HomeMy WebLinkAboutPC_Minutes_1990_11_20MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF THE CITY OF HERMOSA BEACH
HELD ON NOVEMBER 20, 1990, AT 7:00 P.M. IN 1BE CI'IY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Meeting called to order at 7:02 P.M. byChmn. Ketz.
Pledge of .Allegiance led by Comm. Aleks.
Chmn. Ketz introduced and welcomed the new commissioner, Robert Marks.
ROILCAIL
Present:
Absent:
Also Present:
Comms. Aleks, Marks, Peirce, Rue, Chmn. Ketz
None
Michael Schubach, Planning Director; Edward Lee, Assistant City
Attorney; Sally White, Recording Secretary
CONSENT CALENDAR
MOTION by Comm. Rue, seconded by Comm. Peirce, to approve as submitted the minutes of
September 18, 1990. Noting the abstentions of Comms. Aleks and Marks, no objections; so
ordered.
MOTION by Comm. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Rue, to approve as submitted the minutes of
November 6, 1990. Noting the abstention of Comm. Marks, no objections; so ordered.
MOTION by Comm. Rue, seconded by Comm. Aleks, to approve the following resolutions:
Resolution P.C. 90-88, A RESOLUTION OF TIIE PLANNING COMMISSION OF TIIE Cl1Y OF
HERMOSA BEACH, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, TENTATIVE
TRACT MAP #22653, AND A PRECISE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A FOUR-UNIT
CONDOMINIUM AT 817-823 MONTEREY BOULEVARD, LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOTS 16, 16,
AND 17, BLOCK A, 1RACTNO. 860;
Resolution P.C. 90-94, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF TIIE CI'IY OF
HERMOSA BEACH, CALIFORNIA, DENYING A REQUESTED AMENDMENT TO A
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP #21787 FOR A 1WO-UNIT
CONDOMINIUM TO ELIMINATE CONDITION 12(A), AT 952 EIGHTII STREET, LEGALLY
DESCRIBED AS LOTS 1 AND 2, WILSON AND LIND'S mACT;
Resolution P.C. 90-95, A RESOLUTION OF TIIE PLANNING COMMISSION OF TIIE Cl'IY OF
HERMOSA BEACH, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE FOR A LOT
LINE ADJUSTMENT AT 1712 TIIE S1RAND BE1WEEN LOTS 1, 2, AND TIIE SOUTIIEAST 20
FEET OF LOT 3, BLOCK 18, HERMOSA BEACH 1RACT.
Noting the abstention of Comm. Marks, and there being no objection to approval of the above
resolutions, so ordered.
Chmn. Ketz pulled for discussiorl Resolution P.C. 90-93, Condition No. 17: "Individual
containers of alcohol shall be packaged in clear bags or containers to make the contents of the
container visible." She asked whether that condition should have been included.
Mr. Schubach stated that that condition is included as recommended by the Commission. He
continued by explaining that the item which was not allowed was a condition prohibiting
single-container sales of alcoholic beverages.
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Mr. Schubach, in response to Chmn. Ketz's questions related to Condition No. 19 ("The police
chief may determine that a continuing police problem exists and may require the presence of a
police approved doorman and/ or security personnel paid by the business."). explained that that
is a standard condition for any establishment selling alcoholic beverages, including grocery
stores.
Comm. Rue discussed Condition No. 15: "The use of the residential portion of the subject
property including the garage areas and storage rooms, and/ or closets in connection with the
business for storage, shall revert back to use for residential parking and storage when this
business changes." He questioned that particular wording and asked questions related to the
currently existing storage area. He then suggested wording to clarify the condition.
Discussion ensued related to when the storage space should revert back to parking.
Mr. Lee recommended that the wording in Condition No. 15 be replaced with the following:
"The existing use of the garage area within the residential portion of the subject property in
connection with the existing business shall revert back to use for residential parking and
storage when there is a substantial alteration, modification. or termination of the existing
use."
Mr. Lee, in response to questions from Comm. Aleks, explained what would constitute a
"substantial" change in use.
MOTION by Comm. Rue, seconded by Comm. Aleks, to approve Resolution P.C. 90-93, with the
Mr. Lee's recommendation to replace the wording in Condition No. 15 as stated above. No
objections; so ordered.
COMMUNICATIONS FROM TIIE PUBLIC
No one appeared to address the Commission.
F-4 -ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FOR FARMER'S MARKET AT HERMOSA AVENUE
AND 13TB STREET ON PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY AND ADOPTION OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL
NEGATIVE DECLARATION
Mr. Schubach recommended that this matter be continued to the meeting of December 4, 1990,
so that the Public Works Department will have additional time to complete the traffic study.
Chmn. Ketz stated that no one in the audience came forward to speak on this issue.
MOTION by Comm. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Rue, to approve staffs recommendation to
continue this item to the meeting of December 4, 1990.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Aleks. Marks, Peirce, Rue, Cbmn. Ketz
None
None
None
CUP 90-23 -CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT TO EXTEND PATIO DINING HOURS
TIT.I, DARK AT 200 LONGFEI,T.QW AVENUE, LA PENITA #2 (CONTINUED FROM MEETING OF
<>C10Jir.;K 16. 199Ql
Mr. Schubach recommended that this item be continued, explaining that proper noticing was
not accomplished because the notices were not mailed out in time.
Comm. Aleks asked whether this item would need to be renoticed.
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Mr. Lee explained that the item can be continued to a date certain without having to renotice;
however, it can be published in the newspaper so that people are aware of the new hearing date.
Mary Orozco, 200 Longfellow, Hermosa Beach, applicant, addressed the Commission and asked
questions related to whether or not this item needs to be renoticed. She said that a notice is not
posted on the property at this time, explaining that she received nothing from the City to post.
