HomeMy WebLinkAboutPC Minutes - 01.03.1989MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF THE CITY OF HERMOSA BEACH
HELD ON JANUARY 3, 1989, AT 7:30 P.M. IN THE CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Meeting called to order at 7:30 P.M. by Chmn. Peirce.
Pledge of Allegiance led by Chmn. Peirce.
ROLL CALL
Present:
Absent:
Comms. Edwards, Ingell, Ketz, Rue, Chmn. Peirce
None
Also Present: Michael Schubach, Planning Director; James P. Lough, City Attorney;
Sally White, Recording Secretary
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
MOTION by Comm. Ingell, seconded by Comm. Edwards, to approve the minutes of
December 6, 1988, with the modification that Paragraph 7, Page 20, be deleted for the
purpose of clarification. Noting the abstention of Comm. Rue, so ordered.
APPROVAL OF RESOLUTIONS
MOTION by Comm. Ingell, seconded by Comm. Ketz, to approve Resolution P .C. 88-99,
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF HERMOSA
BEACH, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING AMENDING THE GENERAL PLAN BY
CHANGING THE DESIGNATION FOR AREA 3 AS DESCRIBED AND SHOWN ON THE
MAPS AND ADOPTING AN ENVIRONMENT AL NEGATIVE DECLARATION. Noting the
abstention of Comm. Rue, no objections; so ordered.
MOTION by Comm. Ketz, seconded by Comm. Edwards, to approve Resolution P .C. 88-
100, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF HERMOSA
BEACH, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING AMENDING THE GENERAL PLAN BY
CHANGING THE DESIGNATION FOR AREA 8A AS DESCRIBED AND SHOWN ON THE
MAPS AND ADOPTING AN ENVIRONMENT AL NEGATIVE DECLARATION. Noting the
abstention of Comm. Rue, no objections; so ordered.
MOTION by Chmn. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Ketz, to approve Resolution P.C. 88-102,
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF HERMOSA
BEACH, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND A NEGATIVE
DECLARATION TO ALLOW VIDEO SALES AND RENTALS AT 1312 HERMOSA
AVENUE.
Comm. Ingell stated that he would vote in opposition to the motion, explaining that he
feels the wording in the resolution should contain the wording found in the Zoning Code
in regard to "adult videos" versus "videos" and should state: "Video Sales, No Adult."
Mr. Lough noted, however, that the wording in the resolution is that which was voted
upon at the previous meeting.
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AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Edwards, Ketz, Chmn. Peirce
Comm. Ingell
Comm. Rue
None
MOTION by Comm. Edwards, seconded by Chmn. Peirce, to approve Resolution P .C. 88-
103, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF HERMOSA
BEACH, CALIFORNIA, DENYING VARIANCES TO CONSTRUCT A NEW SECOND
STORY AND FIRST-FLOOR BEDROOM ADDITION WHICH WOULD ENCROACH TO
WITHIN THREE FEET, TWO INCHES OF THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE RATHER THAN
THE REQUIRED FIVE FEET, AND A VARIANCE TO SECTION 1309 REGARDING
ADDITIONS TO NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES AT 576 21ST STREET, LEGALLY
DESCRIBED AS THE EASTERLY 25 FEET OF LOT 43 AND THE WESTERLY 30 FEET
OF LOT 44, TRACT 1868. Noting the abstention of Comm. Rue, no objections; so
ordered.
MOTION by Comm. Ketz, seconded by Comm. Ing ell, to approve Resolution P .C. 88-104,
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF HERMOSA
BEACH, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING AMENDING THE GENERAL PLAN BY
CHANGING THE DESIGNATION FOR THE AREA COMMONLY DESCRIBED AS 1344
AND 1348 MANHATTAN AVENUE, 1428 MONTEREY BOULEVARD, AND 1346
BAYVIEW DRIVE AND ADOPTING AN ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
Noting the abstention of Comm. Rue, no objections; so ordered.
MOTION by Comm. Ketz, seconded by Comm. Edwards, to approve Resolution P .C. 88-
105, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF HERMOSA
BEACH, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE VACATION OF A PORTION
OF TWENTY-FIRST STREET NEAR LOMA DRIVE AND RECOMMENDING. DENIAL OF
THE AMENDMENT OF THE CIRCULATION ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN BY
DELETING THAT PORTION OF TWENTY-FIRST STREET AND TO DESIGNATE THE
SUBJECT AREA TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. Noting the abstention of Comm.
Rue, no objections; so ordered.
