Public Hearing opened at 8:08 P.M. by Chmn. Ingell.
Mr. Schubach, in response to a question from Chmn. Ingell, explained that the applicant was
sent a notice indicating that this hearing would take place: however, he did not hear from the
applicant, who was not present at the public hearing.
Public Hearing closed at 8:29 P.M. by Chmn. Ingell.
Comm. Peirce asked whether staff has had any discussions with the applicant regarding the
landscape planter in the front of the business which was paved over, to which Mr. Schubach
replied that the applicant was informed that that should not have happened; however, the
applicant had no comment on the issue.
Comm. Rue noted concern that the applicant did not appear at the hearing, to which Mr.
Schubach replied that staff had received no word from the applicant regarding his absence.
Chmn. Ingell noted that an applicant is not required to attend a public hearing.
Comm. Peirce stated that he would not vote for approval of this project unless the applicant
complies with the requirement related to the landscape planter (Condition No. 12).
Chmn. Ingell agreed: however. he felt that it would be appropriate to approve the CUP and
require that the planter be installed. Without approving the CUP, the Commission actually
has "no teeth" for enforcement.
Mr. Lee stated that this CUP cannot be denied unless there is a rational basis, such as a negative
impact which cannot be mitigated. He suggested that the Commission approve the CUP and
enforce the conditions imposed, such as that related to the landscape planer (Condition No. 12).
Comm. Peirce noted that this issue arose last time this matter was heard, and yet nothing has
been done by the applicant to comply, and the area has actually been paved over. He did not feel
that good faith was shown on the part of the applicant.
Mr. Schubach explained that the applicant was informed of the City's concerns related to the
planter; however, the area was paved over with concrete.
Comm. Aleks agreed that it would be appropriate to approve the CUP and require compliance
with the conditions in the CUP (including the condition related to landscaping).
Comm. Peirce referred to the Planning Commission minutes of June 5, 1990, wherein the
applicant, Mr. Bader, stated that the landlord had informed him that the landscaping would
soon be improved. He noted concern that the City's track record is not very good in enforcing
these kinds of conditions. He felt that unless the landscaping ls required before the CUP is
approved, the landscaping will never be installed.
Mr. Lee cautioned, however, that there is no current violation of any City ordinance. He
suggested that the CUP be approved with the landscape condition. The CUP could then be
reviewed, and if the condition is not complied with, action could be taken at that time. He
explained that this is an existing use. and arbitrary conditions cannot be imposed which would
cause the business to cease operation.
MOTION by Comm. Peirce. seconded by Chmn. Ingell, to approve Resolution 90-46, with the
addition of a condition that this conditional use pennit be reviewed for compliance at the first
meeting in January of 1991.
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Comm. Rue noted that in the past the Commission had discussed the possibility of requiring
businesses to use clear plastic bags for alcoholic beverage purchases. He stated that he would
not want to see these bags create a trash problem in the area, and he suggested that the other
Commissioners might want to discuss this issue; however, no discussion ensued on this topic.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comrns. Aleks, Ketz, Peirce, Rue. Chmn. Ingell
None
None
None
Chmn. Ingell announced that this decision of the Planning Commission may be appealed by
writing to the City Council within ten days.
CUP 90-9 --CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BEER AND WINE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A
RESTAURANT AND ADOPTION OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION AT 1605
PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY. MRS, GARCIA'S
Mr. Schubach gave staff report dated September 2 7, 1990. Staff recommended approval of the
requested conditional use permit, subject to the conditions specified in the proposed
resolution.
This project is located In S.P.A. 8, with a general plan designation of commercial corridor. The
building size ls 1150 square feet. and its current use is as a restaurant.
Mrs. Garcia's is located within the Hermosa Pavilion on the second level. the same level as the
theaters. The parking requirements for the entire Pavilion are subject to a parking plan. This
space was originally identified for restaurant purposes.
At their meeting of August 9, 1990, the staff environmental review committee recommended an
environmental negative declaration.
