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MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF THE CITY OF HERMOSA
BEACH HELD ON APRIL 21, 1992, AT 7:00 P.M. IN THE CITY HALL COUNCIL
CHAMBERS
Meeting called to order at 7:00 P.M. by Chmn. Ketz.
Pledge of Allegiance led by Comm. Di Monda.
ROLL CALL
Present:
Absent:
Also Present:
Comms; Di Monda, Marks, Suard, Chmn. Ketz
Comm. Merl
Michael Schubach; Planning Director,
Roger Springer, Assistant City Attorney,
Paul Corneal, Building Department
Sylvia Root, Recording Secretary
CONSENT CALENDAR
MOTION by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Marks, to approve the
following Consent Calendar items:
Minutes of the April 7, 1992 Planning Commission meeting, with the
following changes:
Page 3, Paragraph 2: Correct Motion made by Comm. Suard, which
discusses a motion to DENY, but doesn't state that mot.ion was
withdrawn and a Motion to CONTINUE then made.
Page 10, Final Paragraph: Change the last sentence to read,
" ... with only 13 parking spaces, of which six were compact
parking spaces, being provided. She also was concerned
regarding the number of spaces in relationship to new use."
Resolution 92-24: Paragraph "B" is to be rewritten to state
that the sideyard set backs do not comply with the literal
interpretation, in that the Commission wished to maintain the
sideyards as required by the Code.
Resolution P.C. 92-22, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF
THE CITY OF HERMOSA BEACH, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING A PRECISE
DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND PARKING PLAN FOR A TWO-STORY INDUSTRIAL
BUILDING, AND ADOPTION OF A MITIGATED ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE
DECLARATION, AT 601 CYPRESS AVENUE.
Resolution P.C. 92-5, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF
THE CITY OF HERMOSA BEACH, CALIFORNIA, DENYING A CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT, VESTING TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP #23286, AND PRECISE
DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A 3-UNIT CONDOMINIUM PROJECT AT 1901 PACIFIC
COAST HIGHWAY.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
CoJDJns. Di Monda, Marks, Suard and Chmn. Ketz
None
None
CoJDJn. Merl
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COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC
No one wished to address the Commission regarding an item not on
the agenda.
PUBLIC HEARING
L-5 LEGAL DETERMINATION HEARING TO DETERMINE THE LEGALITY OF
AN EXISTING 6-UNIT APARTMENT LOCATED AT 1150 MANHATTAN AVENUE.
Recommended Action:
5-unit apartment.
To determine said property to be legal for
Mr. Corneal, representing the Building Department, gave the Staff
Report, explaining the history of the original structure and the
additional on-site structures as they related to the then~existing
Zoning Codes. He stated the options available to the Planning
Commission, based upon the information received. Comm. Di Monda
and Mr. Corneal discussed the location of the single-family
dwelling and the four units, as well as the dates of issuance of
the permits and the county tax records, which disp1ayed two
separate structures.
Public Hearing opened by Chmn. Ketz at 7:06 p.m.
Nick Yamamuro, property owner, stated he had just received Staff's
report and had not had an opportunity to thoroughly review the
document. He noted a "window" when the structure could have been
made legal in 1954. He stated he had inherited the property, the
previous owner had owned the property since 1964. Mr. Yamamuro
also stated his understanding that the structures were legal only
since 1964 and had collected data with that objective; not
realizing that other problems were also involved. Mr. Corneal
explained Staff was trying to determine if between 1"954 and 1956
the structures had been legally existing. Mr. Yamamuro stated the
separate unit had been a maid's and then a nurse's quart~rs .
. .
Sheila Donahue Miller, 77 17th Street, asked if the City had the
building permits from 1954 and 1955. When Chairman Ketz started to
respond, Ms. Miller interrupted her, stating she "did not wish to
be interrupted". Mr. Corneal stated the City did have building
permits, but was now determinin9 if the structures were le9ally
constructed. Ms. Miller requested the Public Hearing be continued
in order to allow the applicant more time to obtain additional
information.
Public Hearing closed by Chmn. Ketz at 7:15 p.m.
Comm. Di Monda discussed construction possibilities with Mr.
Corneal, determining the square footage was the same in 1941 as
later and construction could have been legally permitted during the
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1954-56 window. Mr. Springer confirmed the Title Report would
furnish a legal description, but a Litigation Guarantee would
probably supply the additional, requested information.
