HomeMy WebLinkAboutPC_Minutes_1992_12_01MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF THE CITY OF
HERMOSA BEACH HELD ON DECEMBER 1, 1992, AT 7:00 P.M. IN
THE CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Meeting called to order at 7:08 P.M. by Vice-Chinn. Di Monda.
Pledge of Allegiance led by Secretary Schubach.
ROLL CALL
Present:
Absent:
Also Present:
Comms. Marks, Suard, Vice Chmn. Di Monda
Comm. Oakes (arrived at 7:10 p.m.), Chmn. Merl
(arrived at 7:13 p.m.)
None
Michael Schubach; Planning Director,
Sylvia Root, Recording Secretary
CONSENT CALENDAR
Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of November 4, 1992,
Planning Commission Minutes of November 17, 1992,
Resolution P.C. 92-65 to approve a Parking Plan to allow less than
required parking, thereby allowing a chiropractor's clinic within
the Ocean Plaza office building at 2615 Pacific Coast Highway.
Resolution P.C. 92-66 approving a Conditional Use Permit to
authorize auto repair at 2212 Pacific Coast Highway ( Sola Motor
Works).
Comm. Suard pulled Resolution P.C. 92-67, requesting conditions be
included regarding canvas maintenance.
MOTION by Comm. Suard, seconded by. Comm. Marks, to_ APPROVE the
Minutes of November 4 and 17, 1992, and Resolutions P.C. 92-65 and
92-66.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comm. Marks, Oakes, Suard, Vice-Chmn. Di Monda
None
None
Chmn. Merl (arrived 7:13 p.m.)
Comm. Suard and Mr. Schubach discussed Resolution 92-67, determin-
ing adequate conditions were included regarding maintenance of all
canvas materials.
Resolution P.C. 92-67 approving a Conditional Use Permit and
Parking Plan to allow automotive service (paintless dent removal)
in conjunction with an office and to allow tandem parking, and
adoption of an Environmental Negative Declaration at 150_0 Pacific
Coast Highway_.
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MOTION by Comm. Suard, seconded by Vice-Chmn. Di Monda, to APPROVE
Resolutions P.C. 92-67.
AYES:
NOES:
Comm.·Marks, Oakes, Suard, Vice-Chmn. Di Monda
None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Chmn. Merl (arrived 7:13 p.m.)
Chmn. Merl assumed the Chairman position.
COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC
No one wished to speak regarding an item not placed on the Agenda.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
CUP 91-22 CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT TO ALLOW ON-SALE
GENERAL ALCOHOL, LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, 24-HOUR OPERATION AND TANDEM
PARKING FOR MOTORCYCLES, AND ADOPTION OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE
DECLARATION AT 1100 THE STRAND (continued from August 18th and
SeDtember 15, 1992 meetings).
Recommended Action: To deny the request.
Mr. Schubach outlined the previous reasons for continuance of this
application which included noise being created within a patio glass
enclosure with no sound proofing, police concerns regarding
allowance of 24-hour service, possible congestion resulting from
the take-out window and lack of commensurate parking facilities.
He stated a proposal to mitigate those concerns had not yet been
received by Staff, resulting in Staff's recommendation for denial.
Comm. Marks again requested that precise, to-scale drawings be
submitted by the applicant, requesting this be made a requirement.
Public Hearing opened by Chmn. Merl at 7:15 p.m.
Peter Mangurian, 5 2 11th Street, announced he would be a City
Council candi date next year. He apologized for the bar and street
noise, as well as corruption in the area, stating drug sales within
downtown and other parts of Hermosa Beach was being pro~ected. He
stated he was not selling drugs, nor "paying off". He felt air
conditioning was not necessary, stating that if the windows were
"cracked", it would become cold within the building. He stated he
would not need entertainment amplification. He said the statement
that he was not willing to limit the scope of expansion was a lie,
commenting he did not want the City's inability to rectify the
downtown problems to be taken out of him, as he had not created
them. He felt nothing would be done by the Police Dept. until the
City Council changed, noting he had called the Police Dept. many
times regarding noise, with no results. He said if his business
was going to be run decently, he needed help from the City.
When asked by Comm. Suard, Mr. Mangurian stated no one had asked
him to limit the scope of his request. Comm. Suard noted this
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request had been discussed in detail at the last Public Hearing on
this subject. Comm. Oakes confirmed that the applicant was still
requesting 24-hour take-out service, bar, dining, living enter-
tainment and tandem motorcycle parking. Mr. Mangurian explained
the bar could not remain open after 2:00 A.M. Comm. Oakes
expressed the Commission's concerns relating to noise, noting that
nothing had been done to correct it. Mr. Mangurian stated he did
not intend to have loud noise, he would keep the volume down.
However, he stated he could turn the volume up and asked what the
Commission would do about it. Comm. Oakes confirmed that nothing
in writing had been submitted regarding the plans of operation.
Mr. Mangurian stated the take-out service was basically for the
week ends and all operations would close no later than 2:00 A.M.