Mr. Lee suggested that this entire matter be renoticed in compliance with applicable
requirements. He recommended that a notice be mailed, the item be republished in the
newspaper, and a sign be posted at the property itself.
Mr. Schubach and the Commissioners discussed the date to which this item should be
continued.
Ms. Orozco stated that she has no objection to a continuance to the first meeting in January,
noting that the request relates to summertime hours.
Chmn. Ketz stated that this item would be continued to the meeting of Wednesday, January 2,
1991. She advised the applicant to call the Planning Department for instructions related to the
proper noticing.
CON 90-16 -CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND VESTING TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP #22634
FOR A 1WO-UNIT CONDOMINIUM AT 138:142 MANHATIAN AVENUE
CON 90-17 -CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND VESTING TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP #22635
FOR A 1WO-UNIT CONDOMINIUM AT 144-148 MANHATIAN AVENUE
CON 90-18 -CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND VESTING TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP #22636
FOR A 1WO-UNIT CONDOMINIUM AT 150-154 MANHATIAN AVENUE
CON 90-19 -CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND VESTING TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP #22637
FOR A 'IWQ-UNIT CONDOMINIUM AT 158:160 MANHATTAN AVENUE
(FOUR ABOVE BEARINGS CQNTJNUED FROM MEE'IING OF NOVEMBER 6, 19901
Mr. Schubach gave staff report dated October 29, 1990, and recommended that the Planning
Commission continue this request to the meeting of December 4, 1990, so that the applicant
can consider revising the design to integrate the four proposed projects into one cohesive
design which would improve the project is several ways: provide alley-only access; provide
adequate common recreation space to meet the requirements for projects of five units or more;
and to attach the units in clusters of two or four units to maximize the usable open space.
Mr. Schubach suggested an alternative recommendation to approve the proposed design by
approving the CUPs and tentative parcel maps, subject to the conditions specified in the
proposed resolutions, which also include a condition specifying that the existing palm trees be
retained on site.
Mr. Schubach, noting that there is a new Commissioner, stated that Commissioner Marks has
read all of the minutes related to this project and is therefore able to participate in the
discussion and voting of this item.
Public Hearing opened at 7:30 P.M. by Chmn. Ketz.
Jerry Olguin, 2306 Pacific Coast Highway, applicant, addressed the Commission and: (1) for
the benefit of the new commissioner, gave background on his experience in the area and other
projects he has designed; (2) said that he is aware of the parking problems in the area, and this
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was taken into account when this project was designed; (3) discussed the 17-foot setback
requirement; (4) said that this project will provide ample parking; (5) said that even though
City requirements allow a nine-foot setback on an alley, he decided against that so that more
parking could be provided.
Mr. Olguin continued and: (1) said that the parking has been integrated into the overall project:
(2) noted that. even though the units could have been built larger, he elected to keep them
smaller, in conformance with the surrounding area: (3) discussed the fact that parking meters
were installed in front of this property which resulted in additional problems for this project;
(4) explained that only one on-street parking space will be lost as a result of this project; (5) said
that the trees on site will be preserved.
Mr. Olguin went on and: (1) discussed access from Bayview: (2) commented on the suggestion of
using subterranean parking, explaining that such parking would not be feasible; (3) for the
benefit of the new commissioner, discussed the plans and parking layout of the proposed
project; {4) explained that each of the four building facades will be different in an effort to avoid
a "cookie-cutter" appearance: (5) explained that the parking and access will be fifty-fifty, half
from Manhattan Avenue and half from Bayview; (6) felt that the design elements of this project
will be an asset to the community.
Mr. Olguin went on and: (1) discussed the plot plan as related to the parking and driveways: (2)
explained the layout of the units; (3) commented that he is aware of the impacts in the area, and
these concerns were taken into account when the project was designed; (4) pointed out on the
plans the difficulties which would be encountered with subterranean parking because of the
seven-foot drop-off on the lot; (5) stated that a subterranean garage would require a gate, which
would create problems for guest parking; (6) noted that there are also security problems with
subterranean parking; (7) said that such parking would be very expensive to build and to
landscape.
Mr. Olguin continued and: (1) said that the proposed project will create more of a single-family
feeling; (2) stated that the bulk of a combined project as recommended by staff is not desirable:
(3) noted that during his meetings with staff on this project, no mention was ever made that he
would have to integrate these four separate lots into one project; (4) stated that another project
in this vicinity was approved as submitted, with no requirement that they be integrated; (5)
stressed that his concept is better suited for the area than one integrated project would be.
Mr. Olguin went on and: (1) said that the units will be owner-occupied; (2) felt that a
consolidated project would be conducive to renters, which is not desirable for the City; (3)
stated that people will use their garages for parking as intended; (4) commented on the letter he
sent to the Commission dated November 15, 1990; (5) in response to questions from Comm.
Marks. explained how they arrived at the cost of subterranean parking for this project
($400,000) and what would be involved: (6) reminded the Commissioners of the goals of the
City, stating that home ownership is something to be desired.
Glenn Tanner, 170 Manhattan Avenue, Hermosa Beach, addressed the Commission and: (1)
spoke on behalf of the Coral Terrace Homeowners Association; (2) reiterated the points be
made at the last public hearing on this matter: (3) said that eight more units would greatly
impact Bayview Drive, therefore, the association objects to access from Bayview; {4) said that
they also opposed one integrated project, feeling that it would look like an apartment building
with subterranean parking; (5) said that a precedent has already been set at 128 Manhattan
Avenue by approval of that project which has half of its access off of Bayview: (6) said that this
project does not fit in with the City's vision: (7) displayed photos depicting the surrounding
area of the proposed project; (8) favored a project which will have the least impact on Bayview.
