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MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF HERMOSA BEACH HELD ON AUGUST 3,
J. 1982, IN THE CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 7:30 P.M.
Meeting called to order at 7:35 p.m.
PRESENT: Commissioners Cummings, Loosli, Peirce, Rue, Shapiro
Chairman Izant
ABSENT: Commissioner Smith
STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT: Pamela Sapetto, Planning Director
Alfred Mercado, Assistant Planner
Ralph Castenato
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
COMMISSIONER PEIRCE moved, seconded by COMMISSIONER RUE
THAT THE MINUTES OF THE JULY 20, 1982 MEETING BE APPROVED,
NOTING THAT THE TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS SHOULD BE CONSOLIDATED
INTO ONE SET OF MINUTES, AND THAT THE VOTES BE REFLECTED
THERE BEING NO OBJECTION, THE CHAIRI'-'.IAN SO ORDERED
APPROVAL OF RESOLUTIONS
COMMISSIONER RUE moved, seconded by COMMISSIONER PEIRCE
AYES:
NOES:
TO APPROVE RESOLUTIONS NO. 82-23, 82-24, 82-25, and 82-26
AS SUBMITTED, NOTING THAT THE VOTE SHOULD BE ADDED TO EACH
OF THESE RESOLUTIONS
Commissioners Cummings, Peirce, Rue, Shapiro, Chmn. Izant
None
ABSENT: Commissioner Smith
ABSTAIN: Co:rmnissioner Loosli
PUBLIC HEARINGS
2605 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT,; 1TENTATIVE TRACT
MAP NO. 32528 FOR A 12-UNIT COMMERCIAL CONDOMINIUM CONVERSION
Staff report was given by Mr. Mercado. He noted that the project complies
with all requirements of the conversion ordinance, with the exception
of the laundry facilities, storage requirements, and separate utility
shut-off systems. Staff recommends that this project be exempted
from the laundry facilities and storage space requirements, as such
provisions were designed for residential projects. The requirement
for separate utilities with shut-off systems can be met by requiring
such installation within sixty days of close of escrow.
Public hearing opened 7:45 p.m.
Fran Baker, Triad Engineering, 200 Pier Avenue, spoke on behalf of
the applicant. She stated that condominiums provide for continuous
maintenance, tenant stability and better quality of business in the
city.
As no one else wished to speak, the public hearing was closed at 7:50 p.m.
2605 Pacific Coast Highway (continued)
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS moved, seconded by COMMISSIONER SHIPIRO
TO APPROVE TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NO. 32528 AND A CONDITIONAL
USE PERMIT FOR A CONDOMINIUM CONVERSION AT 2605 PACIFIC
COAST HIGHWAY, WITH THE DELETION OF CONDITION NO. 2 FROM
THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION
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AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Cummings, Loosli, Peirce, Rue, Shapiro, Chmn. Izant
None
ABSENT: Commissioner Smith
R~SOLUTION NO. 82-27 ADOPTED
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS moved, seconded by COMMISSIONER SHAPIRO
THAT RESOLUTION NO. 82-27 BE ADOPTED, WITH THE EXCEPTION
OF CONDITION NO. 2 (REQUIREMENT FOR SMOKE DETECTORS)
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Commissioners Cummings, Loosli, Peirce, Rue, Shapiro, Chmn. Izant
None
Commissioner Smith
AMENDMENT TO SECTION 1167 OF THE ZONING CODE: METHOD FOR DECIDING
WHETHER PARKING SPACES OR FEES SHALL BE PROVIDED IN VPD, DISTRICT NO. 1
Staff report was given by Mr. Castaneda. He noted that the proposed
ordinance implements the Local Coastal Plan and is one of the suggested
implementing actions contained in the Phase III LCP. One of the con
ditions of approval/certification of the LCP called for the payment
of in-lieu fees to the VPD in those instances where physical constraints
limited the provision of on-site parking spaces.
