HomeMy WebLinkAbout(HIC)_(Minutes)_(December 19, 1978)MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE HERMOSA IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION HELD IN CITY
·-,l COUNCIL CHAMBERS, ON DECEMBER 19, 1978 \
Meeting called to order by Chmn. Foreman at 8:10 pm
ROLL CALL
Present:
Absent:
Also Present:
Comm. Freese, Shiffer, Hendersen, Chmn. Foreman
Collll1. Freeland (excused), Comm. Grimshaw
Ed King, Staff
Chmn. Foreman noted that Comm. Grimshaw will be submitting his letter of resignation.
IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION ITEMS
Chmn. Foreman explained that the Improvement CoITDTiission serves as a recommending body
to the· City Council on anything that needs improvement. She encouraged the audience
to contact Mr. King about suggestions for improvements. She added that all suggestions
would be considered.
Chmn. Foreman noted that all actions taken by the Improvement Commission may be appealed
to the City Council in writing within ten (10) days.
Beautification Award Nominees
' Mr. King showed slides of the three nominations made at the last meeting, which were:
602 3rd:-;Street, Remodel (award)
637 4th Street, Condominium (award)
630 3rd Street, (letter of commendation for maintenance)
Motion by Comm. Freese, seconded by Comm. Shiffer, to give the awards and send the
letter of commendation.
Ayes;
Noes:
Absent:
DESIGN REVIEW
Comm. Freese, Shiffer, Hendersen, Chmn. Foreman
None
Comm. Freeland, Grimshaw
2444 Manhattan Avenue
Request for approval of landscaping plan for single family dwelling.
Mr. King explained that the structure had been approved subject to approval of the
landscaping plan. He noted that the applicant had submitted the landscaping plans.
Motion by Comm. Freese, seconded by Comm. Hendersen, to accept the plans as submitted.
Ayes:
Noe·s: c_;· Absent:
Comm. Freese, Shiffer, Hendersen, Chmn. Foreman
None
Comm. Freeland, Grimshaw
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Request for a new single family dwelling by Mr. Cooling.
Mr. King explained that the project was approved at one time but the ownership changed.
He said the new owners submitted the plan with modifications which was denied. He
added that the applicant is submitting new plans.
Chmn. Foreman asked Mr. Cooling if the fascia beam could extend across the upper left
and right side elevations. Mr. Cooling said yes. Comm. Shiffer explained that the
Commissioners wanted something to break up the vast expanse of stucco.
Motion by Comm. Shiffer, seconded by Comm. Freese, to approve the plan with the
stipulation that the fascia beam be extended along the side elevations.
Ayes:
Noes:
Absent:
Comm. Freese, Shiffer, Hendersen, Chmn. Foreman
None
Comm. Freeland, Grimshaw
972-86 Artesia Blvd.
Request for addition of cedar to existing fascia of a commercial building by Doug
Pedelford of 18303 Pioneer, Artesia.
Chmn. Foreman asked Mr. Pedelford if the signs would be taken down. He explained that
the cedar would be put up around the signs.
Mr. King noted that the applicant was also planning to do work on the planters. Mr.
Pedelford explained they wanted to change from brick to concrete planters for maintenance
purposes. Comm. Shiffer asked if poured concrete would be used. Mr. Pedelford said
it would be standard gray poured concrete. Chmn. Foreman said she was opposed to the
standard gray. Comm. Shiffer suggested using beige to blend in with the wood. Chmn.
Foreman asked what color the stucco would be painted. Mr. Pedelford said he wanted
to paint the stucco beige. He agreed to a1so use beige colored concrete in the
planters.
Motion by Comm. Shiffer, seconded by Comm. Freese, to approve the plan as corrected.
Ayes:
Noes:
Absent:
Comm. Freese, Shiffer, Hendersen, Chmn. Foreman
None
Comm. Freeland, Grimshaw
Chmn. Foreman asked the applicant if new signs would be put up. Mr. Pedelford said no.
Chmn. Foreman noted that if he did decide to put new signs up in the future, they
would have to be presented to the Commission for approval first.
1534-38-50 Manhattan Avenue
Request for cedar siding over stucco and new garage doors.
Mr. King explained that the applicant intends to replace the garage doors, add vertical
, siding on the stucco at the second story level above the garage and refurbish the L~· stairway. He noted that a new window was also to be added.
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Chmn. Foreman asked what type of finish would be used on the stairway. The applicant
said it would be a natural finish.