Mr. Schubach explained that staff never said a subterranean garage would be required; that
was merely one possibility which was suggested as an alternative. He continued by explaining
why the other project was approved with access from both Bayview and Manhattan Avenue,
noting that there were different circumstances related to that project.
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Ron Riggs, 143 Manhattan Avenue, addressed the Commission and: (1) said that he owns Lot
No. 4 which has been discussed, and he continued by explaining why the access was done as it
was; (2) noted that the proposed project consists of four separate lots; (3) said that he supports
the project as submitted; (4) felt that the project will benefit the neighborhood; (5) said that 28
households in the area support this project as proposed and they do not want all access on
Bayview; (6) felt that single-family residences are much more desirable in the City than an
apartment-like structure; (7) commented on the problems associated with subterranean
garages and the fact that people do not like them; (8) read a definition of "alleys"; (9) urged the
Commission to approve the project as submitted.
June WiJ1iams, Manhattan Avenue, addressed the Commission and: (1) stated that Bayview is
very congested now, especially because people park there illegally; (2) supported the project as
submitted: (3) said that the project could not be any better; (4) stressed that people do not like to
use subterranean parking garages.
Jim Shirk, 446 Monterey Boulevard, addressed the Commission and: (1) described the many
problems associated with subterranean parking; (2) commented on open space in condo
projects, stating that it is not useful and it creates many problems: (3) said that it is desirable to
have owner/ occupied units, not renters, which are undesirable; (4) said that an integrated
project as recommended by staff would not be good for the neighborhood.
Mr. Olguin, in response to questions from Comm. Rue, stated that the landscaping will be as
depicted on the plot plan. He said that additional landscaping will enhance the overall project.
He said that he would be able to provide an overall landscape plan, if so desired.
Public Hearing closed at 8:10 P.M. by Chmn. Ketz.
CoIIllll. Peirce stated that approval of condominium projects is a discretionary act. He stated
that there are few pieces of property in the City which can be tied together. Even though he felt
the applicant brought up good points regarding one large project, he felt that the proposed
project does not utilize the land to its best advantage. if one considers all four projects together.
In regard to subterranean parking, he stated that in order to avoid the downslope from the
alley to the parking lot, one driveway from the street would be more pleasant than driving
down the alley. He also noted concern over loss of on-street parking.
Comm. Rue discussed various parking configurations which could be utilized. He noted
concern over loss of open space and the creation of a concrete sea in order to accommodate
parking. He agreed that subterranean parking would be totally inappropriate, based on safety
concerns and economic realities.
Comm. Aleks stated that he favored this project the last time it was heard. He felt that single-
family type units are much more desirable than apartment-like structures. In this particular
area. he did not feel one large integrated project is appropriate. He noted that these are four
legal lots and they should not be required to be tied together. Even though he admired staff's
intentions, in this case he favored approval of the project as submitted.
Comm. Marks commented that a project of this size would impact the area.
Chmn. Ketz stated that she opposed the proposed project based on the fact that she feels there is
a better design than having four driveways on both Bayview and Manhattan Avenue. She also
noted concern over the possibility of having so many curb cuts along the streets. which results
in a loss of landscaping. She concluded by stating that she feels a better design is available for
this project.
Comm. Rue asked whether the applicant had an opinion related to whether this hearing should
be continued so that he could prepare and present a new design.
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Mr. Olguin stated that the would prefer to have the Commission vote on the project as
submitted at this time.
Comm. Rue commented that he felt the proposal as submitted is a good project; however, he
also felt that there could be other good designs as well.
Mr. Olguin explained that other parking and driveway configurations were considered;
however, it was determined that this proposal is the best design for the project.
MOTION by Comm. Aleks, seconded by Comm. Rue, to approve Resolutions 90-89 through 92,
with the inclusion of additional wording to Condition No. 4B specifying that if palm trees are
lost, similar-sized specimen trees shall take their place; further, that other trees shall be
encouraged to be maintained at the discretion of the Planning Director.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Conuns. Aleks, Marks, Rue
Comm. Peirce, Chmn. Ketz
None
None
Chmn. Ketz stated that the decision of the Planning Commission may be appealed by writing to
the City Council within ten days.
Comm. Rue requested that the Commission receive copies of the final landscape plot plan.
CON 90-20/PDP 90-8 -CONDmQNAL USE PERMIT AND VESTING 1ENTATIVE PARCEL MAP
#22409 FOR A 1WO-UNIT CONDOMINIUM AT 619 TENTH STREET
Mr. Schubach gave staff report dated November 15, 1990, and recommended that the Planning
Commission approve the CUP and vesting tentative map, subject to the conditions specified in
the proposed resolution.
This project is located in the R-2 zone, with a general plan designation of medium density
residential. The lot size is 4109 square feet, with an existing use as a single-family unit. The
proposed density is 21 units per acre. Five parking spaces will be provided, and 980 square feet
of open space will be included. The environmental determination is categorically exempt. The
subject property is rectangular in shape and slopes from side to side towards the west.
The proposed units contain approximately 3000 square feet each and consist of three
bedrooms, a loft, four bathrooms, and a roof deck. The project consists of two separate
detached structures with two floors and a meuanine level above a semi-subterranean garage.
The proposed building elevations exhibit a smooth cement plaster exterior, steel railings,
architectural regl.ets, an architectural trellis, glass block, and a waterfall on sheet glass. The
proposed waterfall would fall into a small pond in front of the building. This combination of
features gives the building somewhat of a contemporary appearance.