MOTION b¥ Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Marks, to CONTINUE the
application to the meeting of June 2, 1992, to allow the applicant
adequate time for report review, rebuttal and document presenta-
tion.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Di Monda, Marks, Suard, Chmn. Ketz
None
None
Comm. Merl
PDP 91-18 CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT TO ALLOW AUTO
DETAILING IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN EXISTING CAR WASH, PARKING PLAN TO
ALLOW EMPLOYEE PARKING ON ADJACENT PROPERTY, AND ADOPTION OF AN
ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION AT 1000 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY,
HERMOSA CAR WASH (continued from February 4 and March 17, 1992
meetings).
Recommended Action: To approve said Conditional Use Permit
amendment and adopt the Environmental Negative Declaration.
Mr. Schubach stated the revised plans addressed the concerns
expressed by the Commission and defined those concerns and
solutions. He stated the parking had been maximized, Staff
believed a complete closure of the exit onto 10th Street would be
the best solution, and no additional information had been received
as to noise abatement. Mr. Schubach discussed access to an
adjacent parking lot area and the associated parking and movement
problems. He stated Staff recommended approval of the C.U.P. with
conditions or a denial of same due to the applicant's reluctance to
address various problems.
Public Hearing opened by Chmn. Ketz at 7:27 p.m.
Peter Paladino, Paladino Architects, 215 Pier Avenue, representing
the applicant, stated five issues existed of which all but two had
been addressed, itemizing the actions taken. He stated the noise
problem had also been addresses by baffle and insulation instal-
lation, which dropped the noise levels, but no tests had been
conducted to date. He discussed the acoustical remedies, methods
and his qualifications with Comm. Marks. Mr. Paladino explained
the rear driveway is used approximately 10 times per day as an
employee exit. The driveway is an exit only and not an entrance,
but very necessary to the business.
Richard O' Bryan, applicant, explained he had conducted his own
noise tests, added acoustical material and had further reduced the
noise levels by approximately 10-20 decimals. Comm. Di Monda dis-
cussed current and proposed parking, as well as exiting. Comm. Di
Monda stated realistic parking requirements are necessary and
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suggested parking spaces Nos. 7 through .11 be eliminated, adding 2
or 3 spaces in -the back section, resulting in 8 parking spaces.
Messrs. 0 'Bryan and Paladino discussed the parking requirements
with Comm. Di Monda. Mr. Paladino asked if the empty employee-
parking spaces could be used for customers if less spaces were
needed for the employees. Mr. Schubach stated as long as the
employees are not parking on the street, the additional empty
spaces could be used for drying of cars. Comm. Di Monda again
suggested reducing the parking re!quirement burden to a realistic
plan, to which the applicant agre_ed.
Sahib Nikiam, 10th Street, stated he did not object to the car
wash, but he and his neighbors on 10th Street requested that 10th
Street be closed, due to the narrowness of the streets and unsafe
drivers. He presented a petition requesting that closure to the
Commission. Comm. Marks discussed the narrowness of the ·streets
and the dead-end streets which resulted in traffic congestion with
Mr. Nikiam.
Doug Holsinger, 10th Street~·-stated his concerns regarding trafftc
on 10th Street. He felt that anything that increases 10th Street
traffic will negatively impact the neighborhood.
Peter Paladino agreed that the dead-end sign was not visible and
suggested the tree in front of the sign be trimmed or make the sign
more visible to traffic to alleviate unnecessary traffic.
Public Hearing closed by Chmn. Ketz at 7:50 p.m.
Comm. Di Monda suggested that 6 parking spaces during the week and
a few more on the week ends be required, with the requirement for
striping deleted. He suggested that Resolution 92-4, Section 1,
Paragraph 2 be revised to reflect a more realistic parking
requirement; Paragraph 5 referred to Public Works Department
requirements, to which he suggested Staff provide what those
requirements were to the Commission; Paragraph 13 discusses noise
emanations, to which he felt it had been made clear that the
Commission was asking the applicant to go above and beyond the
noise ordinance; Paragraph 16's language should be less offensive
or restrictive; a "right-turn only" sign from the business exit
onto 10th Street should be considered after obtaining clearance
through the Public Works Department. Comm. Di Monda asked that
Staff notify Public Works the signage was inadequate and discuss
with Public Works the possibility of a "right-turn only" sign.
Comm. Marks asked the noise level be verified to assure that it is
within an acceptable range. He proposed continuance to allow
further investigation of the issues.
Chmn. Ketz expressed concern regarding commercial traffic on
residential streets and business' employees parking on residential
streets. She stated the wording of Paragraph 16 was acceptable to
her, but that she was still concerned about the driveway exit onto
10th Street.
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Comm. Suard asked ·if a. chain link fence or a card-key· controlled
gate across the exit would be feasible in terms of enforcement, to
which Mr. Schubach stated both could be operable. Mr. Schubach
suggested the "right-turn only" exit might be considered.
