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MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF THE
CITY OF HERMOSA BEACH HELD ON JUNE 2. 1992. AT
7:00 P.M. IN THE CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Meeting called to order at 7:00 P.M. by Chmn. Merl.
Pledge of Allegiance led by Comm. Di Monda.
ROLL CALL
Present:
Absent:
Also Present:
CONSENT CALENDAR
Comms. Di Monda, Ketz, Marks, Chmn. Merl
Comm. Suard
Michael Schubach; Planning Director,
Edward Lee, Assistant City Attorney,
F. Paul Corneal, Building Inspector
Sylvia Root, Recording Secretary
Comm. Di Monda pulled the May 19, 1992 Minutes, requesting Page 7,
Paragraph 7, the conversation between himself and Mr. Terry be
almost verbatim. Comm. Di Monda stated Mr. Terry had written a
report in the Planning Commission's name which did not reflect the
vote the Commission had made, and he wanted this fact clearly
displayed in the minutes.
MOTION by Comm. Ketz, seconded by Comm. Di Monda to APPROVE
Resolution P.C. 92-10 and P.C. 92-29.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Di Monda, Ketz, Marks, Chmn. Merl
None
None
Comm. Suard
MOTION by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Ketz to APPROVE Minutes
of April 21, 1992.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Di Monda, Ketz, Marks, Chmn. Merl
None
None
Comm. Suard
COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC
No one wished to addressed the Planning Commission regarding
item not shown on the meeting agenda.
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PUBLIC HEARING
L-5 LEGAL DETERMINATION HEARING TO DETERMINE THE LEGALITY OF
ANY EXISTING SIX-UNIT APARTMENT LOCATED AT 1150 MANHATTAN AVENUE
(continued from April 21, 1992 meeting.).
Recommended Action: To determine said property to be legal for
five-unit apartment.
Mr. Paul Corneal, Building Inspector, gave the Staff Report,
stating the Building and Planning Department had not received any
additional rebuttal information during the continuance period. He
stated that department's opinion was the site was legal for a
five-unit apartment building.
Comm. Marks understood the property was legal for four units, to
which Mr. Corneal responded by describing the on-site buildings and
the five-unit legal status.
Public Hearing opened by Chmn. Merl at 7:07 p.m.
Ron Christianson, 2513 Harriman Lane, Redondo Beach, proper~y
manager, stated the property was purchased by the previous owner in
1965, with the current owner inheriting it in 1991, and title
information was impossible to obtain. He questioned the accuracy
of the real estate listing and referenced a July 1941 remodel
permit. He stated the unit could have been legal due to the change
in requirements over the years, no one was aware of what had been
done or told to the listing real estate agent. He felt that not
enough information was available to allow a legal determination at
this time. Comm. Marks stated the tax records would reflect the
property listing, to which Mr. Christianson stated it was shown as
a rumpus room, but that the unit had existed for over 30 years and
was now being questioned as a legal residence. Comm. Di Monda
stated an entire unit existed and questioned the purchase of that
property wi t h a real estate agent's disclosure of an illegal unit,
to which Mr. Christianson stated the owner who had purchased the
property 30 years ago was deceased and no pertinent facts are
available.
Public Hearing closed by Chmn. Merl at 7:15 p.m.
MOTION by Comm. Ketz, seconded by Comm. Di Monda, to DETERMINE the
property located at 1150 Manhattan Avenue to be legal for a five-
unit apartment building.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Di Monda, Ketz, Marks, Chmn. Merl
None
None
Comm. Suard
VAR 92-2 A VARIANCE TO ALLOW 250 SQUARE FEET ADDITION TO A
NON-CONFORMING TRIPLEX AT 336 THE STRAND AND ADOPTION OF AN
ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR SAID VARIANCE AT 336 THE
STRAND.
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Recommended Action: To deny requested variance.