The landscape plan depicts several trees and bushes to provide visual relief from the otherwise
large and bulky structure. The design also features a rounded stairway protrusion, exterior
balconies, and glass block to provide further visual relief.
The proposed front yard setback is variable, ranging from 5.5 feet to 7 feet, which conforms
with the minimum requirement of 5 feet. A balcony encroaches to within 4 feet, which also
falls within the requirements for balcony encroachments into the front yard. The average
front yard setback along this portion of 10th Street is about 13 feet.
This particular street has recently been the subject of three other condominium projects for
which the front yard setback has been an issue. Most recently, the project across the street, 612
10th Street, was allowed a protrusion to no closer than 8 feet. while 620 10th Street was
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required to provide 10 feet. The adjacent project at 625 10th Street was allowed a setback of 7
feet (with a protrusion to 5.5 feet) in July of 1988.
The architect was advised to be sensitive to nearby front setbacks in the design of this project
to be consistent with the character of the block but has instead chosen this variable setback
with the inclusion of the waterfall feature.
Staff felt that the appropriate setback for this block is 10 feet, perhaps with an allowance for
minor protrusions. As such, staff recommended that the average setback of 10 feet be required
for this project, but allowing for protrusions to a minimum of 7 feet since the project
immediately to the east is at 7 feet.
Parking is provided in two. two-car garages oriented to the center of the lot and accessed by a
9'6" wide driveway. One guest space is provided, and no on-street spaces are lost as a result of
curb cuts.
One correction to the plans is necessary. The chimney encroachments into the required six-
foot building separation between buildings is not allowed; however, the balcony encroachment
into the rear yard is permitted in the R-2 zone. Staff therefore recommended the deletion of
Condition No. 12(a) related to that issue.
The project complies with all other planning ~d zoning requirements. Lot coverage calculates
to be 63 percent. Adequate open space is provided in the two roof decks, and adequate storage
space is provided.
Although the proposed project is larger than the typical single-family home in the area, it is
consistent with the standards of the R-2 zone and with three other newer projects located
nearby.
Public Rea.ring opened at 8:30 P.M. by Chmn. Ketz.
Fran Baker, 820 Manhattan Avenue, Manhattan Beach, representing the applicant. addressed
the Commission and: (1) stated that this project meets or exceeds all of the zoning
requirements, including parking; (2) said that the project exceeds the open space requirement;
(3) felt that this project would be an asset to the neighborhood and is one which meets the goals
of the City; (4) urged the Commission to approve the project as submitted.
Larry Peha. 67 14th Street. Hermosa Beach, project architect. addressed the Commission and:
(1) stated that the main issue appears to be that of the front yard setback; (2) said that in this
area of the City, the code allows a five-foot setback; (3) noted that the Planning Department
seems to have no clear-cut answer as to what the setback requirement is; (4) gave examples of
setbacks for neighboring projects which have recently been approved; (5) stated that there has
been no definite standard. related to front yard setbacks in the City.
Mr. Peha continued and: (1) said he was informed by staff that the setback is left to the
discretion of the Commission; (2) stated that the point of the project which has a five and a half
foot front setback is the location of the pools for the waterfalls; (3) said that the setbacks for
this project were based on those of the neighbors, which are five and a half feet and seven feet;
(4) said that the setbacks are therefore in conformance; (5) noted that the property is under the
allowable lot coverage.
Mr. Schubach explained that staff takes into consideration the various setbacks on a street
before making i.ts recommendation. He noted that blocks have varying setbacks, and older
homes are generally set back much further than newer developments. Staff therefore averages
the setbacks so that projects conform to the existing neighborhood.
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Mr. Peha continued by stating various setback measurements of other surrounding properties.
He went on, at the request of Comm. Rue, to describe the project setbacks as depicted on the
color rendering. He also described the curved waterfall enclosure.
Mr. Peha explained that the waterfall cascades into an inside pool at the stairwell landing, at
which point it then goes to the exterior.
Jeff Green, 922 10th Street, Manhattan Beach, project developer, addressed the Commission
and: (1) explained that existing neighborhoods are taken into account when he designs
projects; (2) discussed the setbacks, stating that other developers he has talked to assert that
the City has no clear-cut requirement for the front yard setback; (3) discussed the five-foot
requirement, stating that additional square footage can be utilized in the structure because of
the smaller setback; (4) said that a larger setback would not be feasible because an additional
bedroom could not be built; (5) said that this is a high-quality project; (6) commented that he
would like approval of the project as submitted.
Mr. Green continued and: (1) stated that there is an unusual situation at this property, in that
from the property line to the sidewalk there is an extra two feet which is an encroachment area
and is basically dead space; (2) stated that he could find no reference in the code related to
whether or not chimneys can protrude into the required building separation; (3) stated that the
chimneys could be staggered to give more space between them; (4) said that staggering would
create a more open area.
Mr. Schubach stated that the matter of the chimneys is a zoning code issue which is not within
the purview of the Planning Commission.
Public Hearing closed at 8:47 P.M. by Chmn. Ketz.
Comm. Peirce stated that this is a very attractive project with unique features. He noted that
over the past several years, the City has been making ~ attempt to have new projects blend in
with the older units, especially in the older neighborhoods which are in transition. He felt that
the five-foot setback requirement was not well thought-out when it was implemented a number
of years ago. He felt that the averaging method has been working out well in the City; however,
he noted concern over the front setback of this project, stating that he could not support a five-
foot front setback. He felt that a setback between eight to ten feet would be appropriate,
considering that the neighboring property has a setback of seven feet.
Comm. Aleks noted that the applicant was aware of the setback requirement; therefore, he
favored staff's recommendation of a ten-foot front setback.