MOTION by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Suard, to CONTINUEJ,the
application to the meeting of May .19, 1992, pending Public Works
Department's response to the possibility of a "right-turn only"
sign. at the ·driveway, obtain a quantified sound reading to assure
compliance with the · noise Ordinance, obtain landscaping
requirements from Public Works Department and amendment of the
parking plan to include week-end situations.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Di Monda, Marks, Suard, Chmn. Ketz
None
None
Comm. Merl
CUP 92-5/PARK 92-2 CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND PARKING PLAN TO
ALLOW SLOT CAR RACING IN CONJUNCTION WITH A HOBBY STORE, AND
ADOPTION OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION AT 950 AVIATION
BOULEVARD, SUITES A & B, THE RACER'S EDGE.
Recommended Action: To approve said Conditional Use Permit, and
adopt the Environmental Negative Declaration.
Mr. Schubach stated the requested combination use of hobby shop and
slot-car racing is not considered uncommon, in that larger stores
combine uses to promote the line of merchandise. He described the
plan usage, business orientation and the requirement for adult
supervision during all business hours. The business hours were
recommended as closure at 10:00 p.m. week-days and 11:00 p.m.
week-ends. Staff recommended observation to assure no parking
problems existed.
Public Hearing opened by Chmn. Ketz at 8:05 p.m.
Dennis Scanlan, 831 6th Street, requested the hours be extended
during the summer months to 12:00 a.m. on week ends to allow adult
participation during the later hours. Mr. Schubach stated the
establishment abutted a residential area and recommended an 11:00
p.m. closure on week ends. Comm. Marks suggested consideration of
a one-month trial period of week-end closure at 12:00 a.m. Mr.
Scanlan asked if four video games would be allowed, rather than the
three currently stated. Staff stated that four video machines
instead of three would not be a problem.
Matt Dodge, 821 6th Street, wanted to know why he was responsible
for moving the trash containers, to which Mr. Schubach stated it
was the property owner's responsibility because the permit runs
with the land. He stated they did not and would not be serving
food on premises.
Public Hearing closed by Chmn. Ketz at 8:11 p.m.
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Comm.·Di Monda suggested the week-end closing hours · be·extended to
12:00 a.m. and four video games be al lowed on site, with a six-
month review by the Commission. He discussed the purpose of
Resolution Paragraph 11 with Mr. Schubach. Comm. Di Monda felt
this article put a burden on the Police Chief and requested the
Condition changed to read, in essence, "The Police Chief and/or
Planning Department may determine that a continuing police problem
exists and may present that fact to the attention of the -planning
Commission -at a public -hearing, which may require security
personnel paid by the · business." He suggested the. specific
language be approved by the City Attorney. Mr. Schubach stated
that the Police Chief had expressed the opinion that the Police
Dept. should have authority to resolve problems without waiting for
a public hearing, but that Comm. Di Monda' s suggestion might be
feasible.
Comm. Di Monda felt Paragraph 13, prohibition of food and drink or
game abuse was a business responsibility and not the Commission's.
He questioned Paragraph 14, in total, as being discriminatory, to
which Chmn. Ketz agreed. Comm. Marks felt it could be used as a
management tool. It was agreed to wait for the City Attorney's
response regarding this item. Mr. Schubach stated this item had
been included in the interest of consistency.
MOTION by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Marks, to CONTINUE the
application to the meeting of May 5, 1992, and when it is returned
to the Commission to AMEND Condition 2 to extend week-end closures
until 12:00 a.m., Condition 8(a) to four video games, Condition 11
to assure return to the Planning Commission, Condition 13 deleting
the prohibition against food, drink and game abuse, and to obtain
the City Attorney's opinion regarding Conditions 14 and 11.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Di Monda, Suard, Chmn. Ketz
None
None
Comm. Merl
A break was taken from 8:25 p.m. to 8:33 p.m.
SS 92-5 SPECIAL STUDY AND TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING
ORDINANCE TO REDUCE THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT IN R-3 AND R-P ZONES AND
ADOPTION OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
Recommended Action: To recommend approval
alternatives listed in the Staff Report and
Environmental Negative Declaration.
of one of
adoption of
the
the
Mr. Schubach discussed and summarized the Staff-recommended
alternatives regarding the height of condominiums and apartments
within the R-3 and R-P zones. He stated the alternatives were
consistent with the General Plan Housing Element. Those
alternatives were:
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A.
B.
c.
F
G
H
Maintain the R-3 height limit at 35 feet.
Reduce the height limit from 35 to 30 feet (or
any other acceptable number of feet)
Reduce the height limit to 30 feet, but allow the
Commission to approve limit-exceeding projects up i•,=-
to a 35-feet maximum when it has been demonstrated
that surrounding existing buildings are over 30
feet in height .