Mr. Mangurian stated the Commission members were politically
appointed and took orders from the people who appointed them. He
stated the Commission could give him the opportunity to help clean
up the downtown area or perpetuate the current drug problems
resulting from the City's policies. He noted that by his business
being a "dump", which was unnecessary, the adjacent residents'
properties depreciated by 10%. He suggested that maybe the Council
would be changed next year by the voters. Mr. Mangurian stated a
policeman had told him the downtown area would be cleaned up when
the Council gave its permission to do so. He felt one policeman
with one ticket book could clean up the downtown area and noted the
Commission had the power to help authorize that clean up. Mr.
Mangurian stated the problem was being perpetuated by design,
noting he lived with the problems on a daily basis and the police
did nothing about it. He discussed the lack of manageability of
people on drugs, noting the only way to stop the drug situation was
to change the Council.
Responding to Chmn. Merl, Mr. Mangurian stated he did not' want to
operate 24-hours per day, but wanted the possibility at a. later
date without having to go through the C.U.P. process.
No one else wished to speak regarding this item, and Chairman ·Merl
closed the Public Hearing at 7:29 p.m.
Comm. Suard stated the Commission had previously ·asked the
application be refined, with supplements, definition and narrowing
of the request for better understanding, which had not been done.
Comm. Suard, based upon the information before the Commission,
proposed the request be denied.
Chmn. Merl noted the difficulty in determining exactly what was
being proposed by the applicant, expressing concern regarding the
lack of clarity. Comm. Oakes felt the applicant had not made an
effort, as previously requested. Comm. Di Monda commented that the
City and Commission did not condone what was happening in the
downtown area, the Police Dept.'s refusal to issue tickets for
violations or any dealing in drugs. He noted the applicant was
asking for cart blanch to do whatever he wanted to, whenever he
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wanted, suggesting the applicant presented this issue and his other
problems to the City Council.
MOTION by Comm. Oakes, seconded by Comm. Suard, to APPROVE Staff's
recommendation to DENY the request.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comm. Di Monda, Marks, Oakes, Suard, Chmn. Merl
None
None
None
Chairman Merl stated this item was denied, subject to appeal to the
City Council within 10 days from the date of this meeting.
CON 92-8 CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT FOR REMODELING AND
ADDITION TO A CONDOMINIUM AT 49 AND 55 8TH STREET (continued from
November 4, 1992 meeting).
Recommended Action: To approve said Conditional Use Permit.
Mr. Schubach gave the Staff Report, noting the previous concerns
expressed, noting the applicant had responded to the Commission's
request by submitting correspondence which had been given to the
Commission. He noted the clear approval of the deck enclosure by
the property owner of 55 8th Street, even if it stands alone, and
clarified he could not commit to enclosing his own deck at the same
time. The owner: of #47 also e xpressed support. Mr. Schubach said
the Commission must review the merits of the request, understanding
only one balcony might be enclosed, and discussed the Condition
added by Staff. He then discussed a similar, previously-approved
project at 44 7th Street.
Comm. Suard discussed with Mr. Schubach the basis for the 1990
approval of the deck enclosure at 44 7th Street.
Public Hearing opened by Chmn. Merl at 7:35 p.m.
Kevin Jones, 49 8th Street presented a thorough disclosure document
and presentation, noting the efforts made in the preparation and
detailed the information of that report, design and supporting
documentation. He discussed the Homeowners Association's CC&R's,
definitions and rule-enforcement processes. Mr. Jones reviewed the
process of his application and presented a petition in support of
his project signed by local residents. He also discussed his
efforts to receive response and the lack of any response to his
requests and communications by the property owner of #53. Mr.
Jones also discussed recent precedents set on projects on 7th
Street and the front decks of his own building, which he felt were
rel evant to his project. He noted the person currently objecting
to his project had been a major beneficiary when the
front decks were enlarged, commenting the objection was that of one
single person, not representing the Homeowners Association quorum.
He reiterated 97% of his neighbors were pleased and strongly
supported his plans, feeling the project would be beneficial to the
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building and not affect the area. He stated he was willing to
remove a window from the plans, if the Commission so wished, but
felt a window on the third level was not necessary and was outside
the scope of his original request. He noted he would do whatever
was requested by the Commission. He also stating his design had no
impact on views, was consistent with the building design and should
be reviewed as an addition, by itself, and reiterated the approvals
of the neighbors and the Homeowners Association quorum.
Comm. Suard congratulated Mr. Jones on the excellent presentation
and documentation which addressed all the concerns previously
expressed by the Commission. He then discussed with Mr. Jones Ms.
McFarland's previous involvement in the design of the building and
her current support of Mr. Jones' plans. Comm. Marks discussed
with Mr. Jones particulars as to location of those residents who
had and had not signed the petition which Mr. Jones had presented.
Comm. Di Monda determined the project totaled 123 square foot,
being "about" 7 feet wide. Comm. Di Monda felt it would be less
than 7 feet, not meeting minimum room-size requirements. Mr.
Schubach stated the plans had been submitted for review, with no
comment having been received. In response to Comm. Marks inquiry,
Mr. Jones stated the adjacent homeowner was not in a financial
position to begin such a project.
Rigo Banuelos, 53 8th Street, commented upon the excellent
presentation by Mr. Jones, noting his concern was that both units
complete the proposed project at the same time. He stated Mr.