Comm. Rue discussed the reason why the City began the averaging method for setbacks. He
discussed the project and stated that it is very attractive with some unique features. He could
not support a five-foot front setback, stating that he would prefer to see it be a little larger.
Chmn. Ketz stated that this is a beautiful project; however, it is important to adhere to the front
setback requirements. She felt that the larger setback also helps reduce the bui1ding bulk.
Mr. Green approached the Commission and stated that the homes with the larger front
setbacks are very small and very old, and will be tom down soon and replaced with newer
projects. He therefore felt that it is not appropriate to say the average setback is 13 feet,
especially when almost all of the newer projects have five feet. He stated that if a larger front
setback is required, he will have to redesign the entire project.
MOTION by Comm. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Aleks, to approve staff's recommendation,
Resolution P.C. 90-97, including the deletion of Condition No. 12(a).
Comm. Peirce asked whether the Commission will see these plans again if they are redesigned
for the ten-foot front setback.
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Mr. Schubach explained that minor revisions are approved at the discretion of the Planning
Director. Substantial changes, however, are sent back to the Commission for their review and
approval.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms.Aleks, Marks,Peirce,Cbinn.Ketz
Comm.Rue
None
None
Comm. Rue explained that he voted against the motion based on the fact that he feels Condition
No. 2 requiring a ten-foot front yard setback is excessive; he favored a compromise of seven
feet, noting that the building next door is at five and a half feet. He also noted that a mitigation
measure is the two-foot encroachment between the property line and the sidewalk. He felt that
the larger setback would have a detrimental effect on both the front facade and on the square
footage of the unit.
Cbinn. Ketz stated that this decision of the Planning Commission may be appealed by writing
to the City Council within ten days.
Recess taken from 9:00 P.M. until 9:08 P.M.
CUP 90-12 -CONDl11ONAL USE PERMIT FOR OFF-SALE GENERAL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
AT AN EXISTING ESTABLISHMENT ALREADY LICENSED BY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
CONTROL AND ADOP'.llON OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION AT 2510
PACIFIC COAST WGHWAY. LUCKY STORE
Mr. Schubach gave staff report dated November 15, 1990, and recommended approval of the
requested conditional use permit, subject to the conditions specified in the proposed
resolution.
'Ibis project is located in the C-3 zone, with a general plan designation of general commercial.
The lot size is approximately 46,000 square feet. and the building size is 32,656 square feet.
The current use is as a grocery store with off-sale liquor. There are 166 parking spaces.
The Lucky Market is located on the southeast corner of Pacific Coast Highway at Artesia
Boulevard. It shares the east lot with adjacent small businesses that also have additional
parking space. The combined lot is approximately 100,000 square feet. The store is a 24-hour
operated combination market and off-sale liquor store.
The Lucky Store is one of the rP.maining existing businesses selling alcoholic beverages which
has not obtained a CUP subject to the alcohol amortization ordinance.
At their meeting of October 18, 1990, the staff environmental review committee recommended
an environmental negative declaration and recommended that the Planning Commission
require the applicant/ owner to maintain parking lot landscaping.
The requested CUP would authorize the continued off-sale alcohol from the premises.
Staffs concerns are minor in nature. On the east parking lot. repairs obviously had been
completed previously; however, minor blemishes and medium-sized cracks still exist in the
middle driveways of the east parking lot. It also appears that when those repairs were
completed this summer, no slurring occurred at that time.
It is otherwise obvious that Lucky Stores has accepted the spirit of cooperation regarding the
landscaping. Automatic watering has been provided at all islands, and plants and bushes have
recently been rejuvenated.
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Tilis store has been in operation since 1982 and has been a 24-hour operation for over three
years. They have a "no delivery" policy prior to 8:00 A.M. or after 6:00 P.M. to accommodate
the neighbors. They are open seven days a week including most holidays. The adjoining
residential area that abuts the east parking lot is 300 feet from the market.
Since this is an existing grocery market/ off-sale liquor location, staff felt that the sale of
general alcohol should be allowed to continue. subject to the proposed conditions of the zoning
ordinance, and those conditions related to the site and the exterior premises. Also, the market
is a considerable distance from residential development and is located at the intersection of
two major arterials. The 24-hour operation is therefore not deemed to be detrimental.
Public Hearing opened at 9: 12 P.M. by Chmn. Ketz.
Jim Vivonia. 21966 Annette Avenue, El Toro, district supervisor for Lucky Markets, addressed
the Commission and: (1) clarified that the hours they have been using for deliveries are
between 8:00 A.M. and 8:00 P.M., and he asked that they be allowed to continue with those
hours; (2) discussed Condition No. 5 related to the posting of signs regarding purchases of
alcoholic beverages; (3) noted that the larger signs will be posted at the exits, and he therefore
requested that the signs at the check-out stands be smaller in size than 12" x 14" as required in
the condition; (4) discussed Condition No. 17 and stated that Lucky Markets do not use clear
packaging, and he therefore questioned whether that requirement could be deleted; (5) noted
that a translucent. recyclable bag is used at the store.
Ann Grassie, 6565 Knott Avenue, Buena Park, administrative assistant for Lucky Market,
asked whether any protests from the public were received related to this request, to which Mr.
Schubach replied in the negative.
Public Hearing closed at 9: 16 P.M. by Chmn. Ketz.
MOTION by Comm. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Rue, to approve staffs recommendation,
Resolution P.C. 90-96, with the following changes: Condition No. 3 to be corrected to allow
loading and unloading between the hours of 8:00 A.M. and 8:00 P.M.; Condition No. 5 to be
amended to allow signs of 5" x 7" to be placed at the check-out stands; and Condition No. 17 to
be deleted.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Aleks, Marks, Peirce, Rue, Chmn. Ketz
None
None
None
Chmn. Ketz stated that this decision of the Planning Commission can be appealed by writing to
the City Council within ten days.