Establish different ·height limits based on the
neighborhood area
Establish two sets of height requirements depen-
dent upon the type of roof design
Establish a view protection ordinance instead of
changing height limits
Reduce the amount of upper floor buildable area
instead of change height limits
A combination of alternatives
Public Hearing opened by Chmn. Ketz at 8:40 p.m.
Betty Ryan, 588 20th Street, requested the public hearing be
continued until individual noticing to all effected property owners
be accomplished. Mrs. Ryan volunteered to assist with the
noticing. She asked that if this i tern were not continued that
Alternative A be approved by the Commission.
Dean Hult, 830 Monterey Avenue, stated the changes would downgrade
all R-3 J?roperties. He discussed his plans to tear down and
replace his structure, the impact on property taxes that action
would have and requested the height limit remain as is, with no
change.
Sandy Pringle, 747 Monterey Avenue, recently purchased his property
with plans to add a bedroom which would result in a 35-feet
building height. He requested that all property owners be
individually notified and volunteered to help accomplish that
Sheila Donahue-Miller, 77 17th Street, property owner of· 2922 and
2920 Hermosa Avenue, stated the property next to her was 35 feet
high. She discussed building a pool, her lack of privacy, her
previous ability to build six units, down-zoning of her property to
R-2, additional cuts will continue to destroy her property value.
She discussed the locations of R-3 lots. She noted she was on her
third law suit against Hermosa Beach and would now initiate a
fourth.
Carol Simons, 218 Longfellow Avenue, felt it was essential that the
effected property owners be notified on an individual basis. She
proposed the eight possible alternatives be place in writing and
sent to the property owners for their review.
Jim Babliani, 1011 Bayview Drive, felt the
much power in the hands of the Commission.
with the intention of adding another story,
alternatives put too
He bought his property
and, therefore, opposed
any change in the height limitation.
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Jim Rosenberger, Bayview Avenue, felt the Commission had changed
"from dealing with a scalple to dealing with a shot gun to the
whole town in terms of R-3" in the approach. He stated his
neighboring building was taller than 45 feet and doesn't want a
restriction placed upon himself,.which would result in his being in
a "canyon". He suggested a .careful review area-by-area since each
section is independent .in nature from the others. He requested the
height limit be left "as is" or only those alternatives with
flexibility be considered. He felt Alternative A should be left
alone, B • and C are not , wise, D through F have merit and G is a
combination of all the rest. Comm. Di Monda noted that Alternative
C gave a lot of flexibility; 30 feet with descretion to 35 feet
height if a possible "canyon" condition exists. In Mr. Rosenber-
ger's case, most of the block is built to 35 feet and would allow
him the same. Comm. Di Monda stated most of the alternatives did
take into fact the problems presented by testimony during this
meeting. Mr. Rosenberger acknowledged the possibility of a
third-floor setback as a good option, but still felt the Commission
should make the City Council aware of the problems being created by
mixed zones, which should be reviewed differently than strictly R~3
zones.
Mike Fletcher, 414 The Strand, purchased his property with the
intention of adding a master bedroom on the second floor. He
described the tall, neighboring residents, stating he did not wish
to live next to two enormous structures and not be able to add
height to his own property. He suggested the Commission consider
his problem which is similar to many other property owners and
expressed his surprise that only the height, rather than height and
bulk, issue was being addressed. He stated height was not targeted
by the Ordinance.
Mary McGee, 602 Manhattan Avenue, stated she was tired of her
property being down zoned. Her neighboring properties' structures
are at the 35-feet height. She stated Alternative B gave too much
discretion to the Commission. Mr. McGee reiterated her opposition
to any change in height limitation.
John Rogers, 326 10th Street, stated residents are 10-0 against any
change in height restriction based upon the effect upon property
values. He discussed the considerable amount of reconstruction
within the City and asked the height limitation remain as-is.
Jerry Compton, 1200 Artesia Blvd., discussed a letter he had
written and mailed to property owners and stated the importance of
getting as much input as possible. He discussed the resident vote,
noting that 65% of the voters were tenants, not property owners,
and challenged non-owners' participation in the advisory vote. He
stated advisory votes are not law and should not be reviewed as
such. He cautioned against "railroading" the height modification
into existence. He agreed zoning was incorrect in pockets of the
City, but felt the entire R-3 zone should not be changed. He
discussed the Commission's and Staff's efforts, but felt they were
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wasted since the City Council already had three votes to change the
height limit. He felt that Alte!rnatives C and D allowed an open
door and flexibility. He also felt it was absolutely and funda-
mentally wrong for the City to suggest or make a modification to
anyone's property rights and values without individually notifying
that person and noted there were 1800 R-3 zoned property owners
which need to be notified. He volunteered to assist in that
notification.