MOTION by Comm. Edwards, seconded by Comm. Ingell, to approve Resolution P .C. 88-
106, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF HERMOSA
BEACH, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING AN AMENDMENT TO THE GENERAL PLAN
AND A ZONE CHANGE OF THE WEST SIDE OF MYRTLE AVENUE BETWEEN 24TH
STREET AND 25TH STREET FROM MEDIUM DENSITY, R-2, TO LOW DENSITY, R-1,
AND THE ADOPTION OF AN ENVIRONMENT AL NEGATIVE DECLARATION. Noting
the abstention of Comm. Rue, no objections; so ordered.
COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC
Roger Bacon, property owner of 1107 Pacific Coast Highway, Hermosa Beach, noted
concern over the recent changes made by CalTrans at the intersection of Pier A venue
and Pacific Coast Highway. He stated that the left-turn pocket from Pacific Coast
Highway onto 11th street has been removed. He said that he had contacted CalTrans
about this matter and had requested a meeting to discuss this change, since he and others
in the area feel that the removal of the left-hand turn pocket could be detrimental to the
businesses. He expressed concern that none of the business owners were advised of the
changes prior to their being made.
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Chmn. Peirce explained that the City has no purview over that intersection, noting that
it is within the CalTrans region. He asked staff, however, to request from Ca IT rans a
report outlining what was done, and why the left-turn pockets were removed. He also
requested that Mr. Schubach attend any meetings held on this matter in order to obtain
additional information.
Mr. Bacon explained that the plans presented by Cal Trans depicted no changes in regard
to the left-turn pockets being removed from Pacific Coast Highway.
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, PARKING PLAN AND ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE
DECLARATION TO CONSTRUCT A NEW RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THRU SERVICE
AT 1107 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY-EL POLLO LOCO
Mr. Schubach gave staff report dated December 13, 1988. The zoning for Lots 1, 2, and 3
is C-3, with a general plan designation of general commercial. The three lots total
9700.2 square feet. Lot 4 is zoned R-2, with a general plan designation of medium
density residential. Total size of Lot 4 is 3877.56 square feet. The site is presently used
as a Der Wienerschnitzel restaurant.
The Staff Environmental Review Committee, at their meeting of November 3, 1988,
recommended a negative declaration and requested some revisions to the original plans;
revised plans have been received.
The applicant is requesting a parking plan and conditional use permit to demolish or
relocate an existing restaurant, Der Wienerschnitzel, and construct a new restaurant, El
Pollo Loco. The proposed restaurant will be approximately 2250 square feet and will
have drive-thru service.
The site is comprised of four lots, three of which front onto Pacific Coast Highway. The
fourth lot fronts onto 11th Street.
The site also has a public alley which bisects the site. The alley will serve as access to
the parking area and will provide some of the required turning radius. The alley is being
used similarly by Der Wienerschnitzel.
After reviewing the project, it has been determined that the three lots which front onto
Pacific Coast Highway are zoned C-3, and the lot fronting onto 11th Street is zoned R-
2. The lots have general plan designations of general commercial and medium density
residential, respectively.
The zoning code does not allow for commercial parking lots within any R-2 zoned lot.
This lot is presently being utilized as a parking area by Der Wienerschnitzel. The two
lots west of the site are also presently being utilized as a church parking lot. Since these
lots are presently being used for parking, the general plan and zoning should be amended
to general commercial to bring these parking lots into conformance. Therefore, staff is
recommending that a condition of approval for the parking plan and conditional use
permit is to require the applicant to request a zone change and general plan amendment
to bring the parking lots into conformance.
The proposed development will provide 23 parking spaces. The required parking for a
restaurant is one parking space for each 100 square feet of gross floor area. Based on
the proposed floor area, 23 parking spaces are required. As part of the proposed parking
plan, the applicant is requesting that the Planning Commission consider allowing five
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parking spaces within the drive-thru area to be counted as part of the total required
parking.
The applicant states that a large portion of the total gross sales of food is through drive
thru service. Based on observation of similar restaurants in neighboring cities, staff
agrees that this business does indeed cater to large drive-thru clientele. Therefore, staff
is recommending that the Planning Commission consider counting the proposed stacked
parking.
The applicants have designed the restaurant and drive-thru facilities with menu boards
fronting onto Pacific Coast Highway. The menu board will also provide noise reducers.
The site is also surrounded by commercial developments or parking lots; therefore, the
noise from the menu board should have no impact on adjacent residents.