Jones had previously agreed to that condition and was taking
advantage of the fact that ownership had changed. He reiterated
his concerns regarding maintenance of building integrity and his
request that both units be enclosed at the same time. Mr. Banuelos
outlined the processes completed when his balcony was enlarged,
noted that both front balconies were completed together, and felt
the back ones should have the same requirement. Responding to
Comm. Oakes inquiry, he described the modification to the balconies
at the front of the building, which were completed . at the same
time. Comm. Di Monda determined the drawing he was reviewing was
incorrect, as it did not show the wrap-around balconies.
No one else wished to speak regarding this i tern, and ·chmn. Merl
closed the Public Hearing at 8:10 p.m.
Comm. Oakes and Mr. Schubach discussed open space requirements of
the entire building. Mr. Schubach stated open space was not an
issue in this application, which had 308 square feet.
Comm. Suard presented his concerns regarding the inadequate open
space requirements of the R-3 zone and suggested that City Council
address this issue in order for the Commission to obtain its sense
of direction. However, he did not wish to inconvenience the
property owner and acknowledged there was little opposition to the
project. He felt there was a deficiency in the Zoning Regulations.
Comm. Di Monda agreed, feeling that the 7th Street project should
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not have been allowed. Repeated enclosures would decrease
light and air which would decrease the area value. He felt
proposed room did not meet the minimum room-size requirements
expressed his opposition.
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MOTION by Comm. Marks, seconded by Chmn. Merl, to APPROVE this
Conditional Use Permit.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comm. Marks, Chmn. Merl
Comm. Di Monda, Oakes, Suard
None
None
Chairman Merl stated this item was denied, subject to appeal to the
City Council within 10 days from the date of this meeting.
CUP 92-25 CONDITIONAL USE PE RMIT TO ·AUTHORIZE AN EXISTING
GENERAL AUTO REPAIR SHOP AT 602 FIFTH STREET , BOB CREECH AUTO
REPAIRING.
Recommended Action: To approve said Conditional Use Permit.
Chmn. Merl excused himself from participation due to conflict of
interest and exited the Chambers. Vice-Chmn. Di Monda assumed the
position of Chairman.
Mr. Schubach stated the request would authorize the continued use
of the property for auto repair, subject to conditions and was
submitted in accordance with the amortization ordinance. He noted
R.V. repairs were conducted outside as R.V.'s would not fit into
the buildings. Outdoor work activity violated the zoning
ordinance. Mr. Schubach stated parts and equipment could not be
stored in required parking facilities or outside the main buildings
if not screened from the public. He described the condition of the
buildings and sheds, recommending a trash enclosure be provided and
detailed the recommended hours of operation. He stated the small
site is a good example of site inadequacy, noting the·business was
an existing development and discussed specific and standard
conditions to the C.U.P.
Public Hearing opened by Vice-Chmn. Di Monda at 8:24 p.m.
Ken Loomis, 602 5th Street, introduced himself and his business,
noting he had bought the property in 1979 after having worked there
many years. He continued with general repairs and had worked on
motorhomes since their introductio n in the mid-'50's. He explained
other businesses would not work on motorhomes, noting they could
not be worked on inside a building due to their size. Mr. Loomis
stated his customers had a problem with parking enforcement and
described the available area parking, requesting leeway for
short-term parking. Mr. Loomis addressed the conditions as
follows: ( 1) Everything he did is in violation to the zoning
ordinance since the M-1 Zone Use had been changed. Mr. Schubach
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confirmed the business had a "legal nonconforming" status, ( 2)
Could a portable shed be used in place of a block wall; could his
2-3 trash cans, drums and an occasional box be contained in his
building as he did not need a dumpster, (3) He objected to striping
the pavement, noting the city was responsible for repairs of the
cracked pavement in the public right-of-way, (4) He suggested his
current storage shed be repaired, not replaced or painted, ( 5)
Vehicles sometimes remained on site until the repairs were paid,
(6) It was not possible to do all work inside the building due to
the size of the R.V. 's, nor to complete estimates in a 15-minute
time period, (7) He asked if the Commission expected him to buy car
covers for the motor homes and felt the 72-hour limit was
unrealistic, (8) A bell on his telephone was necessary so he could
hear it when he was outside the shop, and (9) his signs had been on
the building since it was built.
Mr. Loomis stated he had received the notice the day prior to
Thanksgiving, which gave him no time to review and discuss the
conditions with Staff. He stated his trash was located out of view
at the back of the lot, but that he would like to clearr the area
and make it more usable. Comm. Marks and Mr. Loomis discussed
parking in the front area, with Mr. Loomis stating customers would
not park their R.V. 's immediately next to the building. Comm.
Marks suggested Mr. Loomis discuss his suggestions regarding the
sheds with the Planning Dept.
Comm. Di Monda suggested Mr. Loomis meet with Staff to resolve the
issues and his questions. He felt a dumpster was a Municipal Code
requirement, which was outside the jurisdiction of the Commission;
the metal shed, storing of vehicles and striping of the lot could
be discussed with Staff. Comm. Di Monda explained the reason for
some of the other conditions being included, noted those
requirements which were outside the Commission's jurisdiction and
noted that Condition 14 should read " ... no exterior .bells,
buzzers ... " Mr. Schubach agreed clarity of Condition 14 was needed
and agreed that many of the items could be resolved or explained to
the applicant. •
Rick Bernstein, 519 5th Street, presented letters of support from
neighboring residents. He stated the business is a goo_d and
supportive neighbor, with recycling of materials, little noise or
dirt. He felt the business was of benefit to the area.