Motion by Comm. Freese, seconded by Comm. Shiffer, to approve as submitted.
Ayes:
Noes:
Absent:
Comm. Freese, Shiffer, Hendersen, Chmn. Foreman
None
Comm. Freeland, Grimshaw
1240-1253 -20th Place
Request for two single family dwellings by George Krikorian.
Chmn. Foreman commented on the amount of landscaping that would be lost. She asked
the applicant if something more than just two planter boxes, two trees and grass could
be included. Mr. Krikorian said more trees could be added, possibly one in each yard.
Chmn. Foreman said she was really concerned about the amount of landscaping. Mr.
Krikorian said he did not ·realize the landscaping had to be presented at this time.
Chmn. Foreman said that it did not and asked if he wanted to come back with the
landscaping plans later. Mr. Krikorian said yes, if it would not hold up the project.
Chmn. Foreman commented that when the landscaping is well planned it usually helps
the appearance and is also a good selling point. Mr. Krikorian said they did work hard
on the building plan, but did not spend as much time on the landscaping. Chmn. Foreman
suggested the applicant plant tall Junipers between the buildings to break up the
bareness.
Comm. Shiffer noted that the Commissioners are concerned about large expanses of stucco.
Comm. Freese asked Mr. Krikorian if the wood plank treatment could also be used on
the West side of the 1249 building. Mr. Krikorian agreed. Comm. Freese also asked
that a facial beam be used on the West elevation. Mr. Krikorian said the building
designer may not concur with him when he makes changes. Chmn. Foreman commented
that the Commission was not asking for any structural changes.
Chmn. Foreman noted the following corrections to the plan, that trim be placed around
all windows, a facial beam and vertical siding be added to the West elevation and the
landscaping plan be brought back for approval.
Motion by Comm. Freese, seconded by Comm. Shiffer, to accept the plans with the
corrections noted and with the condition that the landscaping plan be brought back
to the Commission for approval.
Ayes:
Noes:
Absent:
52 1½ Loma Drive
Comm. Freese, Shiffer, Hendersen, Chmn. Foreman
None
Corrm. Freeland, Grimshaw
Request by Francis Parker for stucco over the existi~g wood siding.
v Chmn. Foreman asked if the garage door would remain wood. The applicant said yes
but that it would be painted.
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Comm. Shiffer asked what color would be used for the stucco. Ms. Parker answered tan.
Chmn. Foreman asked if the shutters would remain. Ms. Parker said they would be
removed for painting and possibly new ones would be put up.
Motion by Comm. Shiffer, seconded by Comm. Freese, to approve as submitted.
Ayes:
Noes:
Absent:
Comm. Freese, Shiffer, Hendersen, Chmn. Foreman
None
Comm. Freeland, Grimshaw
2700 Manhattan Avenue
Request by Rick Koenig for replacement of rock veneer with barnwood siding.
Mr. King explained that the project has already been started. He said that the wood
is proposed for the front and side elevations and the 5 Corner's Liquor sign is to be
removed.
Chmn. Foreman asked about the other signs. Mr. Koenig replied that all signs would
be removed.
Motion by Chmn. Foreman, seconded by Comm. Shiffer, to approve the project with the
stipulation that all signs on all elevations be removed and that any future signs
be brought to the Commission for approval.
Ayes:
Noes:
Absent:
Comm. Freese, Shiffer, Hendersen, Chmn. Foreman
None
Comm. Freeland, Grimshaw
Chmn. Foreman asked the applicant if the owner was in agreement with the plan. Mr.
Koenig said yes. Chmn. Foreman noted that if the owner does not agree with anything
in the approved motion, he will have to come back before the Commission.
SIGN REVIEW
1100 Pacific Coast Highway
Request for copy for fourth pole can.
Motion by Comm. Freese, seconded by Comm. Shiffer, to accept the copy as submitted.
Ayes:
Noes:
Absent:
238 Pier Avenue
Comm. Freese, Shiffer, Hendersen
Chmn. Foreman
Comm. Freeland, Grimshaw
Request for two (2) wall signs. Mr. King explained the signs are existing.
\ Motion by Comm. Shiffer, seconded by Chmn. Foreman, to approve the signs as erected.
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Ayes:
Noes:
Absent:
Comm. Freese, Shiffer, Hendersen, Chmn. Foreman
None
Comm. Freeland, Grimshaw
1062 Aviation Blvd.
Request for three (3) wall signs by Earle Ciolli.