Mr. Castaneda stated that this ordinance would permit an applicant
to apply to the Planning Commission to pay fees in lieu of providing
parking, that a public hearing would be conducted to determine if
in-lieu fees would be appropriate, and that this would take place
on an individual basis--this is not a blanket decision. The ordinance
establishes a process and the role of the Planning Commission in making
this decision.
Public hearing opened 8:08 p.m.
Mr. Jack wood, 803 Loma Drive, spoke in favor of the ordinance. He
provided the Commission with a copy of the implementing ordinance
of the Vehicle Parking District, and noted that this was started by
the businesses to create an appropriate atmosphere for competition.
He said that adding more parking in the downtown area may not be in
the best interest of the City--that there is a limit on the amount
of "asphalt" desired at the beach.
Chairman Izant asked Mr. Wood if he had a suggested fee in mind, and
Mr. Wood suggested keeping the $1,500 fee, that $3,000 would be sub
stantial and $4,000 would be prohibitive.
Mrs. Wilma Burt, 1152 Seventh Street, said ·that asking the downtown
people to provide parking is not practical because the lots are too
small~
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In-Lieu Fees (continued)
Mrs. Burt said that the parking structures should not be "4-stories
high", but that two stories with the upper level reserved for employee
parking would be o.k. She said she objected to any fees being collected
without a specific use in mind~ and that the parking requirements
should not be too restrictive.
Violet Isgreen, 726 Prospect, said beach-goers should be encouraged
to park on the railroad right-of-way and at other locations a few
blocks from the beach.
Public hearing closed 8:55 p.rn.
Extensive discussion followed, with some commissioners not real sure
that more parking is needed in the downtown area~ and if no more parking
is needed then why collect the fee.
Commissioner Cummings expressed concern that if the fee does not cover
the actual cost of a parking space, then who will pick up the extra
cost.
Chairman Izant suggested that in order to guide and determine the
future use of the downtown area, maybe there should be no in-,lieu
fee for the type of businesses the city wants to have, and that a
fee would be charged for "less desirable" businesses.
Commissioner Peirce suggested separating the business parking from
the beach-goer parking.
Commissioner Loosli suggested charging no fee, because if the VPD
doesn't have any money then they cantt construct more parking areas,
and it is his opinion that no more parking structures/lots are needed.
CHAIRMAN IZANT MOVED TO CONTINUE THIS PUBLIC HEARING TO THE NEXT
REGULAR MEETING. THERE BEING NO OBJECTION,, SO ORDERED.
AMENDMENT TO CONDOMINIUM CONVERSION ORDINANCE SECTION RELATING TO
CONDITIONAL APPROVAL
Staff report given by Mr. Castaneda. The suggested changes are related
to conditional approval. The proposed ordinance has the effect of
taking the City out of the category of recipient and/or administrator
of fees/units, per staff memo dated July 30, 1982.
Public hearing opened at 9:28 p.m.
Jack Wood, 803 Loma Drive, explained the difference between the various
types of condominiums and stock co-operatives. He said he is the
author of the ordinance, and recommends adoption. He said this ordinance
provides a way to give the money to the Courity or State to provide
housing in an area where it is needed.
Jim Rosenberger, 156 First Court, reminded the Commission of the 11 older"
apartment buildings which were allowed to convert for a donation of
units/dollars, and suggested that these are not quality condominium
and if they can not meet the code they should not be allowed to convert.
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·condominium Conversions (continued)
Wilma Burt, 1152 -7th Street, said she would like to see apartments
stay apartments, and that 2-unit condominiums (small projects) should
be discouraged.
Public hearing closed at 10:58 p.m.
commissioner Cummings said he does not feel there should be an
allowance for non-conforming apartments to convert to condominiums
and that he is against an in~lieu fee.
Commissioner Pierce that in his opinion an in-lieu fee is nothing
but extortion. He feels that condominium conversions must meet
all code standards, and that there is no benefit to the city
in allowing old units to convert, but rather this is a disservice
to the city and to potential owners.