The requested CUP would authorize the sale of beer and wine for consumption on the premises,
subject to the standard conditions of the zoning ordinance. The applicant has also applied to
the State Alcoholic Beverage Control Department for a Type 41 license.
Staff had no concerns related to the existing appearance or operation of the business that
would necessitate any further conditions other than the standard conditions required for thiS
type of CUP. Those conditions would include the restriction that at least 65 percent of the gross
sales must be from prepared foods.
The business is contained inside the existing mall, and the applicant has indicated that the
hours will be from 11:00 A.M. until the mall closes. The applicant's letter indicates the closing
time for the mall to be about 9:00 P.M., but it 1s actually much later. The applicant's
application to the A.B.C. requests hours from 10:30 A.M. to 11:00 P.M.
The applicant's letter also indicates that the A.B.C. license would be conditioned to limit beer
and wine sales to 10 percent total volume of sales. Staff has contacted the A.B.C. and that is not
a true statement. The standard condition from the A.B.C. is a maximum 50 percent of sales
volume, and the most restrictive condition they would apply would be a 30 percent limit. If the
City applies its standard 35 percent limit, the A.B.C. would also consider the same restriction
on their license.
Staff recommended approval of the request because this area, unlike the downtown area. is not
considered to be heavily impacted by a saturation of alcohol establishments. Also, the
primary function of the business would be as a restaurant. Additionally, the mall maintains
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its own security patrol during its operating hours, meaning that additional police patrol
should not be necessary.
Staff noted that this business also has its own enclosed parking area, and that also differs
from the heavily impacted downtown area.
Mr. Schubach, in response to a question from Chmn. Ingell, stated that a Type 41 license
allows only beer and wine.
Mr. Schubach, in response to another question from Chmn. Ingell, stated that the police have
expressed no concerns over this request because this business is not located in the heavily
impacted downtown area.
Mr. Schubach, in response to questions from Comm. Rue related to A.B.C restrictions and the
service of beer and/or wine only, stated that it is not legal to impose conditions requiring that
food be purchased along with beer/wine. He continued by explaining, however, that the
conditional use permit is actually more restrictive than the A.B.C license.
Comm. Aleks asked which body would prevail in regard to restrictions on percentages of
alcohol sales; i.e., if the A.B.C allowed 50 percent of the sales to be alcohol, and the City allowed
only 35 percent, who would be the final authority. Mr. Schubach replied that the City's CUP
restrictions would prevail.
Chmn. Ingell discussed the small, attached patio and noted that the plans do not depict such an
area.
Mr. Schubach stated that there is such an area, and staff's only concern related to that area is
that the business not exceed the allowed seating capacity. He said that the management is
responsible for monitoring the outdoor seating capacity.
Chnm. Ingell questioned how the Commission can determine whether or not the outdoor area
is appropriate for service of beer and wine If no plans are provided for study.
Mr. Schubach referred to the plans and indicated the location of the outdoor dining area.
Public Hearing opened at 8:25 P.M. by Chmn. Ingell.
David H. Lee, 1605 Pacific Coast Highway, Hermosa Beach (Hermosa Pavilion), applicant,
addressed the Commission and: (1) stated that the premises will be patrolled by its own
security force; (2) said that there is plenty of on-site parking; (3) explained that this particular
building is located somewhat apart from the rest of the complex around it; (4) stated that they
will comply with the requirements of the CUP; and (5) explained that this is a family-run
business.
Comm. Rue asked whether the applicant has a plan depicting the outdoor seating area, to which
Mr. David Lee replied that Dee Harris, the property manager of the Pavilion, has the plan.
Comm. Rue stated that it would be helpful for the Commission to see the layout before making
its decision on this request. He noted that in the past when alcohol has been allowed outdoors,
some type of enclosure has been required, such as a pipe railing, in order to prevent the passing
through of alcoholic beverages.
Mr. Schubach clarified that this outdoor dining area is on an upper level, and it is removed
from the street area.