Marvin May, 2230 The Strand , 20 year resident, stated the
Commission should be reas onable since the business had been at that
location for over 50 years and the residents had grown around it.
He stated Bob Creech Auto Repairing was a good neighbor.
No one else wished to speak regarding this item, and Vice-Chmn. Di
Monda closed the Public Hearing at 8:36 p.m.
Vice-Chmn Di Monda stated he agreed with the testimony, the
business had been in its location a long time, the neighborhood had
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changed and the Commission would continue an issue such as this to
allow resolution to everyone's satisfaction.
MOTION by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Oakes, to CONTINUE this
application to February 2, 1993, to allow the applicant to discuss
solutions and resolutions to the items in questions, and DIRECTED
Staff to meet with the applicant to work out those details.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
A break was
the meeting
seated.
Comm. Di Monda, Marks, Oakes, Suard
None
Chmn. Merl
None
taken from 8:52 to 9:00 p.m.
and reconvened the meeting
Chmn. Merl returned to
with all Commissioners
CUP 92-20 CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE AN. EXISTING
GENERAL AUTO REPAIR SHOP AT 525 CYPRESS AVENUE, JOHNSON'S BRAKE.
Recommended Action: To approve said Conditional Use Permit.
Mr. Schubach stated Staff had not found the business to be a source
of any problems, with no complaints received. The shop performed
only brake repairs by appointment, with only one repair space being
utilized. Staff was concerned with the risk of intensification of
the site and included conditions to ensure the same level of
operation into the future. He discussed the opportunity to combine
trash receptacles with neighboring properties being offered to the
applicant.
Public Hearing opened by Chmn. Merl at 9:03 p.m.
Albert Castillon, 525 Cypress Avenue, agreed with the Staff Report
except, due to the lack of work, "drive-in" vehicles are. being
accepted. He stated he repairs three cars per day. He stated he
did intend to use at least one more spot for cars. He stated he
did not have a trash bin; he used his neighbors.
Comm. Oaks suggested and the Commission agreed to change the
requirement to " ... or a maximum of three cars ... " Mr. Schubach
noted the provisions enabling Mr. Castillon to add additional
parking and space and agreed that two small businesses could share
trash receptacles.
No one else wished to speak regarding this item, and Chmn. Merl
closed the Public Hearing at 9:07 p.m.
Comm. Di Monda requested Condition 12 be amended to read, " ... no
exterior bells ... " or similar appropriate terminology be used and
Item 1. (a) shall read, "Repair work activity shall be limited to a
maximum of three vehicles.", to which the Commission agreed.
Mr. Schubach stated Condition 12 should read, "There shall be no
bells, buzzers, or similar apparatus that can be heard beyond the
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property line." This particular condition will be changed in
C.U.P.'s in a uniform manner.
MOTION by Comm. Oakes, seconded by Comm. Marks, to APPROVE CUP
92-20 with the addition of the changes as discussed.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comm. Di Monda, Marks, Oakes, Suard, Chmn. Merl
None
None
None
Chairman Merl stated this item was approved subject to appeal to
the City Council within 10 days from the date of this meeting.
CUP 92-21 CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE AN EXISTING
AUTOMOTIVE TOP AND UPHOLSTERY BUSINESS AT 619 PACIFIC COAST
HIGHWAY, GEORGE & AL'S AUTO TOP SHOP.
Recommended Action: To approve said Conditional Use Permit.
Mr. Schubach stated this was similar to the previous item, the same
conditions had been provided. He noted a potential security
problem between the two buildings and suggested a fence be
installed. The condition regarding a trash container could be
modified if the applicant could place his trash inside the building
and such storage met the Municipal Code.
Public Hearing opened by Chmn. Merl at 9:12 p.m.
Ralph Werneli, 1617 Beach Avenue, Torrance, found no problem with
most of the conditions, agreed to install a gate or fence, but
questioned the required manner of parking area resurfacing. Mr.
Schubach stated a skincoat, repair of potholes and restriping would
be sufficient. Mr. Werneli stated his 2-3 cans of trash are kept
inside the building at all times until picked up. He stated
placing an enclosure outside would be difficult for the trash truck
to pick up and requested this condition be deleted.
No one else wished to speak regarding this item, and Chmn. Merl
closed the Public Hearing at 9:14 p.m.
Comm. Di Monda requested that Condition 12 be standardized, as
previously discussed during this meeting, to which Mr. Schubach
agreed. Responding to Comm. Di Monda, Mr. Schubach stated the "15
minutes time limitation for estimates" was a standard requirement
and had been acceptable to other mechanics in the past.
Comm. Oakes questioned Condition 7, the ·agreement regarding trash
containment. Mr. Schubach explained the applicant wished to store
his containers inside his building; Staff recommended he comply
with Municipal Code, as it was not a major contributor to outside
debris. Comm. Oakes requested this condition be change to state
the applicant may maintain his trash receptacles within his -build-
ing if such storage meets Code and Building Dept. requirements.
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MOTION by Comm. Oakes, seconded by Comm. Marks, to APPROVE CUP
92-21 with the changes noted.