Mr. Schubach described the current buildings, the history of
construction of those buildings, discussed the proposed addition,
noted the non-conforming use with only one parking space per unit
and noted the Staff Environmental Review Committee's belief that
there were no grounds for a variance. Mr. Schubach then described
the proposed addition and explained the non-conformities. He com-
mented the addition of a deck would provide additional open space,
the granting of the variance would not adversely effect the General
Plan or be materially detrimental or injurious and the parking was
sufficient for the Planning Commission to allow the 250 square feet
addition, but the variance was necessary due to the non-conforming
use. He stated the two issues for consideration were: ( 1) were
there grounds for a variance and (2) if a non-conforming use should
be allowed any expansion at all. He then explained the request
determinants and stated the applicant felt he would be gaining
rights the surrounding property owners currently have which impact
upon his property. Mr. Schubach noted the property currently has
the best access to ocean views ,and construction might result in
view obstruction of other properties.
Mr. Schubach stated denial is recommended to the the first finding
required for variances, in that Staff finds nothing exceptional or
unique about the property physical characteristics. The current
ordinance requires one unit on the property, which would restore
the applicant's rights he stated he is being denied. He noted the
number of existing area nonconformities and parking problems,
recommending denial of this application.
Public Hearing opened by Chmn. Merl at 7:22 p.m.
Ken McDonald, project architect, requested this item be continued
since only four Commission Members were present.
No one else wished to speak regarding this item, and at 7:24 pm,
after UNANIMOUS APPROVAL (4-0) by the Commission, Chmn. Merl
CONTINUED the public hearing to June 16, 1992.
CUP 92/9 CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AUTO REPAIR AT 1017
AVIATION, A.K.A. 1205 BONNIE BRAE, KING-BEAR AUTO CENTER.
Recommended Action: To approve said Conditional Use Permit.
~r. Schubach stated a C.U.P. is currently required with a temporary
operation agreement having been granted with the understanding that
,continued operation was pending the Commission's action. • He noted
the current business is located in a building that was used for
auto repair by the previous tenant and had adequate parking
facilities. Mr. Schubach noted the complaints received regarding
compressor noise emition, explained the applicant was willing to
provide soundproofing and a timer to eliminate compressor cycling
during business hours. He discussed Staff's concern regarding the
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lack of trash enclosure, an existing chain link/barbed wire fence
and the recommendation for new landscaping and hours of operations
of 8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Monday through Friday and 9:00 a.m. to
5:00 p.m. Saturdays.
Public Hearing opened by Chrnn. Merl at 7:26 p.m.
Bernard Robins, applicant, explained due to the lack of trash, he
wished to provide a small enclosure with four trash cans. At the
time of pick-up, the trash would be "bagged" and placed at the
curb. This would keep the large trash truck from entering the
property and preserve one parking space.
Mr. Robins noted the compressor had been on the property for 17
years, it used to be used for raising lifts but currently was only
being used for handheld tools and did not understand why complaints
were currently being received. The 5-hp, 80 gal. compressor is in
a separate metal building which will be soundproofed. He stated
the compressor could not be moved inside the building due to lack
of room or on the roof as a new steel structure would be required
to support the weight. Mr. Robins agreed to remove the barbed wire
but requested that the cyclone fence remain. He explained that an
additional wall was behind the fence and landscaping could not be
planted at the fence location. Landscaping was only at the front
of the building.
H. Finnenberg, property owner, purchased the property in 1973 and
had received a complaint regarding the compressor. He was told by
the City that he had only to make sure it did not start during the
night, which he did. He stated his wish to cooperate with the
complaining neighbor.
Mariano Alvarez, 1212 Ocean Drive, stated his bedroom is located
next to the compressor. He works nights and is continually
awakened by the compressor. He suggested the c9mpressor be
relocated.
Steve Slimmons, 1220 Ocean Drive, stated he was concerned about the
parking, in that the employees park on the street. He requested
that business parking be limited on Bonny Brae and redistributed to
other area streets. He stated that although he also hears the
compressor, that was not his primary concern.