The proposed design will also provide an attractive landscaped planter along Pacific
Coast Highway and a landscaped planter buffer to the rear of the development. Several
trash cans will also be provided to minimize any potential trash problems. Overall, the
proposed development will be an attractive addition to the community. Staff also
suggested a condition regarding landscaping to buffer any problems resulting from
headlight glare.
Because of the nature of the proposed restaurant, that is, popular drive-thru foods, staff
believes that the proposed stacked parking will not create any significant parking
problems. However, should the Planning Commission not want to consider all or part of
the stacked parking, the Planning Commission may consider the option to require the
proposed restaurant to be reduced in size. A reduction in the size of the restaurant
would require less parking.
Staff recommended that the Planning Commission approve the conditional use permit,
parking plan, and environmental negative declaration, subject to the conditions specified
in the resolution.
Public Hearing opened at 7:40 P.M. by Chmn. Peirce.
Roger Bacon, property owner of 1107 Pacific Coast Highway, Hermosa Beach, applicant,
addressed the Commission. He stated that he has worked long and hard on this
proposal. He stressed that an attempt was being made to relocate the current Der
Wienerschnitzel building, possibly to a location in Signal Hill, since there is an
approximate time of seven to eight years remaining on the lease. However, after several
meetings that option fell through. He is now attempting to find another site for the
relocation. He stressed that the Der Wienerschnitzel business will not be affected and it
they will remain until it can be moved to another location.
Mr. Bacon continued by discussing the fine reputation of El Pollo Loco and the fact that
they are doing quite well financially, explaining that the gross sales are very
encouraging. He stated that the proposed location would be quite good for an El Pollo
Loco based on the fact that so many drivers will pass by on their way home from work,
and access will be easy.
Steve Lewis, 16700 Valley View Avenue, La Mirada, project administrator for Denney's
(parent company of El Pollo Loco), addressed the Commission. He stated that, after
reviewing the staff report and proposed recommendations, he is in agreement with the
report and concurs with the proposed conditions.
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~ Mr. Lewis stated that he had brought documentation supporting the proposal for allowing
five additional parking stalls to be included in the parking count for the drive-thru lane.
He continued by discussing a traffic study which was prepared for use at a typical El
Pollo Loco. The report asserts that the maximum number of cars at an El Pollo Loco is
32 vehicles at the peak parking time, which is from 12:00 P.M. to 12:30 P.M. Of that
thirty-two cars, ten to thirteen vehicles were served during each of two fifteen-minute
periods. The report indicates the need for the driveway and the percentage of customers
who will use the drive-thru, thereby reducing the need for actual parking spaces.
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Chmn. Peirce discussed the sign location plan, Plan Number D4, "Illuminated Exterior
Menu Sign." He asked for clarification on the location of that sign.
Mr. Lewis stated that the sign will be in the front of the building on the southeast
corner. The sign will be approximately six feet from grade level. However, if the
Planning Commission feels it to be necessary, the size of the menu board could be
reduced somewhat. He noted, however, that all of the boards are built to a standard
size, but in some cases custom signs have been used. He stated that the base of the sign
itself could be eliminated to lessen the height. He continued by stating that landscaping
is proposed to serve as a screen for oncoming headlights. He also noted that, if the
Commission desires, berms could be added; however, they would probably be limited to
two or three feet because of the lineal distance involved.
Mr. Lewis, in response to a question from Comm. Rue, explained that the menu board is
on the inside of the drive-thru lane.
Comm. Ingell asked how many cars would actually be in the drive-thru lane during the
two peak fifteen-minute periods. Mr. Lewis replied that those figures were not specified
in the traffic study; however, the report did indicate that one hundred lineal feet of
stacking would be sufficient for that establishment; one hundred feet can accommodate
five cars, measured at twenty feet each.
Comm. Ketz asked whether any consideration was given to the possibility of having the
entrance to the drive-thru on the north side of the property and the exiting on the south
side.
Mr. Lewis stated that that could be done; however, if there were problems with overflow,
then the parking stalls would be blocked off. He did not feel there would be any
problems with the current proposal.
Comm. Ketz asked how the drive-thru lane would be entered; i.e., whether someone
could enter the drive-thru lane from the AM/PM Mini Market entrance next store.
Mr. Lewis replied that it is possible; however, there is not a great potential for causing
problems on 11th Street.
Comm. Ketz stated that the cars enter from the counterclockwise direction.
Mr. Lewis stated that an attempt has been made to soften the turning radius in order to
make it easier to enter into the drive-thru lane.