AYES:
NOES:
Comms. Di Monda, Marks, Oakes, Suard, Chmn. Merl
None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: None
Chairman Merl stated this item was approved subject to appeal to
the City Council within 10 days from the date of this meeting.
CUP 92-15 CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR
REPAIRS, PARTS AND ACCESSORIES, AND ADOPTION
NEGATIVE DECLARATION AT 828 PACIFIC COAST
CYCLES.
MOTORCYCLE SALES,
OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL
HIGHWAY, SOUTH BAY
Recommended Action: To approve said Conditional Use Permit and
adopt the Environmental Negative Declaration.
Mr. Schubach stated a public notice to residents within a 300-feet
radius had been completed, but the property lines used were based
on the legal description provided. The adjacent parking lot is not
indicated as owned by the same property owner. The City Attorney
has indicated the parking lot must be included. Approximately a
dozen property owners must be also notified. The public hearing
can be continued to a date certain, or testimony may be heard at
this meeting with a tentative approval recorded and continuation of
the public hearing to a future date for the purpose of noticing.
Mr. Schubach then gave the Staff Report, described the proposed
relocation and business remodeling and operations. He stated a
lift was proposed to lower the cycles from the parking lot to the
floor below. Staff did not cons i der the change in sales to be an
intensification of the use, but did not believe the proposed
employee parking stall location acceptable or necessary. ·Since the
~roposal is essentially the same as that approved by.City Council
in 1991, Staff recommended the same or similar conditions be
applied. Mr. Schubach then defined the additional recommended
Conditions. With the recommended mitigating conditions,. Staff did
not object to the proposal. Responding the Comm. Di Manda's
question, Mr. Schubach stated motorcycles could be brought into the
building from Pacific Coast Highway through the front door, but was
precluded since there was no curb cut. Chmn. Merl confirmed the
action options open to the Commission.
Public Hearing opened by Chmn. Merl at 9:26 p.m.
Jack Wood, 200 Pier Avenue, Ste. 38, stated the applicants had no
particular objection to the conditions -of approval and submitted a
letter acknowledging the problems of incomplete noticing. He
stated the business had performed well enough for the Council to
waive its 6-month review procedures. Mr. Wood explained that the
partners were . splitting, with Miko purchasing the property arid
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becoming a partner. Mr. Wood explained the State had no compelling
reason to allow a curb cut on the State highway and the City
prohibited the cycles traversing the sidewalk. Be explained the
method of moving the cycles using an electric-powered forklift.
He noted a unique opportunity was present since the business had
previously operated under the CUP for an extended period of time,
and no one had complained about the business in the past. He
described the type of customers and their bikes, summarizing that
Hermosa Beach could use more businesses such as this. Comms. Di
Monda, Oakes and Mr. Wood discussed various methods considered
relating to the motorcycles' entrance into the building, as well as
the associated traffic and noise problems. Comm. Marks requested
plans that displayed grade elevations. Mr. Woods objected to the
request as not having been required.
Mr. Woods stated the Building Dept. had withheld permit approval
until after the Planning Commission meeting. He requested communi-
cation to the Building Dept. stating the Commission had no objec-
tion to the applicant assuming all liability and a permit being
issued, so that construction on the handicapped bathroom facilities
and display room could begin. Messrs. Woods, Schubach and the
Commission discussed the applicants construction plans and the
problems experienced in obtaining the permit.
Dale McClinton, 940 8th Place, stated the character of the
neighborhood had not changed, but noted the area was less desirable
due to the increase in traffic on 8th Place and the resultant
vehicular noise., He requested multiple restrictions to ~educe the
noise levels of traffic and motorcycles which would result: 1)
instructions should be given to employees as well as meetings being
held, 2) customers are to be told to not test vehicles on rocal
streets, and 3) access must be from Pacific Coast Highway. Comm.
Di Monda responded Mr. McClinton' s suggestions which were
appropriate were already included in the CUP. Mr. McClin~on felt
that considerable changes had been made to the original CU~. Mr.
Woods invited Mr. McClinton to tour the proposed location in order
to address his concerns.
Jerry Snyder, 710 Hermosa Avenue, supported the application. He
felt that Miko was sensitive and considerate to the residents, with
the business contributing to the area and community.
John Granacki, 8th Street, disagreed that the operation was quiet.
He stated 8th Street had a lot of traffic noise, which was like a
canyon which echoed and vibrated. He objected to doubling the
volume if two CUP's for motorcycle shops existed. He discussed the
noise generated by motorcycles and objected to another CUP being
issued.
Jean McGreevy, 8th Place, 40-year resident, saw many problems for
the local and longtime residents if the CUP were approved. She
felt the location of that business in a residential areas would be
an ongoing nuisance to long-time residents. She discussed baffling
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the motorcycles, construction of a 6-feet block wall, planting of
trees for buffering, limiting the types of repairs, parking code
violation, need for security guards, the view of the parking lot.
She stated her neighbor will be disturbed by the vehicles in the
parking lot and the accidents on 8th and 9th Streets will increase
and should be considered.
Burt Sourer, 844 9th Street, 30-year resident, objected to
receiving the notice one day before a holiday and the week end,
feeling the notification system was defective. He opposed approval
of the CUP, noting that about two accidents happen a week on 9th
Street. He requested this issue be continued to allow neighborhood
participation at the meeting.