Comm. Rue also noted that in the past when alcoholic beverages have been allowed outdoors, it
has been required that there be waitress service.
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Mr. David Lee explained that people will order at the counter and take their food to the table.
Once they are seated on the premises, a waitress will come to take drink orders. No one will
ever be permitted to take beer or wine from the counter to the tables on their own. If service is
approved for the outdoor area, they would also like to use the same method, whereby people
take their food outdoors. and once seated, a waitress would take drink orders and serve the
drinks at the table.
Comm. Rue asked if the applicant would accept a condition at this time which would allow the
service of beer and wine inside only, within the four walls of the restaurant, to which Mr. Lee
replied that he would have no objection to such a condition.
Mr. David Lee clarified that this upstairs area is designated for restaurant use. He was certain
that in the future other requests will come in for service of food and drink on the outside patio
area.
Jay Hambourger, 1229 E. Wilson Avenue, Suite 202, consultant for the Alcoholic Beverage
Control, addressed the Commission and: (1) said that a Type 41 license allows beer and wine
only; (2) said that Mrs. Garcia's total sales ratio is only 10 percent for alcohol to 90 percent for
food; (3) said that Mrs. Garcia's is a very secure, conscientious operation: (4) stated that there
have been no problems with this operation.
Comm. Rue stressed that he would like to see plans for the outside patio area. He suggested that
the matter be continued until later in the meeting so that the manager could go to get the plans.
Dee Harris, property manager of the Hermosa Pavilion, addressed the Commission and: (1)
said that a certain amount of space has been designated for use as restaurants; {2) explained
that some of the space has already been leased, however. construction of those restaurants has
not yet commenced, and it will be several months before they are finished; (3) did not therefore
feel that this applicant should have to wait several more months before proceeding.
Comm. Rue had no intention of delaying this project; he merely wanted to see a plan of the
outdoor dining area.
Ms. Harris continued and: (1) stated that she was led to believe by the City that the outdoor
patio area could be used for beer and wine service: (2) stated that there are adequate fire exits on
the patio area.
Comm. Rue said that the Planning Commission has the ultimate responsibility of determining
whether or not the outdoor patio area is adequate for the service of beer and wine.
Mr. Edward Lee asked what Comm. Rue's intentions are related to his request to view the
outdoor patio area plans. He cautioned that the City cannot preempt State law in relation to
service of alcoholic beverages.
Comm. Rue stated that his concern relates to the issue of alcohol being passed out to the pubic
right-of-way.
Chmn. Ingell stated that he would not be able to support the request for alcohol on the patio
until after he has seen plans for the outdoor patio area. He felt that if the applicant is
interested only in indoor service at this time, the matter can proceed at this time.
Mr. Hambourger addressed the Commission and stated that the applicant is requesting
permission to allow service in the indoor area only at this time.
Chmn. Ingell stated that indoor approval could be given at this time. If, at some future date the
applicant desires to serve beer and wine on the outdoor patio area, it would then be necessary
for him to return with a request for an amendment to the conditional use permit.
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Comm. Aleks asked who is responsible for monitoring the patio area, to which Mr.
Hambourger replied that that is left to the securtty of the mall.
Comm. Aleks asked whether the applicant himself would actually be able to regulate activity
on the patio area, to which Mr. Hambourger replied that the applicant would be responsible.
Comm. Aleks questioned how thiS applicant would be able to exercise such control. He felt that
it might be more approprtate to issue an overall CUP to the management of the complex, so that
they would hold the ultimate responsibility for controlling the patio area.
Carl Moore, 1100 Loma Diive, addressed the Commission and: (1) said that several restaurants
sending customers out onto a common patio area would lose control over their customers once
they reach the patio; (2) said that the loss of control would then amount to off-sale of liquor; (3)
questioned how the A.B.C would view this situation; (4) urged the Commission to study very
carefully any approval of patio service of alcoholic beverages.
Public Healing closed at 8:33 P .M. by Chmn. Ingell.