Charles Ernst, interested party, stated soundproofing could be
place within the compressor room to satisfy Mr. Alvarez'. sleeping
problem. He felt the noise problem had been over exaggerated and
explained how the compressor worked and how often it "came on". He
,acknowledged it made noise when it was on, but stated it did not
turn on very often. He stated time and effort had put expended to
upgrade the facility and objected to the removal of the fence. He
requested that the hours of operation be changed on Saturdays to be
8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Comm. Marks suggested the compressor not be
turned on until 12:00 p.m., to which Mr. Ernst objected as it would
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not allow work to be accomplished prior to that time, expanding his
statements by explaining how a compressor worked. He reiterated a
sound retardant would be supplied in the compressor building and a
container would be built to assure trash would not be visible.
Comm. Marks and Mr. Ernst continued to discuss noise levels and
relocation of the compressor, with Mr. Ernst requesting that a
noise level reading be taken in order to establish the necessary
for relocation of the compressor.
Joan Richmond, no address given, challenged the right of the
Commission to force closure of businesses on Sundays. Mr. Lee
responded the imposed condition related to proper time, place and
manner, not prohibitions having to do with any religious require-
ments or functions.
Public Hearing closed by Chmn. Merl at 8:04 p.m.
Mr. Schubach explained an oversight had been made which was noted
in the Staff Report but not in the Resolution. The Standard
Conditions should include landscaping requirements as to the type
of materials to be placed in the on-site planter box and the
rear-building setback area plantings. He noted the barbed wire and
chainlink fence is not allowed by the Zoning Code. He requested
the addition of:
Condition 4. Landscaping shall be provided in the front, rear,
and existing planter box. Type of material shall be approved
by the Planning Director, and landscaping maintained.
by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Ketz, to APPROVE
recommendations with the requested change of Saturday
hours to 8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. and addition of Condition
MOTION
Staff's
business
No.4.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
STAFF ITEMS
Comins. Di Monda, Ketz, Marks, Chmn. Merl
None
None
ComIR. Suard
a. REQUEST FOR INTERPRETATION REGARDING AN YOUTH CENTER AS A
PROPOSED USE AT 329 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY.
Mr. Schubach explained Staff was seeking direction relating to this
;item. He explained the proposed business, noting the Code did not
, provide a category that "fit" this usage. He noted Code categories
1 that were close, but not exact. He asked if the use should be
added, defined and a Text Amendment initiated or if definition
should fall within the current categories. Comm. Marks discussed '
possible parking requirements with Mr. Schubach. Comm.
Di Monda suggested these activities might be located at the Com-
munity Center, noting the Community Center was available to provide
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this type of proposed activity, to which Comm. Ketz agreed.
Chmn. Merl invited Mr. Neiswonger to speak regarding this item.
Christopher Neiswonger, 13708 Cordarry, Hawthorne, stated the basic
business nature was a "coffee house" to which the Community Center
would not suffice, as this business will be open most days and
evenings, will cater to the late-teens, is not necessarily
religious in nature, will do counseling referrals, provide a place
to "hang out" other than the beach, will not serve drinks, but will
provide a form of entertainment (not staged events). He felt the
referral service · was necessary as a moral obligation. While not
being a major part of the business, nor sponsored by any youth
organization, it would offer a less hostile environment for the
younger people. Mr. Neiswonger stated he had never identified
himself with any youth organization, but rather a place for "kids"
to hang out prior to curfew and a place for adults after curfew.
Mr. Schubach noted caution is necessary regarding the allowance of
entertaining because it could be out of control.
Mr. Neiswonger responded to Mr. Lee's question by stating he
expected to be a "for profit" business, but that would be based
upon receipt of donations, only. Chmn. Merl noted to solicit
money, an organization must be established, to which Mr. Lee agreed
that a permitting process in terms of solicitation was required.
Mr. Neiswonger explained the property owner was willing to rent the
property to him at under market value, but declined to give names
and addresses of people that would support his efforts in this
endeavor, as he hadn't written them down. He discussed his reasons
for choosing Hermosa Beach as a site with Comm. Marks. Chmn. Merl
established that entertainment, per se, required a permit. Mr.