Conun. Di Monda stated Mr. Compton had read the City Council pretty
accurately, but had discussed some items not under the Conunission's
control. The Commission could recommend some combination of alter-
natives to address everyone's concerns. Conun. Di Monda calculated
that removal of five foot from the height allowance would result in
the possible loss of mezzinines or approximately 200 sq. ft. of
buildable area. Mr. Compton confirmed this calcul ation. Alterna-
tive G required greater setbacks, which will probably result in the
loss of at least 200 buildable sq. feet. Comm. Di Monda stated the
loss of buildable area was the discussion topic and requested Mr.
Compton's comments regarding this issue. Mr. Compton asked how a
reasonably-sized, saleable unit could be constructed with the loss
of square footage or if a restrictive situation would be created,
resulting in much less up9rading to older uni ts. Mr. Compton
explained the use of a similar set-back requirement to the front
and rear of the properties, creating a mezzinine area in the center
of the building. He stated this design was not well liked by many
people. He felt property owners have property rights and should be
heard prior to any decision being made by the Commission. He
expressed architects' problems in having t o adhere to a rule that
has not yet been c hanged and stated this practice was an unfair
requirement.
Comm. Di Monda and Mr. Compton further discussed an angled,
sky-exposure plane (Alternative G) related to height limits and
street width. Mr. Compton supported the sky-exposure plane, stated
the first floor would be a garage only , and, if thought through
carefully, the problems are turned over before becoming a reality.
He stated the lot coverage draft on Staff Report Page 32 is a joke;
it will not work, it doesn't relate to a 17-feet setback or open
space, and decisions should not be based on inaccurate data. Mr.
Schubach stated they were discus sing gross floor area; Staff had
the samples used, offered to show those samples to Mr. Compton and
to review any examples as to how it would not work Mr. Compton
cared to submit. Mr. Compton stated only four members of the
audience had received copies of the Staff Report and felt
information should be available to the affected residents, all who
should be noticed.
Larry Peha, 67 14th Street, architect, noted the height measurement
method was inconsistent and stated clear-cut direction was needed
by both the architects and property owners. He felt height alone
was not the problem, but rather a combination of items. He
suggested the implications of the change be reviewed before taking
any actions.
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Garrison Frost; 58 Pier Avenue, discussed his concern regarding .the
City's image due to the changes in requirements and the City's
reputation for giving people a bad time and the difficulty in
dealing with the City. He stated less people are now willing to
buy property in Hermosa Beach.
Jim Perry, 223· Monterey Avenue, stated he intended to rebuild and
improve his property and that the arbitrary changes of the building
codes has taken square footage away and another change would result
in 'the same. He stated 'his neighbor is going into foreclosure on
his property due to the City's actions and he, himself, would soon
have an unbuildable lot.
Jim Gallager, 3314 Highland, agreed with Mr. Frost's previous
statements. He stated his 20-year residency has been an on-going
struggle to survive because the City does not leave the property
owner's alone. He agreed that Hermosa Beach did have a reputation
and that the City had a responsibility to let people know what it
is doing. He stated not one person for a height reduction had
spoken, so why was the City even addressing the issue. He
supported Alternative C.
George Taylor, 300 Manhattan Avenue, planned to improve his
property by the addition of two condominiums and the height limit
would make that extremely difficult. He stated that he thought the
purpose of communication was to give direction to the Council, not
just implement its biases. He then stated his opposition to any
change within the height limit and his support of individual
noticing. Comm. Di Monda responded decisions must be based upon
reality and with fairness. He stated if an Ordinance is well and
clearly written with clear criteria, it gives the power and
discretion to deviate from the criteria. Architects may submit a
preliminary set of drawings to the Planning Dept., which is not as
great a burden as it seems to appear.
Shirley Castle, 611 Monterey Boulevard, quoted Councilman Edgerton
as having said his mind was made up and not going to be changed.
She stated it was not fair to the people of City for Councilmernbers
to have closed minds. She discussed the lack of light due to tall
buildings surrounding her property and asked why she should take a
loss on the sale of her property just because the rules have
changed again. She stated the residents had paid a lot of money
for their land and the City was down zoning their property
resulting is loss of property value. She discussed a current law
suit and stated the Commissioners and Councilmernbers may end up as
part of it. '
Bob Stroffee, 3205 The Strand, reiterated other speakers statements
that no one had spoken in favor for reducing the height limit.
Bonnie Coke, 1921 Manhattan Avenue, a fourth-generation resident,
discussed the down zoning, property growth and change~ she has
witnessed in Hermosa Beach.
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Public Hearing closed by Chmn. Ketz at 9:41 p.m.