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Mr. King explained the signs are existing and painted on the sides. He noted there
were flags in front which have been removed.
Motion by Comm. Shiffer, seconded by Chmn. Foreman, to approve as submitted.
Ayes:
Noes:
Absent:
Comm. Freese, Shiffer, Hendersen, Chmn. Foreman
None
Comm. Freeland, Grimshaw
Mr. Ciolli commented that he would like to put a triangle sig~ on top of the building
or have a sign that could be carried in at night. He asked for suggestions.
Chmn. Foreman said the Commission could not approve signing on the public right of
way. She said he could come back with a design for a sign. She suggested a corner
wedge sign.
Comm. Freese noted the applicant has enough footage to put up a roof sign. Chmn.
Foreman felt the existing signing would not be needed if a roof sign was used.
Mr. Ciolli explained he just wants something that says 11 Earl 1 s11 • He noted that
clients complain about passing up his shop even thought most of them know where they
are going.
Mr. Ciolli came forward so the Commissioners could discuss alternatives with him
and make suggestions.
Comm. Shiffer asked the applicant to bring back a plan. Chmn. Foreman suggested
waiving the fee and continuing the request. The Commissioners agreed. So ordered.
Chmn. Foreman advised the applicant that there are sign restrictions. She suggested
he contact Mr. King. Mr. King advised the applicant that the height restriction is
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STAFF REPORTS
Mr. King noted that the City Council approved all recommendations by the Improvement
Commission for the March Beautiful Program except the entrance signs. He said the
Council also continued discussion on the number of Commissioners.
Chmn. Foreman commented that she was not at the City Council meeting and that no
one else from the Improvement Commission was there either. She noted that approval
was given for the Cher Ton Ton request.
Mr. King noted that minutes of November 21, 1978 and December 5, 1978 had not yet ·,,__,, been approved.
IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION MINUTES -December 19, 1978
A GiOrrection to the November 21, 1978 minutes was made by Chmn. ForemM. pa,ge 4,
Paragraph 6, to read:" ... She said that she was concerned about ha,ving th.is item on
the agenda but the City Manager wanted it on the agenda and felt it was a,ppropriate
to hear the conceptual design of the building ... ".
Motion by Chmn. Foreman, seconded by Comm. Shiffer, to approve the November 21, 1978
minutes as corrected.
Ayes:
Noes:
Absent:
Comm. Freese, Shiffer, Hendersen, Chmn. Foreman
None
Comm. Freeland, Grimsh~w
The Commissioners agreed to hold over the December 5, 1978 minutes.
Chmn. Foreman noted the next trash committee meeting is scheduled for Thursday,
December 21, 1978 at 7:30 am.
Mr. King noted that corrections to the Sign Ordinance have not yet been sent to
the Chamber of Commerce. Chmn. Foreman felt that City Staff should type the recommendations
for Sign Ordinance Changes.
COMMISSIONER'S ITEMS
Chmn. Foreman said she would like each Commissioner's address and phone number listed
and distributed to each Commissioner.
Chmn. Foreman commented on the project which was resubmitted and approved by the
Improvement Commission after the modification request was denied. She asked if there
was any other way to handle similar situations. Mr. King pointed out that it was
submitted as a new request and the applicant paid a new fee. Chmn. foreman felt
that if the Commission did not like the project as a remodel, they should not approve
it as a new request. Mr. King stressed that it is very important for the Commissioners
to see the project sites in person. He said it could be denied on the basis of
design. He added that the Applicant has the right to negate his previous request
and resubmit the plans.
Chmn. Foreman noted that two more requests were for existing signs. Mr. King explained
that this is due to notices of violations which were sent out recently. He felt the
situation would improve.
Comm. Shiffer commented on the sign for Cher Ton Ton. He felt that if the sign is
put up differently from the way it was approved, then a citation should be issued.
Chmn. Foreman asked if the Beautification awards had been presented. Mr. King said
they would be soon.
Comm. Hendersen nominated Middle School for an award. Comm. Shiffer felt the award
should be given to the architect if approved.
Motion by Comm. Shiffer, seconded by Comm. Freese, to adjourn the meeting to January
16, 1979.
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Chmn. Foreman asked about the number of.conunission vacancies.
Mr. King said he would send another memo and find out.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:45 pm.
CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes were approved by the Hermosa Improvement
Commission on January 16, 1979.
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PAMELA HENDERSEN, SECRETARY