Mr. Bacon stated that he has been to many El Pollo Loco establishments, including the
second largest one in Los Angeles, and there are no problems using this particular
configuration. He stated that customers receive very fast service; therefore, there is
not enough time for cars to back up and cause problems. He stated that there are very
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rarely more than four to five cars waiting during peak hours.
Mr. Bacon stated that this configuration at this particular site has been thoroughly
studied, and it is felt that there will be no problems. He agreed that it would be wise to
diffuse the headlight glare by using hedges or a berm, and he agreed to comply with such
a condition. He felt that a berm would be better, since plants could die or not be
trimmed properly.
Mr. Lewis, in response to questions from Comm. Edwards, showed on the plans where the
orders will be placed (at the menu board) and where they will be picked up (at the
window).
Mr. Bacon applauded El Pollo Loco's decision not to have a driveway on Pacific Coast
Highway. He stated that they will be Triple A tenants and will run their business in an
assiduous manner. He also stated that the trash area has been designed very well.
Mr. Bacon stated that he is very concerned about his properties being kept clean and
beautifully landscaped, and this establishment will be no different. El Pollo Loco has
promised to maintain the planting, and Mr. Bacon will oversee the planting since he is
quite knowledgeable in that area, and he will have final approval on the choice of plants
to be used.
Chmn. Peirce noted that a lighting plan was not submitted.
Mr. Lewis stated that a lighting plan was not a requirement of the conditional use permit
package. It was his assumption that the lighting plan would be reviewed during the
Building Department plan check. He noted, however, that such a plan could be submitted
if desired by the Commission.
Mr. Schubach stated that such a condition could be added to the approval.
Mr. Lewis stated that a lighting plan will be submitted to the staff.
Comm. Ingell felt it would be more appropriate for the pick-up window to be located
closer to the exit of the drive-thru lane. If the window were relocated, there would be
more room for waiting cars.
Mr. Lewis stated that there is a prototypical building used by El Pollo Loco, and they try
to use the same plans for each of the establishments. There have been no problems with
the layout used, so long as there can be five cars between the pick-up window and the
entrance of the drive-thru lane.
Comm. Rue asked whether the proposed location of the menu board is typical of the
placement at other El Pollo Locos.
Mr. Lewis explained that this placement is average for various El Pollo Locos in the area.
Comm. Edwards asked whether El Pollo Loco utilizes an air pollution control method in
order to reduce odors.
Mr. Lewis stated that El Pollo Loco uses the most advanced hood system in the industry,
and documentation can be provided to support that. He could not, however, explain the
technical workings of the unit. He stated that virtually all smoke and most smell has
been eliminated. He further noted that they are required to comply with the
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I" requirements of the AQMD.
Gail Lee, operator of the Der Wienerschnitzel 1137, 1107 Pacific Coast Highway, opposed
the proposal, explaining that there is still almost eight years remaining on her lease. She
stated that business is good at that location, and she has many years' experience in the
business. She stated that a relocation could hurt her business.
Chmn. Peirce stated that the Commission can approve only the conditional use permit.
The applicant must work out contractual arrangements with the operator.
Public Hearing closed at 8: 17 P .M. by Chmn. Peirce.
Chmn. Peirce favored adding a condition requiring a berm along the Pacific Coast
Highway side, explaining that that would be a real improvement. He also favored
shrubbery on top in order to soften the side of the building.
Chmn. Peirce noted that the sign as proposed seems to be somewhat high. He suggested
wording to designate a maximum allowable height for the menu board.
Mr. Schubach noted that Mr. Lewis said the base of the sign could be removed in order to
lessen the height of the menu board. The sign could probably be maintained at a height
of five feet without much difficulty.
Comm. Rue favored a happy medium between the height of the board and the proposed
landscaping.
Mr. Schubach suggested a three-foot berm with shrubbery on the Pacific Coast Highway
side. Further, that the sign be reduced to approximately six feet~
Comm. Rue noted that the sign does not project into a residential area.
Comm. Edwards asked for clarification on Condition No. 3: "The volume of the drive
thru menu board shall be controlled .... "
Mr. Schubach stated that "the volume" refers to the loudness of the speaker on the menu
board.
Chmn. Peirce suggested that the wording of Condition No. 3 be changed to: "The
loudspeaker volume of the drive-thru menu board .... "
Comm. Ketz noted concern over the design of the drive-thru design, stating that she
feels it is awkward. She also noted concern over possible stacking of traffic on 11th
Street. She suggested that a condition be added to prohibit stacking on 11th Street.