Comm. Peirce suggested that the Commission rule only on the interior portion of the
restaurant at this time. At a future date, the master lessee of the property could come before the
Commission for approval of the beer and wine service on the patio.
MOTION by Comm. Rue, seconded by Comm. Ketz, to approve staffs recommendation,
Resolution P.C. 90-84, with the following amendments: (1) that service of beer and wine shall
be within the intertor of this business only (within the actual four walls of the business); and
(2) if the applicant desires to sell beer and wine for consumption on the outdoor patio in the
future, he must come before the Commission for approval.
Chmn. Ingell favored inclusion of a condition specifying that beer and wine shall be waitress
served only; that no beer and wine shall be sold over the counter. He noted concern that
alcoholic beverages could be purchased and then passed to minors.
Mr. Edward Lee cautioned that imposition of such a condition would be entering territory
within the purview of the A.B. C. He therefore suggested that inclusion of such a condition
would not be appropriate. He continued by clarifying the regulation of the sale of alcoholic
beverages.
Comm. Rue asked whether it is adequate for the minutes to reflect that the applicant intends to
sell alcoholic beverages by waitress service only, to which Mr. Edward Lee replied that such a
statement would not be part of the conditional use permit and therefore would not be
enforceable. He again cautioned the Commission against imposing conditions related to issues
which are regulated by the A.B.C.
Chmn. Ingell noted concern over other establishments in the area that sell alcoholic beverages
for consumption outside and then control is lost.
Mr. Edward Lee asked whether Mrs. Garcia's is applying for an on-sale permit, to which Mr.
Hambourger replied in the affirmative.
Mr. Edward Lee explained, then, that if customers are removing beer and/or wine from the
premises, complaints to the A.B.C could result in revocation of the liquor license for this
business.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Aleks, Ketz. Peirce, Rue, Chmn. Ingell
None
None
None
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Chmn. Ingell announced that this decision of the Planning Commission may be appealed by
writing to the City Council within ten days.
CON 90-14 -CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP #22342 FOR A TWO-
UNIT CONDOMINIUM AT 655 6TH STREET
Mr. Schubach gave staff report dated September 25, 1990. Staff recommended that the
Planning Commission approve the conditional use permit for a two-unit condominium and
the tentative parcel map, subject to the conditions specified in the proposed resolution.
This project is located in the R-2 zone, with a general plan designation of medium density
residential. The lot size is 4325 square feet, and five parking spaces are provided. Open space
provided is 842 square feet in decks. The current use is as a single-family residence. The
environmental determination is categorically exempt.
Toe subject property is rectangular in shape and slopes gently downward toward the southeast.
The two proposed units contain 2251 and 2548 square feet and consist of two stories and roof
decks above a semi-subterranean garage. Each unit contains three bedrooms and two and a
half baths, and includes a garage-level utility room.
The proposed building elevations exhibit a stucco exterior, composition shingle roofing with
stucco trim and windows, and stucco "pop-outs" to give the building a contemporary
appearance. The overall design is almost identical to the project designed by the same
architect and approved for 612 10th Street.
The plans indicate a front yard setback of ten feet from 6th Street. This setback is consistent
with what was provided or required for five other recent projects on the street. Toe average
setback for 6th Street calculates to be about 15 feet.
Required parking is provided in two-car garages for each unit oriented toward the middle of the
lot. One guest space is provided. No on-street parking will be lost, as the proposed driveway
will replace the existing driveway.
Landscaping is proposed in the front, behind the guest space, and in a portion of the side yard.
Two 24-inch box palm trees are proposed for the front yard.
The project complies with all other planning and zoning requirements. Lot coverage is 55
percent. Adequate open space is provided in decks, including roof decks. and adequate storage
space is provided on the ground floor of each unit.
This type of project is consistent with the other recent projects on this block, and it is
consistent with the character of the surrounding R-2 area.
Comm. Aleks asked how tall the project is, to which Mr. Schubach replied that it is under 30
feet, and the final height will be verified during the structural plan check phase by the building
department.