Comm. Marks discussed Alternative F with Mr. Schubach, who
explained the requirements and methods of measurement . in this
alternative. Comm .. Di Monda explained to the audience the
procedure to be followed by Staff, the Commission and City Council,
including review and renotification requirements., which was
confirmed by Mr. Schubach. Chmn. Ketz confirmed with Mr •. Schubach
that the Commission would be making recommendation to the City
Council regarding alternatives, but not a specific ordinance.
Comm.· Di Monda stated that none of the stand-alone alternatives
address all of the concerns, assuming the height limit is lowered.
A combination of "C" "E" and "G" would be of interest and discussed
the impact of these alternatives. He stated that if "D" became a
choice, he wished to see a map displaying the areas to be subject
to "D" and relative to "G", requested an example based on page 72's
chart with graphics of typical lot sizes and lot coverage.
Mr. Schubach explained the City Council wished to ~review each
individual standard and had started with height. Chmn. Ketz
confirmed there had been no direction to review all at one time.
Comm. Suard felt there were a lot of interacting forces and this
was a very piece-meal method and there were more logical procedures
which could be taken. He questioned the Commission's ability to
complete a recommendation in the short timeframe and noted specific
problems, such as island zoning and "half lots". Comm. Suard
stated Alternative "E" would allow leeway in architectural
significance, to which Chmn. Ketz agreed. The Commission agreed to
consider a combination of C, G and E.
Comm. Di Monda explained the Commission was only sending ·some type
of concept for approval by the City Council, with a lot more to do
thereafter, to which Chmn. Ketz concurred. Comms. Marks and Suard
did not feel they were in agreement with the alternatives offered.
Comm. Marks felt no change should be made to the 35-feet height
limit and another nuance to lessen density should be considered.
The Commission discussed the height necessary to obtain a three-
story building. Chmn. Ketz felt flexibility should be allowed
while requiring a 30-feet limit in some areas, the 17-feet setback
and Alternative "G" should be further reviewed. Comm. Di Monda
suggested a 35-feet height with a set-back at the third floor to
push the structure back from the street. Comm. Suard felt part of
the equation should include consideration as to what the structure
blocks (covered by Alternate C).
Mr. Schubach responded to the Commission that Staff could develop
rough language incorporating Alternatives C, B, D, E and G. Also,
a Minute Order, including the a cover sheet and Minutes, could be
forwarded to the City Council. Comm. Di Monda suggested the
inclusion of a recommendation to consider the problems experienced
by the Commission with noticing, so that everyone receives a notice
as this issue progresses, to which Chmn. Ketz agreed.
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MOTION by· Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Suard, to RECOMMEND to
City Council a combination of Alternatives C, D, E and G; request
Staff to review Alternative D and furnish information to the
Commission as to its meaning; and to notice all R-3 lot owners.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Conuns. Di Monda, Suard, Chmn. Ketz
Comm. Marks
None
Conun. Merl
SS 86-12 TEXT AMENDMENT TO ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING ADULT
USES AND ADOPTION OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION (CONTD.
FROM MARCH 3 AND APRIL 7, 1992 MEETINGS).
Recommended Action: To review additional data requested and direct
staff to set for public hearing.
Mr. Schubach presented the Staff Report, stating that ~ssentially
Staff was trying to provide an ordinance that is legally
defensible, based upon recommendations from the City Attorneys. He
referenced provision of previously requested information by the
Commission, including information provided for this meeting. Mr.
Schubach asked for a review of the information and direct Staff to
set this item for a public hearing to enable a Text Amendment to be
written.
Comm. Di Monda referenced several Orange County cities which use
County standards and asked if those standards could be used by
Hermosa City, since more coverage and detail was provided by those
standards. He recommended Staff review:
Page 29, Section 287, which should be "motel/hotel",
Section 288, which should be "/arcade",
Section 297, County's looks more inclusive than Hermosa
Beach's,
Page 32, Section 2, Paragraph 1, establishes 500 feet versus
200 feet,
Page 33, Line 7, deals with the number of video machines, as to
what that number was based upon,
Page 33, Section 21-8, repeal a section of the Municipal Code,
apparently no copy of the Code provided,
Comm. Di Monda discussed with Mr. Schubach the reasons for the
apparent lack of adult businesses in Orange County and Orange
County's Ordinance definitions. Mr. Schubach stated a 500-feet
requirement would preclude any business of this type within the
City and is, therefore, illegal. He responded to Comm. Di Manda's
suggestions, also stating that if the Commission felt the Orange
County's Ordinance definitions were preferable, they could be
adapted to Hermosa Beach. Comm. Di Monda expressed concern that
the Commission might set ground rules to make it easier for adult
businesses to begin in the City. The C.U.P. procedure would enable
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findings to be made relating to the requested use and impact upon
the neighborhood. Mr. Schubach stat ed the City Attorney had
reviewed and concurred with the recommendations made, but a "fine
tuning" should be completed prior to presentation to the City
Council.