COMMISSIONER PEIRCE moved, seconded by COMMISSIONER IZANT (for
purposes of discussion)
THAT SECTION 29-A-14 OF THE CONDOMINIUM ORDINANCE,
CONDITIONAL APPROVAL BE DELETED
DISCUSSION
Commissioner Rue said he doesn't feel the Commission is looking
into the future enough; that the City is embarking on a housing
shortage, and not allowing for in-lieu fees could cause the
city to deny many people from owning a piece of property. He
said that perhaps there needs to be a limit on how much of a
deviation there should be--10% for example.
Commission Loosli suggested placing a condition on the "year"
the building was built in order to convert.
VOTE ON MOTION ABOVE:
AYES: Commissioners Cummings, Loosli, Peirce, Chmn. Izant
NOES: Commissioners Shapiro, Rue
ABSENT: Commissioner Smith
RESOLUTION
COMMISSIONER PEIRCE moved, seconded by COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS
THAT RESOLUTION NO. BE ADOPTED, INCORPORATING THE
FOLLOWING "WHEREASES":
WHEREAS, the previous Planning Commission's have always differentiated
between apartment dwellings and condominium ownership, and that is
why the Commission believes the standards should be different
for the two;
WHEREAS, the Commission looked at arguements for and against
the conditional approval of a project that does not meet the
condominium buinding standards and it did not look like the
City was benefiting from allowing said in-lieu fee;
Condominium Conversions (continued)
WHEREAS, an in-lieu fee was not appropriate for a housing program
or Parks & Recreation, as it being a form of leverage the City
would have to obtain money; 1% or 10%.
WHEREAS, the City should not be in the business of receiving
units or dollar~ as this type of donation does not mitigate
the fact that a building is substandard;
WHEREAS, the in-lieu fee doesn't provide a public benefit substantial
enough to allow a substandard conversion.
VOTE ON RESOLUTION:
AYES:
NOES:
Commissioners Cummings, Loosli, Peirce, Chmn. Izant
Commissioners Rue, Shapiro
ABSENT: Commissioner Smith
MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS
Commissioner Peirce informed staff and the Commission that he
would be on vacation for the next two meetings. So noted.
Ms. Sapetto informed the Commission that the Improvement Commission
has been dissolved, and some of their functions have been transfered
to the Planning Commission.
Election of -Officers
Chairman Izant ordered that the election of officers be continued
to the next meeting. No objection. so ORDERED.
Proposition EE
Commissioner Loosli inquired with regard to placing a similar
measure on the November ballot to "Proposition EE''. Staff informed
the Commission that the deadline has passed for placing items
on the ballot, and that this issue will be placed on a future
agenda. SO ORDERED.
ADJOURNMENT
COMMISSIONER PEIRCE moved, seconded by COMMISSIONER RUE
THAT THE MEETING BE ADJOURNED, THE TIME BEING 10:45 P.M .
THERE BEING NO OBJECTION, THE CHAIRMAN SO ORDERED.
CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes were approved at a
regular meeting of the Planning Commission held on the
day of ________ , 1982.
CHAIRMAN DATE SECRETARY
MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF HERMOSA BEACH HELD ON
JULY .20, 1982 IN THE CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 7:30 P.M.
SUMMARY OF ACTIONS TAKEN
Meeting call to order at 7:34 p.m.
All Commissioners present, with the exception of Mr. Loosli.
Also present were Pamela Sapetto and Alfred R. Mercado, both from
the Planning Department.
Motion by Comm. Smith, seconded by Comm. Rue to approve
July 6, 1982 minutes; motion passed with no objections.
The following Resolutions were passed on a motion by Comm. Rue,
seconded by Comm. Smith (approved by all with Comm. Cummings'
abstaining):
Resolution 82-19 -Amend Open Space Zone to allow Rail Transit Uses
Resolution 82-20 -Rezone Railroad Property to Open Space
Resolution 82-21 -Amendments to Land Use Element and Rezoning of
two areas in the City for exclusive use as
Mobile Home Parks
Resolution 82-22 -Recommending to the City Council that the latter
take no immediate action which would culminate
in rezoning of Hermosa Beach Trailer Court
845-923 17th STREET , CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, TENTAT IVE MAP #32526
FOR A 6-UNIT CONDOMI NIUM AND ZONE CHANGE RE QUE ST FROM R-1 TO R-2
Staff Report fiven. Public hearing opened at 8:03 p.m. Mr. O'Brien
spoke against project. Public hearing closed at 8:24 p.m.