Public Hearing opened at 8:50 P.M. by Chmn. Ingell.
Bob Vargo, representing the applicant, addressed the Commission and: (1) discussed the south
elevation, explaining that the height varies throughout the project: (2) said that the project is
not above 30 feet at any point; (3) ref erred to the resolution and noted the address in the first
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, needs to be corrected to reflect that the project is located
at 655 6th Street.
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Comm. Rue discussed the landscaping and asked what is being proposed for the east side, to
which Mr. Vargo stated that there will be sod.
Public Hearing closed at 8:54 P.M. by Chmn. Ingell.
MOTION by Comm. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Ketz, to approve stafrs recommendation,
Resolution P.C. 90-82, with the correction to the first NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, as
indicated by the applicant (changing the address to 655 6th Street).
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Aleks, Ketz, Peirce, Rue, Chmn. Ingell
None
None
None
Chmn. Ingell announced that this decision of the Planning Commission may be appealed by
writing to the City Council within ten days.
TEXT 90-8 --TEXT AMENDMENT TO ADD "MOTORCYCLE SALES" AND "MOTORCYCLE
PARTS SALES" OR TO ELIMINATE "MOTORCYCLE REPAIR" ON THE COMMERCIAL
PERMIT1ED USE LIST AND ADOPTION OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION
Mr. Schubach gave staff report dated September 25, 1990. Staff recommended that the
Planning Commission recommend that "motorcycle sales, new and used" and "motorcycle
parts and accessories (new) retail sales" be added to the permitted use list for the C-3 zone,
subject to a conditional use permit. by adoption of the proposed resolution.
Mr. Schubach also suggested an alternative: to recommend that "motorcycle repair business;
conditional use permit required subject to Article 10" be eliminated from the permitted use list.
At the August 21, 1990, meeting, the Planning Commission voted not to interpret motorcycle
sales and parts sales within the category of automobile sales and parts sales and instead
recommended that motorcycle sales and sales of motorcycle parts be considered for addition to
the permitted use list as a text amendment or to eliminate motorcycle repair from the list.
In addition to automobile sales, boat and truck sales are permitted in the C-3 zone, subject to a
CUP. Since these types of motor vehicles are permitted to be sold. staff felt it would be
inconsistent to exclude motorcycle sales as a potential use in the C-3 zone. The only
distinguishing feature of motorcycles in regard to their impact on surrounding land uses as
compared to these other vehicles is, perhaps. the possible noise impact.
Motorcycles, in some cases, are indeed noisy vehicles. but so are some sports cars and some
trucks. Which ts noisier depends upon the Individual vehicle, how it is driven, and how it ts
equipped. Although the City's noise ordinance addresses noise from private property by
establishing decibel lJmits as heard from adjacent properties, the ordinance addresses vehicles
in the public right-of-way in this manner: "Motor vehicle noise limits on a public right-of-way
are regulated by the California Vehicle Code, Section 23130 and 23130.5 Equipment violations
which create noiSe problems are regulated by Sections 27150 and 27151 of the same code."
Estimation of noise levels generated from and caused by any proposed business, based on its
characteristics, proximity to residential areas, and other similar uses would be carefully
considered and addressed, when possible, on a case-by-case basis during the CUP review. At
that time, the appropriate conditions could be placed on a proposed establishment to mitigate
any noise or other concerns: or if they were found to be non-mlUgable, the project may be
denied.
Although limited commercial areas exist in the City that are appropriate for any time of
vehicle sales, parts sales, and repair, some potential sites do exist if the proper controls are
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enforced. Also, several locations are currently being used for these purposes. As such, tt would
not seem appropriate. or fair, to exclude this possible business activity from the City unless all
motor vehicle sales and repair uses were excluded. Elimination of all motor vehicle businesses
would seem unreasonable, given that there are already several businesses in the City involved
in some kind of motor vehicle sales, vehicle parts sales, or vehicle repair.