PDP 90-1 -PRECISE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A TWO-STORY. 13.675 SQUARE-FOOT
RETAIL BUILDING AND ADOPI'ION OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION AT
1414 PACIFIC COAST MGHWAY
Mr. Schubach gave staff report dated November 13, 1990, and recommended that the Planning
Commission approve the proposed precise development plan and environmental negative
declaration, subject to the conditions specified in the proposed resolution.
This project is located in S.P.A. 8, with a general plan designation of commercial corridor. The
lot size is 16, 980 square feet; building size is 13,675 square feet. The floor area/lot area ratio is
0.80. Required parking is 55 spaces, and 55 (with 30 percent compact spaces) are provided. The
building height will be 35 feet. Landscaping coverage is 1450 square feet, or 8.5 percent. The
current use is as an abandoned service station.
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The applicant is proposing to construct a new building on a lot which was previously a
gasoline/service station. The project contains 13,625 square feet of retail space and a two-level
parking area with 55 parking spaces. The parking is provided behind the building and would
not be visible from Pacific Coast Highway.
The initial proposal submitted by the applicant provided a driveway access from P.C. H. and
from 15th Street. Upon review of this proposal, the City's traffic engineer noted several safety
concerns. Staff suggested the installation of a "No Right Turn" sign so that people do not travel
up into the neighborhood on 15th Street; instead, cars will be directed onto Pacific Coast
Highway. The change to 15th Street only access also benefits the street appearance of the
building and maximizes store frontage viSibility.
The project's height of 35 feet and the total square footage exceed the first-tier limits of 25 feet
high and 10,000 square feet established by the specific plan area zone. Therefore. the project is
subject to the requirements for a precise development plan and to the guidelines of the
ordinance.
Staff reviewed the project for consistency with the guidelines for review of precise development
plans in Specific Plan Area No. 8 and made several findings.
The project is designed in scale with the surrounding commercial buildings and nearby
residential uses. The overall square footage does not appear to be excessive for a lot of this size,
and the intensity of the use would be compatible with the surroundings.
The Mediterranean style architectural features are in character with the surrounding
commercial buildings, and stepping architectural features are utilized to give the building a
three-dimensional quality.
Although the proposed project exceeds the first-tier height limit of 25 feet and extends to the
maximum height at the P.C.H. frontage, the building is only 35 feet high where the two sloping
roof features peak. The rest of the building ranges from 20 feet high from grade at the rear to 30
feet. As such, it clearly meets the criteria that the portion which exceeds the first-tier limits is
compensated for by a proportional area which is at or less than 25 feet.
The design incorporates features to avoid a flat roof appearance, and relief is provided to the
building to avoid the appearance of flat vertical walls.
Although the building's upper levels are not tiered back or set back more than the first floor,
the use of balconies and slightly depressed window fronts provides visual relief.
In regard to the proposed height and its impact on ocean views, staff felt that the impact will be
minima]. First, the building is placed all the way to the front and lowest part of the lot to
minimize impact. Second, although this building will definitely obstruct views to the west for
the nearest residential units, these views are primarily of buildings across P.C.H. and of the
bill to the west, not the ocean. Further up the steep slope where ocean views become visible,
this building will only obstruct views of P.C.H. and not the ocean.
The proposed landscaping in front of the building meets the requirements for a three-foot
landscape strip by providing a three-to four-foot wide strip with proposed trees and shrubs
which serve to enhance the streetscape. The overall landscape coverage calculates to about 8.5
percent, which meets the first-tier standards of S.P.A. 8.
An eight-foot landscape strip is proposed along the rear property line consisting of low-level
shrubs. Staff recommended a condition to enhance this landscaping for the purposes of
buffering the residential uses to the east.
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Section 1207 of the zoning ordinance regarding vision clearance for corner lots requires that a
triangular area at the comer of the property remain clear for safety vision purposes. This
triangular clear area with 10-foot legs is only required up to eight feet high. Staff included a
condition that the revised plans provide this clearance.
The plans show an eight-foot wide landscaped area along the rear of the upper floor parking
area adjacent to the property line. The landscaping shown consists of smaller shrubs. Staff
felt that a decorative fence or wall should also be provided. complemented with trees or larger
shrubs in the planting area, since the upper floor parking level is almost at an equal elevation
to the adjacent property to the east.
Staff recommended a condition that a decorative block wall, a maximum of six feet high, be
provided along the rear property line in conjunction with dense landscaping on the project side
of the wall. with specific wall and landscaping types and materials to be reviewed and approved
by the planning director.
The site plan shows the locations for eight-foot high light poles along the east side of the
property. These light fixtures are within five feet of the residential property to the east. Staff
felt that in order to effectively PJiroinate glare from the adjacent residential property, light
fixtures should be located below the level of the top of the property line wall. Staff also
recommended a condition requiring a revised lighting scheme for the upper-level parking area
such that fixtures are located below the top level of the property line wall or other hidden
location, subject to the approval of the planning director.
The applicant has provided a typical plan for an internally illnrninated sign and indicates that
channel letters will be used at a maximum 24 inches high. Staff recommended a condition that
approved signs must be consistent with this typical plan. Additionally. staff recommended a
condition that any signs facing the rear of the property shall not be illuminated.
Staff also recommended conditions consistent with the recommendations of the staff
environmental review committee that the parking lots be closed to access after closing hours
and that signage be provided indicating that parking is available off of 15th Street.