Motion by Comm. Smith, seconded by Chmn. Izant to adopt Resolution
P.C. 82-23 approving Tract Map #32526 and zone change request
with amendments. Motion passed on a 4-2 vote.
3201 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY , 4-UNIT CONDOMINIUM CONVERSION AND
PARCEL MAP #15215
Staff report given; indicated that subsections {d), (e) and
(f) of Section 9.5-55, and that (d) be addressed in the cc & R's.
Public hearing opened at 9:11 p.m. Fran Baker, representing
applicants, spoke in favor of project. Public hearing closed
at 9:17 p.m.
Motion by Chrnn . Izant, seconded by Comm. Rue to approve project
and Parcel Map #15215 with amendments; motion passed by a 6-0
vote.
Minutes Planning Commission July 20, 1982
845-923 17th St~eet Application for CUP, Tentative map #32526 and Zone Change
from R-1 to R-2
Staff report by Planning Director, Pamela Sapetto
Public hearing opened 8:0J P.M.
Two individuals spoke against the project.
Applicant spoke in favor of project.
Public Hearing closed 8:24 P.M.
Discussion by Commissioners regarding interpret_ation of height and the existing
structures conformance to the General Plan.
Motion by Comm. Smith to approve project, tentative map #32526 and zone change _
request from R-1 to R-2 with conditions as proposed in Planning Commission •
resolution with amendments; second by Chlnn. Izant
AYES:
NOES::·
ABSENT:
Co!D!Ils. Rue, Shapiro, Smith, Cbmn. Izant
Comms. Peirce, Cwnmings
Comm. Loosli •
Motion passes 4-2.
Comm. Peirce's no vote based on height interpretation, violates condominium
conversion ordinance and does not agree with general plan interpretation
allowing the maxi.mum density in the multi-use corridor.
Motion to adopt Resolution 82-23 as amended:
1. To include the phrase from R-1 to R-2; and
2. Condition# 1 shall also except the private recreation space in three of the
units, seconded by Comm. ·rzant.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAIN:
Comms. Rue, Shapiro, Smith, Chmn. Izant
Comms. Peirce, Cwnmings
Comm. Loosli
None
Item ended 9:04 P.M.
Unadopted
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PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES -July 20, 1982 Page 2
Chmn. Izant, seconded by Comm. Peirce, made a motion to conduct
public hearings to review the Commercial Condominium Ordinance -
motion passed on a 6-0 vote
SECOND UNITS FOR SENIOR CITIZENS ON R-1 LOTS
Staff report given.
Dr. Lopdato spoke in
at 10:15 p.m.
Public hearings opened at 10:05 p.m.
favor of the project. Public hearing closed
Motion by Chmn. Izant, seconded by Comm. Rue, to deny project
with the following two Whereases: WHEREAS, there would not be
any reasonable way for the City to enforce the proposed ordinance;
and
WHEREAS, the purpose of R-1 zoning is to provide single family
dwellings should not be diluted.
Motion passed on a 4-2 vote.
Motion to adopt. Resolution 82-25 (with two additional WHEREASES
as mentioned above) passed by a 4-2 vote.
STAFF REPORTS
Reminder of 7/29/82 workshop.
COMMISSIONERS' I TEMS
1 . Appoint a substitute secretary to sign documents in absence
of Secretary Currunings -substitute is Comm. Peirce.
2. 17th Street project makes note of a zone change, yet the
specific zone change is not indicated in-Resolution to
Approve.
Motion to adjourn at 10:40 p.m .
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PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES -July 20, 1982 Page 3
CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are a true and complete
record of the action taken by the Planning Commission of Hermosa
Beach at their meeting of July 20, 1982.
STEPHEN IZANT, CHAIRMAN ROBERT CUMMINGS, SECRETARY
DATE