Mr. Schubach concluded by noting that staff had conducted a survey of adjacent cities in regard
to the way they treat motorcycle businesses in their zoning ordinances, and he continued by
outlining the results of the study.
Public Hearing opened at 8:59 P.M. by Chmn. Ingell.
Jack Wood, 200 Pier Avenue, Hermosa Beach, addressed the Commission and: (1) stated that
this issue probably would not have arisen if the applicants had not requested a permit for a
motorcycle repair shop on the highway: (2) said that parts are all very closely related, whether
they are for motorcycles or other motor vehicles; (3) ref erred to the hearings held on the
motorcycle shop, stating that emotions seemed to predominate, rather than concrete evidence:
(4) said that the main issue seems to be that of noiSe; (5) disagreed that approval of such a use
would create additional traffic: (6) stated that there is much hysteria when it comes to
motorcycles: (7) said that the success of such a business rests on adequate enforcement by the
City: (8) said that there is a constitutional right to operate such a business: (9) said that the
location of such a business is the only item which can be limited by the City.
Dave Reimer, 802 Monterey Boulevard, addressed the Commission and: (1) favored approval,
stating that he would like to see his friends able to operate in the City: (2) noted that
surrounding cities do not have separate categories for motorcycles and motor vehicles.
Clayton Sehring, 1914 Havemeyer Lane, Redondo Beach, addressed the Commission and: (1)
favored approval of the text amendment: (2) felt that motorcycle sales, parts sales, and repairs
are all tied together: therefore, it makes sense to approve this amendment.
William Campbell, 640 Pacific Coast Highway, Hermosa Beach, addressed the Commission
and: ( 1) discussed his intentions related to his business: (2) asked for approval of this
amendment, so that he can do motorcycle repairs.
Nellie Stroll, 824 7th Street, Hermosa Beach, addressed the Commission and: (1) said that the
issue of motorcycle sales and parts has now arisen: (2) felt that the citizens who opposed the
motorcycle shop would also oppose this text amendment.
Carl Moore, 1100 Loma Drive, Hermosa Beach, addressed the Commission and: (1) said that
this text amendment relates to whether motorcycle repairs and sales will be allowed in the C-3
zone, which he felt is reasonable: (2) favored approval of the proposed text amendment to allow
motorcycle sales and repairs.
Public Hearing closed at 9: 12 P.M. by Chmn. Ingell.
Comm. Rue could see no reason not to allow motorcycle sales and parts sales, so long as a
conditional use permit is required. He continued by asking questions related to Mr. Campbell's
business and asked whether he would be required to appear again before the Commission and
to pay additional fees.
Mr. Schubach stated that it would be necessary for Mr. Campbell to apply for a CUP once this
item is added to the permitted use llst. He said that it might be possible to waive additional fees
for thiS applicant, but he would need to check into that matter. He continued by explaining the
steps which the applicant will need to follow.
Comm. Ketz could not favor approval of this text amendment, explaining that Hermosa Beach
is a very small city with very small lots. She did not feel there are adequate mitigation
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measures for businesses of this type. She noted that the uses which elicit the most complaints
in the city are auto dealers and bars. She did not feel that such a use would enhance the city,
especially since this city does not have the appropriate acreage for this use.
Comm. Rue felt that applicants should at least have an opportunity to propose such a use. If
there are mitigation measures, the City has an obligation to allow the use; if there are not
adequate mitigation measures, the conditional use permit can be denied.
Comm. Aleks felt that there is a distinct difference between motorcycle sales and parts sales
and repairs. He noted that the revving of engines during repairs can be quite noisy. He
therefore could not support approval of such a use in a city where the commercial areas are so
close to residential.
Comm. Peirce said that he would support approval of the text amendment, based on the fact
that he feels there are appropriate areas in the C-3 zone which would be appropriate for
motorcycle repairs and parts sales. He clarified, however, that he is voting to approve only the
text amendment, not any specific project. He said that approval of specific projects must be
based on adequate mitigation measures.