Joanne Hall, 830 8th Place, owns the property adjacent to the
parking lot. She objected to construction of the six-feet wall
because she would then be "closed in" and the parking lot would
still be under her window. She felt her property would decrease in
value if the CUP were approved.
-Phil McGreevy, 840 8th Place, felt the business should not be
located in the residential area, objecting to the noise created by
the motorcycles. He felt prospective buyers would not buy these
homes if a motorcycle repair shop were located next to the houses.
Beverly Wood, 940 8th Place, stated she disagreed with Mr.
Schubach. She stated 8th Place is a narrow street, of which two
cars cannot pass if a car is parked at the curb. _She felt a
traffic study should be conducted, expressed her concern that a CUP
currently exists and another might be issued which would result in
increased noise levels and unsafe conditions for pedestrians. She
noted a correction: signs should be placed on 8th Place, not 8th
Street. She also objected to the signs placed in the winddw of the
proposed site, the tile removed from the building and the. sense
that some sort of approval had already been received by the
applicant.
Mr. Schubach stated the new proposed CUP had been changed. Staff
could reword the conditions for clarity, if the Commission so
wished. Comm. Di Monda suggested the "old language" in Condition
17 be incorporated, to which Mr. Schubach agreed. Comm. Oakes
suggested the condition referencing the manner of "loading" be
deleted. Mr. Wood explained the only truck that would be loading
would be a "wrecker", which is little larger than a pick-up truck.
Ms. Wood, requested that Condition 24 be included in th~ new CUP.
Mr. Schubach stated this was not a necessary requirement, but that
it could be included. Ms. Wood referenced Condition 25, requested
that it be included, also, to which Mr. Schubach agreed. She
discussed the six-feet fence and driveway modification, requesting
the residents and a petition signed by 62 residents be considered
when the Commission makes its decision.
Howard Longacre, 1221 7th Place, stated the only problem he had was
with noise, asked if the noise ordinance was actively enforced,
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were there records, and commented upon the levels of noise
currently within his residential area. He stated he had no
problems with two-wheel vehicles, but suggested a moratorium until
the noise issue was settled.
Leslie Beal, 920 8th Place, asked if the curb on the north side
could be painted red and that the employees could be prohibited
from parking on 8th Place, feeling it would become too congested.
Greg Tucker, 850 8th Place, said the motorcycles cost about
$30,000, felt 8th Place was a very dangerous street and noted the
complaints stated were to deflate the traffic problems on 8th
Place, not to prevent the applicant from doing business. He
requested that a traffic study be conducted.
Rebuttal
Lars Viklund, 223 Avenue B, Redondo Beach, applicant, felt the
business would not contribute to the noise problem, noting the
neighbors of his current shop had never complained. He stated
noise studies had been conducted , with no problem. He said that he
considered all the neighbors and hoped the neighbors considered
him. He stated his customers did read the signs and were
considerate of the neighbors.
Jack Wood stated the business had operated over one year without
complaints being received. He noted the applicants had no
objections to the proposed conditions, misunderstanding about the
block wall was evident, signs would be posted, customers would not
be allowed to go up 8th Street and were not interested in going up
and down 8th Place, show bikes would not enter under their own
power. He invited the residents to tour the store and see the
signs. He reiterated his request that the Building Dept. be told
the Commission had no objection to the restrooms being constructed.
Miko Sorrobi, applicant, invited the neighbors to visit and see the
type of business he has, requested his business be allowed to open
and, if he is not a good neighbor, then close him down. He stated
it was not fair to be accused of something that he had not done
yet. He stated he was a good neighbor and wanted to conduct his
business.
No one else wished to speak regarding this item, and Chmn. Merl
continued the Public Hearing at 10:40 p.m.
The Commission again discussed its options for action with Mr.
Schubach. Comm. Oakes suggested the applicant obtain a permit for
existing use improvements, keeping this separate from this issue.
Comm. Di Monda confirmed with Mr. Woods that Mr. Grove, Building
Dept. had been Mr. Woods contact. Mr. Woods asked the Commission
to state that it did not have any objection to tenant improvements
as long as they did not imply approval of the CUP, stating he
believed he could then solve the a pplicants' problem. He noted the
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bathroom would take at least 30 days to build, which should not be
wasted. Comm. Di Monda stated he would like the Commission to send
a letter to the City Manager telling him the Commission wished Bill
Grove would enforce the rest of the Municipal Code with· the same
enthusiasm that he seems to use in denying what appeared to be the
rights of the applicants, who wish to improve existing tenant space
at their own risk. Comm. Di Monda stated he did not understand why
the Building Dept. could not enforce the sign ordinance, the
ordinance against barbed wire and other items, as well.
Responding to Comm. Oakes questions, Mr. Wood stated the previous
property owner had signed the building permit application and a fee
was accepted. Mr. Wood said he did not wish a problem to be
created, as Mr. Grove was one of the more cooperative Building
Directors of any of the cities Mr. Wood had dealt with. Comm.
Oakes confirmed that the action was simply tenant improvement,
feeling the applicant should be able to simply submit a bathroom
plan to obtain the permit. Mr. Wood stated he had previously done
exactly that; although the check was accepted, no permit was issued
even though it has been through plan check and the corrections
finished.