Schubach noted that Mr. Lee had suggested the business be
considered a "coffee shop". Comm. Ketz stated this operation
sounded similar to other coffee shops and shouldn't necessarily be
treated any differently. Comm. Di Monda stated the proposed
business was changing as Mr. Neiswonger was speaking and suggested
Mr. Neiswonger r econsider the nature of the business for represen-
tation to the Commission.
MOTION by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Ketz, to RECEIVE and
FILE. No objections, so ordered.
Comm. Di Monda suggested Mr. Neiswonger return to the Planning
Director at a later date with a definition of business which would
be more clear. Chmn. Merl's recommended that Mr. Neiswonger also
check the very strict and precise County requirements relating to
• donations and funding, which was outside the jurisdiction of the
,Commission.
b. STATUS REPORT REGARDING FENCE AT 151 HERMOSA AVENUE.
Staff was requested to continue follow up and initiate a
memorandum to the Commission every two weeks, assuring the
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Deputy City Manager is still in the process of writing the
property owner.
RECEIVE AND FILE.
c. PLANNING DEPARTMENT ACTIVITY REPORT OF APRIL, 1992.
RECEIVE AND FILE.
d. TENTATIVE FUTURE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA.
Chmn. Merl noted another item, as well as the issue regarding
336 The Strand, had been added to the proposed June 16, 1992
agenda.
RECEIVE AND FILE.
e. CITY COUNCIL MINUTES OF MAY 12 AND MAY 14, 1992.
RECEIVE AND FILE.
COMMISSIONER ITEMS
Comm. Di Monda requested the Planning Commission send a letter of
complaint to the City Manager regarding the De puty City En~ineer,
Mr. Terry, regarding the Beach Drive Parking r eport , in which Mr.
Terry admitted to putting information into the report which was his
opinion and not the Commission's opinion. Comm. Di Monda felt this
action was highly improper. Comm. Marks agreed with this requested
action. Comm. Ketz expressed her concern because the action had
taken place a year ago and Mr. Terry did not include the minutes
for review by the Commission. Mr. Schubach noted that a different
action had previously been taken to which Mr. Terry did not refer.
Mr. Schubach stated Mr. Terry had not been aware of that action,
and further, it was the final recommendation which Mr. Terry was
discussing. •
MOTION by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Marks, to DIRECT Staff
to send a letter of complaint to the City Manager. No objection,
so ordered.
Comm. Di Monda stated the Beach Drive Report still has not been
written.
MOTION by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Ketz, to DIRECT Staff
to send a letter of complaint to the City Ma nager asking him to
inform the Deputy Engineer that a high priority ·has been
established for this item, that the Deputy Engineer should work on
items sent to him by Council and Commissions prior to working on
self-sugges ted items, not the other way around. No objection, so
ordered. •
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Mr. Schubach commented it was his understanding that Mr. Terry haa
been awaiting the approved minutes from the previous Commission
meeting in order to obtain the information necessary to provide to
the City Council. However, it was indicated previously that
submittal to the Commission prior to the Council was requested. If
this could not be done, a memorandum to the Commission should have
been forthcoming; which was not done. Chmn. Merl stated that
historically, it has been problematic to get information or action
on the subject matter. The Commission wished to be expeditious in
dealing with this matter.
Comm. Di Monda discussed the possibility of meeting with the
Coastal Commission regarding the green belt issue. After
discussion, the Commission decided that Comm. Di Monda should
represent himself and not the Commission at such a meeting.
Comm. Marks discussed RUDAT, referenced the May 21, 1992, at the
Lighthouse. Comm. Ketz, who had attended the meeting, discussed
the actions of that meeting. She then referenced the City Council
liaison and discussed the L.A.T.C. Subregional Incentive Program
with Mr. Schubach.
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Chmn. Merl, to adjourn at
8:30 P.M. No objections, so ordered.
CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are a . true and
complete record of the action taken by the Planning Commission of
Hermosa Beach at the regularly scheduled meeting of June 2, 1992.
Rod Merl, Chairman
Date
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