Chmn. Ingell stated that he would support approval of this text amendment, noting, however,
that each individual use would need to be addressed on a case-by-case basis.
MOTION by Comm. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Rue, to approve staffs recommendation,
Resolution P.C. 90-81, as written.
Mr. Schubach explained, for the benefit of the new commissioner, the rationale behind this
text amendment.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Peirce, Rue, Chmn .Ingell
Comms. Aleks, Ketz
None
None
Chmn. Ingell announced that this decision of the Planning Commission may be appealed by
writing to the City Council within ten days.
SS 90..fi -1EXT .AMENDMENT REGARDING NONCONFORMING SIDEYARD EXCEPTION AND
ADOPTION OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION
Mr. Schubach gave staff report dated September 27, 1990. Staff recommended that the
Planning Commission recommend amendment of Section 13-7(c)(3.) to give the Planning
Commission authority to allow expansion of existing walls with nonconforming sideyards of
at least three feet when deemed a minor extension and is consistent with the neighborhood.
At the August 7, 1990, meeting, the Planning Commission initiated this study by adopting a
resolution of intent (Resolution P.C. 90-76).
This issue arose at the July 17, 1990, meeting, when the Planning Commission considered a
request to grant an exception to continue an existing nonconforming sideyard (3.21 feet rather
than 4.5 feet) for a second-story addition. Based on Section 13-7(c)(3), the Planning
Commission was not able to grant this request because less than 75 percent of sideyards on the
same block have similar nonconforming side yards. Although the Planning Commission
denied the request, it was expressed that perhaps the ordinance was too restrictive, especially
since the expansion involved a wall length along the sideyard of only 22 feet.
Selected sections of 13-7(c) read as follows:
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"(2) Existing structures which are nonconforming as to yards. lot coverage, open space or height
may be expanded or enlarged provided the expansion or enlargement complies with the
regulations of the zone in which the structure is located. Existing nonconforming sideyards
may be maintained with an addition provided the sideyard is not more than ten percent
smaller than the current stdeyard required.
"(3) "Where existing walls are a minimum of, or more than three feet from the side property line,
the wall may be expanded if at least 75 percent of the block as defined by the zoning ordinance
has the same or smaller nonconforming stdeyards (excluding commercial and manufacturing
uses). Measurement of sideyards shall be approximately by use of aerial photos and field
inspections. Fees for such requests shall be set by the City Council."
The exception of (B) was included in the revision to Article 13 to allow approval of the
expansion or extension of a wall with a nonconforming sideyard, when such nonconformity is
clearly a common situation on the same block. The 75 percent rule was chosen to establish a
minimum criteria. The merits of the particular proposal, such as the scale of the expansion
and other project characteristics, could also be considered by the Planning Commission to
allow such an extension.
In the case mentioned, it was calculated that only about 71 percent of the dwellings on the same
block had similar or smaller nonconforming sideyards. Therefore, pursuant to the ordinance
the only choice was denial of the request. even though it only involved the extension of a 22-
foot wide portion of the house for a second-story addition.
Staff is proposing the addition of a statement to Section 1307(c)(3) that allows the Planning
Commission to also consider requests for extensions of walls with nonconforming sideyards,
if it is generally consistent with a majority of existing sideyards in the neighborhood.
Public Hearing opened at 9:25 P.M. by Chmn. Ingell.
Bernard Kersulis, 1781 Valley Park Avenue, Hermosa Beach, addressed the Commission and
stated that his project was the one which gave rise to this issue. He felt that this amendment
would allow the Commission to operate within the spirit that was intended.
Public Hearing closed at 9:26 P.M. by Chmn. Ingell.
Comm. Ketz felt that this is a necessary amendment, and she favored approval.