The Commission then discussed the possible actions it should take,
with Comm. Di Monda stating the Building Dept. had no right to deny
the permit, if the applicant was willing to take the risk. Mr.
Wood again asked a letter be sent indicating that the Planning
Commission that it had no problems with someone doing tenant
improvements to an existing use, provided it did not imply that the
CUP was approved and the applicant understood he was accepting all
the risk. Chmn. Merl and Comm. Oakes felt the Commission should
have no problem with the issuance of such a letter as long as it
was understood no presumption of rights were given and it was not
part of the CUP. Comm. Marks objected, stating he thought Bill
Grove should be given the opportunity to respond. Chmn. Merl
thought the posture taken by the Commission was appropriate,
although it would be interesting to find out what·· Mr. Grove's
objections were. Comm. Di Monda stated that if the statements made
were correct, Mr. Grove was not doing his job and was making
policy. Comm. Oakes stated the Commission could state that anyone
could go into any building, pull a permit for the same use and the
Commission would have no objection, since this was self evident.
Comm. Marks objected to an interim statement being made, to which
Comm. Oakes disagreed, stating it would not be an interim
statement. The Commission agreed to send the letter, noting the
one objection, while also inviting Mr. Grove to respond to the
Commission.
Comm. Oakes discussed with Mr. Schubach the various actions to be
taken by the residents and the Commission to improve street safety
on 8th Place. Comm. Oakes asked that a memorandum be directed to
the Traf fie Engineer and Public Works Dept., asking that they
examine any problems resulting from the issue of people traveling
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the street and/or parking, if a red curb along Casey's side of the
street should be installed due to the difficulty of the inter-
section. Chmn. Mer l summarized the request by requesting that
comment be made by the Traffic Engineer relative to the circula-
tion problem. Comm. Suard felt the Commission should also direct
Staff-to address the additional concerns expressed. Mr. Schubach
stated Staff would send a memorandum to the City Manager, which
would be directed to the Public Works Dept., with the Traffic
Engineer being requested to examine the matter and concerns.
Comm. Di Monda felt it was a reasonable request by the residents
and could be treated as a separate issue, to which Comm. Oakes
agreed. Mr. Schubach discussed the conditions in the original CUP
that had been deleted, including addressing muffler noises, stating
he would investigate the deletions and re-enter any necessary
conditions. Comm. Di Monda stated the requirement for employee
signatures had been removed from all CUP' s, which should remain
deleted.
Comm. Suard requested 1) a copy of the letter referenced in prior
Condition 25 (page 3, noise study), 2) more information as to how
the noise from Harley Davidsons are determined to be excessive, 3)
whether it would be possible to condition that all vehicles leaving
the shop must meet the noise standards, 4) information regarding
any complaints to the Police Dept. , 5) accident records for the
southern end of Pacific Coast Highway to see if 8th Street does
have more accidents that the others and 6) Staff is to question the
current property owner behind the shop to find out if there are any
current noise problems.
MOTION by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Marks, to CONTINUE CUP
92-15 to January 5, 1993.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
HEARING
Comms. Di Monda, Marks, Oakes, Suard, Chmn. Merl
None
None
None
CON 90-8 --REOUEST FOR ONE-YEAR EXTENSION OF A CONDITIONAL USE
PER1"1:IT AND VESTING TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP #22100 FOR A TWO-UNIT
CONDOMINIUM AT 626 7TH STREET.
Recommended Action: To grant a six-month extension.
Mr. Schubach stated Staff recommended a six-month extension for the
CUP and tentative parcel map by minute order. The applicant
continued to experience financial difficulties and requested an
extension. Mr. Schubach described the proposed project and noted
the Commission could extend the expiration date for a tentative map
for a period up to three years, ending June 19, 1993. Staff had
found nothing in the overall project design to cause reason for
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denial. Comm. Marks observed the original approval was given at
least 2 1/2 years ago and objected to granting another extension.
Mr. Schubach stated the proposed project did meet all of today's
standards.
Chmn. Merl invited audience participation. No one wished to speak
on this subject.
MOTION by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Suard, to APPROVE
Staff's recommendation to grant the requested six-month extension.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Di Monda, Oakes, Suard, Chmn. Merl
Comm. Marks
None
None
Chairman Merl stated this item was approved subject to appeal to
the City Council within 10 days from the date of this meeting.
TEXT 92-4 --TEXT AMENDMENT REGARDING ESTABLISHMENT OF REQUIRE-
MENTS FOR OR TO PROHIBIT SECOND UN I TS PURSUANT TO STATE GOVERNMENT
CODE 65852.2 (referred back from the November 10, 1992 City Council
meeting.
Recommended Action:
appropriate.
To recommend to the City Council as deemed
Mr. Schubach noted supplemental information (altered wording, as
requested by the City Attorney) had been included in the Commis-
sioners' packets. Mr. Schubach out l ined the history of the
progress of this item through the Commission and Council. The
Council referred this item back to the Commission, as required by
law, for the Commission's comments on totally prohibiting second
units. He then detailed Staff's three recommended proposals and
the City Council 's recommendations. He stated that Staff recom-
mended proposal #3, with Alternative #A, as it was all encompassing
and the City Attorney had approved the terminology.