Chmn. Ketz felt such establishments should be at least 200 feet
from-the property lines. Chmn. Ketz, Comm. Suard and Mr. Schubach
discussed the options of 200 feet from the front door or front
property line.
Public Hearing opened by Chmn. Ketz at 10:19 p.m.
No one wished to address the Commission relating to this item, and
the Public Hearing was closed by Chmn. Ketz at 10:19 p.m.
MOTION by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Chmm. Ketz, to SET SS 86-12
for a Public Hearing for Text Amendment at Staff's convenience.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
HEARINGS
Conuns. Di Monda, Marks, Suard, Chmn. Ketz
None
None
Conun Merl
CON 90-4 A REQUEST FOR A ONE-YEAR EXTENSION OF THE CONDITIONAL
USE PERMIT AND TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP #21950 FOR A 3-UNIT CONDOMINIUM
AT 1105 CYPRESS AVENUE.
Recommended Action: To grant six-month extension.
Mr. Schubach gave the Staff Report, noted an error discovered by
Staff correcting R-2 to R-3 property built to the 35-feet height
maximum. He noted an alternative of extending this issue to only
June or July, 1992. Comm. Marks and Mr. Schubach discussed the
benefits of filing and Code change impacts upon the project, if no
grandfathering is done. Comm. Di Monda suggested this item be
extended to June or July, 1992, to be consistent in the handling of
other similar projects.
Public Hearing opened by Chmn. Ketz at 10:29 p.m.
Cheryl Vargo, applicant's representative, encouraged a six-month
extension, stating three months was not adequate to record a map.
She stated the developer was not a large one, the building had a
14-foot slope, only a small portion of the building reached the
35-foot limit, the contractor hoped to start in the Fall, and with
a six-month extension, the applicant hoped to get the map recorded
and the project started.
Public Hearing closed by Chmn. Ketz at 10:30 p.m.
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Comm. Suard stated he had a problem in granting an extension when
the Commission had just stated such a height limit would be
inappropriate. Comm. Di Monda felt that since the other
applications had been extended to June 1992, this one should be
also.
A MOTION was made by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Chmn. Ketz, that
in order to be consistent with past practices, to RECOMMEND an
extension until June 30, 1992; at which point, another extension
could be granted based upon City Council's actions.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
_Comms. Di Monda, Marks, Chmn. Ketz
Comm. Suard
None
Comm. Merl
NR 92-2 AN EXCEPTION FROM SECTION 13-7(b) TO ALLOW AN ADDITION
OF A BEDROOM, BATH AND FAMILY ROOM WHICH RESULTS IN GREATER THAN
50% EXPANSION TO A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AT 1042 10TH STREET.
Recommended Action: To approve said request.
Mr. Schubach stated the applicant proposed a two-story attached
addition and noted the structure is nonconforming due to the
detached garage. He stated the addition was calculated to be 68%
of replacement value. He discussed the basic determinants and
factors of the proposal, noted ample available parking and
recommended approval.
Public Hearing opened by Chmn. Ketz at 10:35 p.m.
Art Dawson, 1042 10th Street, a long-time resident, explained the
current set back requirements and stated he could current
accommodate four off-street parked cars. He discussed neighboring
one-car garages with less parking space than he has and stated his
proposal was consistent with the neighborhood. He presented
documents signed by neighbors attesting to his statem~nts. •
Larry Highler, 580 21st Street, reminded the Commission Mr. Dawson
was not a large contractor and only wished to increase the area of
the structure to enhance the living space for his family. He
stated the parking was more than adequate.
Comm. Marks noted that if the house were sold, the addition could
be changed into an apartment and requested a covenant upon the
property. Mr. Schubach stated that was usually done by the
Building Department through the deed, but could be included as a
condition by the Commission.
Comm. Di Monda felt a three-foot distance should be maintained
between the family room and trash enclosure.
MOTION by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Suard, to APPROVE NR
92-2 with the addition of a covenant prohibiting changing a portion
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of .the structure into an apartment and maintenance of. a three-foot
space between the family room and the trash enclosure.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Di Monda, Marks, Suard, Chmn. Ketz
None
None
Comm. Merl
A break :was taken from 10:48 p.m. to 10:49 p.m.
SS 91-4 SPECIAL STUDY AND TEXT AMENDMENT REGARDING
RECONSTRUCTION OF NONCONFORMING BUILDINGS PARTIALLY DESTROYED
(CONTD. FROM APRIL 7, 1992 MEETING).