Staff felt that the project is appropriate for the location, compatible with surroundings,
reasonable scale, and is designed in a manner consistent with the guidelines of S.P .A. 8. It will
clearly be an improvement over the current and previous use of the site and will enhance the
Paci.fie Coast Highway corridor.
Public Hearing opened at 9:26 P.M. by Chmn. Ketz.
Alan Glaser, 241 Via Buenaventura, Redondo Beach, applicant. ~ddressed the Commission and:
(1) said he has read the staff recommendations, which he feels can be worked out with staff; (2)
stated that he would like to reserve the right to speak on comments given at the public hearing;
(3) stated that his architect is present, in the event there are questions from the Commission.
JimLissner. 2715 El Oeste, addressed the Commission and: (1) stated that this project should
have been subject to the entire Em process; (2) stated that the mitigations achieved through the
staff review process are minimal: (3) felt that the building is boxy and will be right on the
highway: (4) felt that the project should be set back from P.C.H; (5) said that the project will
have minimal parking; (6) said that no traffic mitigation measures were proposed. and this
project will have an impact on the traffic; (7) discussed the fact that other cities require
mitigation measures, and he outlined some of the requirements in effect in other cities.
Mr. Glaser approached the Commission and: (1) said that they have attempted to create a nice
neighborhood shopping center; (2) said that all of the requirements have been met; (3) said
there is adequate parking; (4) explained that this will be an upscale shopping center; (5) said
that a traffic study was done and it was found that there will be no adverse impact on the
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surrounding area; (6) said that the previous use as a gas station generated more traffic than the
proposed project.
Mr. Glaser went on and: (1) explained that his business, Trader Al's, will locate in the new
project; (2) said that he wants tenants who will be complementary to his business, such as those
in the home fashion and furnishing areas; (3) stated that he does not intend to have
convenience stores or doughnut shops.
Public Hearing closed at 9:31 P.M. by Chmn. Ketz.
Comm. .Aleks noted that he resides within 300 feet of the proposed project; therefore, he stated
that he would abstain from discussion and voting on this matter.
MOTION by Comm. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Rue, to approve staffs recommendation,
Resolution P.C. 90-102, with the addition of a condition requiring that a "No Right Turn" sign
be placed at the exit on 15th Street, so that people do not travel up the hill into the residential
neighborhood.
Comm. Peirce stated that this is an attractive project. He felt that the developer has taken into
account the City and the neighbors in the design. He stated that this shopping center will be an
asset to the City.
Chmn. Ketz concurred that this is an attractive project. She also felt it is beneficial for the
neighbors that this project is closer to the highway than to the residential neighborhood.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Marks, Peirce, Rue, Chmn. Ketz
None
Comm. .Aleks
None
Chmn. Ketz stated that this decision of the Planning Commission may be appealed by writing
to the City Council within ten days.
VEWCLE PARKING ON PEDES'llUAN WALK S'.J'REJIT
Mr. Schubach explained that staff has altered its recommendation on this item; therefore, he
suggested that it be continued to a future meeting.
Mr. Schubach stated that staff will be preparing a revised report which will be much more
elaborate and which will contain additional recommendations.
Jim Lissner, approached the Commission with a point of order. stating that since this item
will affect the general plan and over 100 parking spaces in the City. it should be noticed and set
for a public hearing.
Mr. Antich, Director of Public Works, explained that the Planning Commission will be making
a recommendation to the City Council. The City Council may, if so desired, address this matter
at a public hearing, depending upon the recommendation from the Commission.
Mr. Lee suggested that Mr. Lissner be advised of the meeting date when this item will be heard.
MOTION by Comm. Peirce, seconded by Comm . .Aleks, to continue this item to an unspecified
meeting date.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms . .Aleks, Marks, Peirce, Rue, Chmn. Ketz
None
None
None
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Comm. Peirce asked whether action on this matter will resolve the problem of the illegal use of
encroachments in the Shakespeare tract, to which Mr. Schubach replied in the affirmative.
STAFF ITEMS
a) Res»onse to '.lraffic Engineer -Policy Regarding Curb Cuts on ''Dual-Unit" Projects
Attem,pt;iIJ,g to Save On-Street fwking
Mr. Schubach gave staff report and recommended that staff be directed to continue to pursue
alternative driveway arrangements toward the goal of preserving on-street parking and to
require the project at 834-840 Monterey to correct curb cuts to be consistent with the approved
plans.
In a memorandum from the City's traffic engineer, problems were noted with the use of curb
cuts which attempt to maximize on-street parking because of the potential impact on sight
distance and thus traffic safety. The traffic engineer requested a formal Planning Commission
policy on this issue.
On February 7, 1990, the Planning Commission approved a four-unit condo project at 834-840
Monterey, subject to a condition that "the applicant shall work with the Planning and Public
Works Departments to attempt to minimize the loss of on-street parking on Monterey
Boulevard."
Prior to obtaining building permits, the applicant worked with staff and came up with a
revised plan which arranged the two driveways so that the gap separating the driveways was
wide enough to park a car. The proposed dimensions for the driveway width and the gap were
verified to be adequate with the Public Works Department and were correctly depicted on the
final working drawings.
Unfortunately, however, the Public Works Department issued a driveway permit to allow the
driveway to be constructed in the originally proposed manner (straight back from the garages)
which eliminated all on-street parking.
The traffic engineer feels that the decision of saving on-street parking with this type of
driveway arrangement is a choice between safety concerns and the need for additional parking
spaces.