Comm. Di Monda asked if Staff could include in Page 2 of ~he report
the traffic volume on Pacific Coast Highway and what would happen
to this highway if almost 3,000 more units were allowed. Also, he
wished included what the statistics would be with 17,500 trips per
day, mentioning quantity of different air particulants. Mr.
Schubach stated Staff had looked into this and explained the
factors that would need to be included in the formulas that must be
used. He suggested that Staff supply a sample, which Comm. Di
Monda thought would be important information, since the City was
already in violation of E.P.A. and Federal requirements. Comm. Di
Monda also commented upon the increase in trash and the decrease in
available land fill, which should be addressed in this report on
Page 3. Page 4 should also mention the development pattern within
the City;
where old buildings are built on the lot lines and present
associated problems for Police and Fire Depts.
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Comm. Suard discussed the lack of any mention of increased parking
problems with Mr. Schubach, who acknowledged this was a difficult
~roblem. Comm. Suard felt allowance of additional units would
increase the current parking problems. He stated his support of
proposal #3, and suggested an addition to the last line to read,
" ... immediately and/or retroactively ... ".
Chmn. Merl invited audience participation.
Howard Longacre, 1221 7th Place, stated his support of proposal #3.
Responding to Mr. Longacre' s 9uestion, Mr. Schubach stated that
three cities had adopted similar programs. Mr. Longacre felt
residents were currently "packed like sardines".
No one else wished to speak on this subject.
MOTION by Comm. Di Monda, seconded by Comm. Suard, to APPROVE
Staff's Recommendation #3, but with the proposal previously
approved by the Commission to serve as the back-up, contingency
proposal. If Recommendation #3 is refused by the State, this
back-up p ropos al is to be immediately and/or retroactively applied.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
STAFF ITEMS
Comms. Di Monda, Marks, Oakes, Suard, Chmn. Merl
None
None
None
Chmn. Merl announced that due to the extended duration of this
meeting, the following Staff Items would be continued to. the next
Planning Commission meeting:
a. Report from the City Treasurer regarding sales and use tax.
b. Memorandum regarding the City Council/Planning Commission joint
meeting.
c. Planning Department activity report of October, 1992!
d. Tentative future Planning Commission agenda.
e. Memorandum regarding Planning Commission liaison for December
1, 1992 City Council meeting.
f. City Council minutes of November 10, 1992.
COMMISSIONER ITEMS
Comm. Suard .wished to add to the "Staff Items" agenda items that
were previously discussed, which included: 1) communications
between the City Council and Planning Commission, 2) the hotel, 3)
the use of the Planning Commission, 4) greenbelt parking. Mr.
Schubach stated those items related to Land Use and RUDAT had been
included. Both subjects covered many subjects and would.take a
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great deal of time to thoroughly discuss, to which Chmn. Merl
agreed. Comm. Di Monda suggested that another meeting with the
City Council be scheduled. The Commission agreed that increased
communications were necessary and requested the items be
agendized.
Comm. Marks asked the status of public park and right-of-way along
Beach Drive. Mr. Schubach said the subcommittee was still active,
but had not decided upon a conclusion at this time.
Comm. Di Monda stated the Building Director had requested a letter
from the City Attorney authorizing the removal of the barbed wire,
which is not allowed by Municipal Code. Comm. Di Monda requested a
memorandum to the City Attorney which requested a letter authoriz-
ing the removal of the wire be directed to the Building Director
from the City Attorney. Comm. Di Monda also requested a memorandum
to the City Manager requesting a reminder be written by the City
Manager to the Police Chief stating the police do not seem to be
<JOing through the greenbelt parking lot, which has overnight park-
ing of vehicles. Comm. Di Monda also requested a very specific
memorandum be sent to the Building Director pertaining to the
Lighthouse CUP which is going to appear before the Commission.
This memo should ask, under the '91 UBC, what is 1.a) the occupancy
load of that type of use group, what is the use group and what are
the exiting requirements (both corridor and exit door widths in
inches. ) Be requested the exact size requirements in inches of
these exits based upon occupancy and load, and what the exact size
of the corridor and exit door as they exist at this time. Comm. Di
Monda requested another memorandum be sent to the City Manager
noting that at 542 The Strand, a permitted curb cut and apron, as
well as an illegal parking lot has been installed. The permit had
been issued in July 1992. Comm. Di Monda stated he understood no
parking permits were to have been issued; a permit should not have
been issued to allow cutting a curb on City property. He wished an
explanation as to how such a permit was issued.
Comm. Oakes asked the status of tree trimming in the greenbelt
area. Mr. Schubach stated this issue had been discussed, with the
determination made that certain trees could not be trimmed, as they
would be traumatized and die. The greenbelt area has been cleaned
of mattresses, etc. The police have been requested to patrol that
area.
Howard Longacre, 1221 7th Place, stated the Cable split channel was
functioning. He announced the meeting was being shown live and
would be replayed Wednesdays and Fridays at noon. The agendas are
being shown by Multivision on Thursday and Friday evenings.
ADJOURNMENT
The Commission adjourned at 11:37 p.m. No objections; so ordered.
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CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are a true and
complete record of the action taken by the Planning Commission of
Hermosa Beach at the regularly scheduled meeting of December 1,
1992. P ~ ~~~L ~
Rod Merl, Ch~ Michael' Schubach, Secretary
l-19-f/J
Date
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