Recommended Action: To direct staff as deemed appropriate.
Mr. Schubach discussed the background of this item, noting this
item was a result of the building inspector's request to the City
Attorney for interpretation. Staff has examined the manner of
property value determination versus the method recommended by the
City Attorney; finding it a difficult situation. Staff felt the
method should remain the same or the City Attorney should re-
examine the issue.
Comm. Suard discussed the establishment of property value with Mr.
Schubach, commenting that he would like to see the value raised
from 50% to 75%, to which Chmn. Ketz disagreed, which resulted in
further discussion by the Commission. Comm. Di Monda requested a
comparison of numbers between current buildings and a hypothetical
ones using the 50% and the 75%. Mr. Schubach explained the
dynamics of land value and stated condominiums and apartments
would fall under the same rule.
Public Hearing opened by Chmn. Ketz at 10:55 p.m.
Gerald Compton, 1200 Artesia Blvd, discussed a six-unit building
that had burned down and was replaced with two units. He explained
the owner had had insurance to cover loss of structure and rents,
so the some of the costs were defrayed.
The Public Hearing was closed by Chmn. Ketz at 10:57 p.rn.
Comm. Di Monda felt there was a potential to take property value
away from the property owners and requested more information as to
how much it would be. Comm. Suard requested the actual percentage
applicable to the law suit relating to the six-unit complex
discussed by Mr. Compton, and how the percentage was calculated.
MOTION by the Commission to CONTINUE SS 91-4 to allow Staff to
obtain the requested information for presentation to the
Commission. No objections, so ordered.
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STAFF ITEMS
a. Planning Department priority list of studies.
Mr. Schubach stated grant monies could be obtained in F.Y. 1992 if
this project were slowed. The Staff is very close to completion,
with the most of the drafts completed. He explained current status
and actions relating to the public right-of-ways. He had.talked to
Community Resources regarding the Pier project and noted the
schedule was not clear,. with plan s to present the project to the
Planning Commission in June or July 1992. The Commission discussed
the project schedule dates, determining with Mr. Schubach that the
schedule was quite misleading.
The February 1992 Joint Meeting was discussed, including the lack
of resultant action.
Comm. Di Monda confirmed the City Council had voted to approve the
Commission's review of off-sale and on-sale of alcohol with respect
to Article 10. Mr. Schubach stated the requests of the Council and
Commission would be addressed at the same time, and should have
been noted in this report.
RECEIVE AND FILE.
b. Memorandum regarding Planning Commission liaison for April 28,
1992 City Council Meeting.
Comm. Di Monda stated he might possibly attend the meeting. Mr.
Schubach stated the Commission's recommendation would be submitted.
Staff was not opposing the Planning Commission.
RECEIVE AND FILE.
c. Tentative future Planning Commission agenda.
Chmn. Ketz stated a special study on the residential open space
will be addressed at the next scheduled meeting.
RECEIVE AND FILE.
d. City Council minutes of March 24, 26, 31, 1992.
RECEIVE AND FILE.
COMMISSIONER ITEMS
Comm. Di Monda referenced the previously reviewed 25% driveway
slope which was also a parking area (allowed by the Ordinance) and
the 14% slope with a four-foot blend. He discussed the problems
associated with slopes, type of vehicle to be used as a standard,
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how long should the blend be, to what does it blend, etc. Comm. Di
Monda discussed his conversation with Mr. Grove regarding this
problem with reference to specific projects. Comm. Di Monda noted
that a steeper-that-15% driveway is not precluded, but that it must
be reviewed by the Commission.
The Commission invited Mr. Gerald Compton to speak regarding this
item.
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Gerald Compton expressed his concerns relating to the -Yariance
aspect of this item, stated Variances are difficult or impossible
to obtain, stated that a 25% slope was unreasonable in certain
circumstances and requested that it be an "Exception" or a
"Condition"; not a "Variance". Comm. Di Monda felt that amount of
slope such be highlighted in the interests of safety, ~xpressing
concern relating to very steep driveways with no blends, to which
Comm. Marks agreed.
The Commission DIRECTED Staff to prepare a Resolution of Intent and
present it to the Commission at the next scheduled meeting.
MOTION by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Marks, to DIRECT Staff
to prepare a Resolution of Intent and present it for hearing at the
next scheduled Planning Commission meeting. No objections, so
ordered.
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Marks, to adjourn at
11:19 p.m. No objections; so ordered.
CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are a true and
complete record of the action taken by the Planning . Commission of·
Hermosa Beach at the regularly scheduled meeting of Apri-1 21, 1992 .
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Christine Ketz, Chairman Michael Schubach, Secretary
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