Although staff would agree that sight distance and vision is not ideal with the proposed
driveway design, the sight distance problems already noted exist throughout the City where
parking is allowed on the street. Further. in the subject case where on1y a straight entrance
drive is used to the parking garages. the sight distance and safety problem would still exist,
especially for the southern-most driveway and only improves marginally for the northern
driveway.
Also, these driveways are each access for one two-car garage; therefore, the newly generated
traffic ingressing and egressing from the driveways is negligible.
Mr. Schubach continued by discussing various alternatives to the parking problem and the
preservation of on-street parking. He explained that staff will continue to work with the
Public Works Department on this issue.
Comm. Rue felt that if this goal can be safely accomplished, it would be very worthwhile.
Mr. Antich stated that the driveway at 840 Monterey is already installed. The contractor was
unaware of the condition, and the driveway was installed straight on. The problem was not
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discovered until the site was inspected by someone from the Planning Department. He stated
that the project is already completed.
Mr. Antich stated that this was the first project which had been approved requiring a change in
the driveway configuration. Unfortunately, this project slipped through the cracks, and the
driveway was built as originally proposed.
Comm. Aleks noted that accidents do occur; Comm. Rue concurred, stating that the applicant
was told by the Public Works Department that the driveway could be constructed as it was.
Chmn. Ketz noted, however, that the developer was aware of the conditions imposed at the
public hearing.
Comm. Rue agreed; however, he noted that circumstances can arise on a job site which dictate
that certain methods be used which are logical He also noted that the applicant was given the
go-ahead by the City. He stated that it would be inconvenient and costly to tear out the existing
driveway and replace it. He pointed out that this is the :first project which had the requirement;
therefore, he felt it would be appropriate to let this project stand.
MOTION by Comm. Rue, seconded by Comm. Aleks, to approve staffs recommendation to direct
staff to continue to pursue alternative driveway arrangements toward the goal of preserving
on-street parking; further, to take no action against the project at 834-840 Monterey
Boulevard.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
CoIIllllS. Aleks, Marks, Peirce, Rue
Chmn. Ketz
None
None
b) Existing Auto Bocly and Repair Shop Investigation
Mr. Schubach stated that this report was prepared at the direction of the Planning
Commission. He explained that the main problems relate to odor, noting that there seems to be
no equipment available to completely remove the offensive odors. He said that certain types of
paints must be used: if they are not. a complaint check can result in a citation by the Fire
Department. He noted. however. that most of the shops are adhering to the requirements.
Chmn. Ketz asked how establishments can be encouraged to rectify their violations, to which
Mr. Schubach responded that the shops have been notified either to comply or to be cited by the
City. He noted that several laws are in place related to this use.
c) s1gn,1 Warrant Review-2nd Street and Hermosa Avenue
Comm. Peirce stated that this particular signal was surreptitiously installed. He maintained
that the traffic at that location is much higher than in other areas where there are stop signs in
the north end of town. He felt that the signal is a hazard.
Comm. Rue concurred, stating that the location is quite hazardous. He felt that a stop sign
would be more appropriate. He felt that the signal encourages faster traffic.
Mr. Antich clarified that that particular section of Hermosa Avenue is designated as an
arterial, based on the traffic volume.
Discussion ensued related to the traffic volumes at various times and on certain days.
Mr. Antich explained that the City Council is the body that determines where stop signs shall
be placed. He stated that the proper procedure would be for the Planning Commission to make
their recommendation to the Council related to this issue.
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Mr. Antich discussed a speed survey which was conducted in August 1988, explaining how,
when, and where the speed was measured.
Comm. Peirce and Mr. Antich discussed the speed as specified in the survey results. Comm.
PeiTce felt that the survey was conducted at the wrong time of day, stating that it should have
been conducted during rush hour. Mr. Antich explained that surveys of this nature normally
are not done during rush hour.
Comm. Peirce stressed the importance of obtaining the correct data, which he felt to be
measurements during rush hour. He felt that the data is necessary before proceeding further to
ascertain whether a stop sign or signal is appropriate at 2nd Street and Hermosa Avenue.
Mr. Antich stated that such a survey would require the expenditure of public funds. Mr.
Schubach explained that Council approval would be necessary to spend any funds on this issue.
Comm. Peirce's motivation for requesting additional data is the fact that traffic is too fast at
that location.
Mr. Antich stated that he could discuss the matter with the police department, in an attempt to
enforce the speed limit, to which Comm. Peirce countered that enforcement would not be a
pennanent solution. He felt that there would be better control with a stop sign.
MOTION by Comm. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Rue, to request the Director of Public Works to
conduct northbound speed measurements beg;:ooing ~t 3rd or 4th Street at busier times of day,
i.e., between 7:30 A.M. and 8:30 A.M., on a non-Govenunent holiday weekday when school is in
session.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms.Marks,Peirce,Rue
Chmn. Ketz
Comm. Aleks
None
d) Memorandum R.egarclmg Joint Meeting of Planning Commission and Staff
Comm. Peirce asked about the egress at the Pavilion, to which Mr. Schubach replied that
action is now being taken to redesign the egress for better use.
e) Memorandum Rf:gardlng f'laoning Commission Liaison for November 27. 1990. Meeting
No one will attend as liaison.
f) 'feptsative Future Planning Commi$Slon Agenda
No action taken.
gJ City Connell Minutes of October 23 and October 00. 1990
No action taken.
COMMISSIONER I'.IBMS
None
MOTION by Comm. Aleks, seconded by Chmn. Ketz. to adjourn at 10:21 P.M. No objections; so
ordered.
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CER11FICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are a true and complete record of the action
taken by the Planning Commission of Hermosa Beach at the regularly scheduled
meeting of November 20, 1990.
2 / 1 ,/ {lfd -d~~
Micha.el chubach, Secretary
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