Mr. Lee suggested several changes 1n the wording of the proposed amendment: Wording under
"Amend Section 13-7(c)(3) by adding the following underlined text:" shall be changed as
follows: " .... or the wall may be expanded if the Planning Commission determines that the
expansion within the otherwise code required setback is minor and necessary for the logical
extension of a wall and that the nonconforming sideyard is generally consistent with the
majority of extstlnl side yards in the ''block" as defined by the code .... "
MOTION by Comm. Rue, seconded by Comm. Ketz, to approve Resolution P .C. 90-83, with the
amendments as suggested by the City Attorney.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Aleks, Ketz, Rue, Chmn. Ingell
Comm. Peirce
None
None
Comm. Peirce explained that he voted against the motion, stating that if the City is to be
upgraded, existing sideyard nonconformities should not be allowed to continue.
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FOURTH QUAR1ER GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENTS
Mr. Schubach explained that staff had no recommendations at this time for fourth quarter
general plan amendments. He said that this would be the appropriate time to initiate any
proposed amendments, if so desired by the Planning Commission.
The Commissioners offered no recommendations for fourth quarter general plan
amendments.
STAFF ITEMS
a) Conespondence from Mr. Jack Wood
Mr. Lee advised that the appropriate time to discuss the issue cited in the letter would be during
a public hearing.
No action taken.
b) Correspondence from Mr. Rod Merl
Comm. Peirce asked for clarification on the area discussed by Mr. Merl in his letter, to which
Mr. Schubach responded, and he continued by discussing the proposal. He explained that this
letter is actually within the pmview of the public works department, and the Planning
Commission received copies.
No action taken.
c) Pl.annlne Department Activity Report for Autust 1990
Comm. Rue asked about CUP enforcement, and noted that many thank-you letters have been
received.
Mr. Schubach stated that many CUPs are now in compliance.
dJ Memorandum ReOrd,fnf Planninf Commission Liaison for October 9. 1990, Meettna
No one will attend as liaison.
e) Tentative Future Plannln, Commission A4enda
Comm. Rue and Chmn. Ingell both stated that they would be absent from the next Planning
Commission meeting.
f) City Council Minutes of September 10 and 11, 1990
No action taken.
COMMISSIONER I1EMS
Comm. Peirce discussed the rapid transit issue and stated that he would like additional
information related to where people in the area are going outside of the five-mile radius. He
felt it is important to go ahead with the transportation plan; however, he requested that staff
provide more input related to where people are traveling. He felt that many people are going to
similar destinations outside the five-to ten-mile radius. He felt that arrangements could be
worked out with either MAXX or RrD in regard to getting people where they want to go.
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Mr. Schubach stated that he could return with additional information on this matter. He
stated that one possibility is to hire a consultant. Comm. Peirce suggested that students be used
to gather data.
Comm. Peirce and the other Commissioners discussed various methods by which more
information could be obtained, such as man-in-the-street inteiviews, surveys taken at local
grocery stores, and questionnaires in the local newspaper.
Recess taken from 9:43 P.M. until 9:45 P.M. for the purpose of reviewing the Planning
Commission minutes of September 18, 1990.
Chmn. Ingell stated that there are many inaccuracies in the minutes prepared by the substitute
secretary, and he did not favor approval at this time.
Mr. Schubach suggested that the Commissioners review and approve only that portion of the
minutes related to the housing element, explaining that that issue is to go before the City
Council at their next meeting.
Comm. Rue made several corrections to the minutes, which were noted by sta:II. He also stated
that the Commissions' intent was to encourage cohesiveness in neighborhoods.
MOTION by Comm. Ketz, seconded by Comm. Rue, to approve only the housing element portion
of the Planning Commission minutes of September 18, 1990, as amended.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Ketz, Peirce, Rue, Chmn. Ingell
None
Comm. Aleks
None
Comm. Aleks stated that he was happy to be on the Planning Commission and said that he is
looking forward to working with the other members.
MOTION by Comm. Ketz, seconded by Comm. Rue, to adjourn at 9:47 P.M. No objections; so
ordered.
CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are a true and complete record of the action
taken by the Planning Commission of Hermosa Beach at the regularly scheduled
meeting of October 2, 1990.
Date
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