Comm. Rue noted, however, that a business will, in its own best interests, provide easy
access for its customers.
Comm. Ingell felt that the layout would be better if the plans were swapped the other
direction in a mirror image. He felt that this would improve the traffic flow. Comm.
Ketz agreed, stating that the circulation would then be clockwise.
Comm. Ingell suggested that the kitchen exits be relocated so that the exiting is near the
church parking lot.
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Comm. Ingell asked how long this conditional use permit will be in effect.
Mr. Schubach stated that the Zoning Code specifies that a project must be executed
within two years, or the conditional use permit expires. It is also within the purview of
the Planning Commission to make that condition more strict, if deemed necessary.
Chmn. Peirce noted, however, that it is not up to the Planning Commission to redesign
this applicant's project.
MOTION by Comm. Rue, seconded by Comm. Edwards, to approve staff's
recommendation, Resolution P.C. 89-2, with the following amendments: (1) that a
lighting plan be submitted; (2) that the landscaped area along Pacific Coast Highway be
raised as an earthen berm with land sc a ping in order to mitigate the lights shining onto
the oncoming southbound traffic on Pac ific C oast Highway; (3) that the stacking area for
the cars waiting to enter the lane not be allowed to spill onto 11th Street, and that
management be instructed to not allow such spillage onto 11th Street; (4) that the menu
board sign shall be limited to six feet; (5) that Condition No. 3 state: "The loudspeaker
volume of the drive-thru menu board ... "; (6) that a condition be added stating that odors
and emissions must be controlled.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Edwards, Ingell, Ketz, Rue, Chmn. Peirce
None
None
None
Mr. Lewis addressed the Commission and discussed the location of the drive-thru lane
and stated that if it were to be reoriented to the other direction, it would become a
passenger pick-up area, which is undesirable.
Mr. Bacon asked if it is absolutely necessary for him to return with a zone change
request for this project.
Mr. Schubach replied in the affirmative.
PARKING PLAN, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL
NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR A 400-SQUARE F OOT RESTAURAN T EXPANSION AT
934 HERMOSA AVENUE, LA TRAVIATA
Mr. Schubach gave staff report dated December 15, 1988. This project is located in the
C-2 restricted commercial zone, with a general plan designation of general commercial.
La Traviata is located in a large mixed-use complex. The applicant is requesting a
parking plan to convert existing retail space to restaurant use. The existing restaurant is
approximately 1070 square feet. The applicant is requesting to expand the restaurant
into an adjacent suite which is approximately 400 square feet.
Based on existing parking standards, the applicant is required to provide four additional
parking spaces; one space per each 100 square feet of restaurant use. Although there
will be no new floor area added to the complex, additional parking is still required
because the use is being changed from retail to restaurant.
The building at 934 Hermosa Avenue was constructed under old zoning standards;
therefore, the parking is already nonconforming. 934 Hermosa A venue has a variety of
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commercial uses; however, the hours of the business vary.
The applicant is proposing to utilize four parking spaces from another mixed use complex
located adjacent to 934 Hermosa Avenue, at 936 Hermosa Avenue. There are 22 parking
spaces at this complex, 15 located underground and seven behind the building.
The four added spaces should be reserved for employee parking. This will increase the
amount of parking available at La Traviata and will maximize any available parking. A
condition of approval should require employees to park at the four added parking spaces
at 936 Hermosa Avenue.
The property owner of 936 Hermosa Avenue has also submitted a use, floor area, and
hour summary for 936 Hermosa Avenue. Based on this summary, it appears that parking
is available during the hours La Traviata is open. The only business which is open during
some evenings is a hair salon which would only require three parking spaces.
On-site inspections of 936 Hermosa Avenue conducted by staff have indicated that the
subterranean parking spaces have been reserved for specified tenant use without
obtaining any prior approvals. Parking should be used by all tenants and customers of the
building. With all underground parking spaces assigned to the tenants of the building,
there are no parking spaces available for customers. A condition of approval should
require the existing signs to be removed and replaced with signs stating parking is
available for tenants and customers of the building.
La Traviata presently has a conditional use permit to sell alcoholic beverages. The
present business is conforming to the conditions listed in the CUP; however, the CUP
should be amended to include the expansion and the hours of operation listed in the
CUP. The existing CUP states that the hours of operation are 11:00 A.M. to 10:00 P.M.
The hours should be amended to 5:30 P.M. to 11:00 P.M. All other existing conditions are
listed in the amended resolution.
The property owners of both commercial complexes have submitted letters indicating
their commitment to the proposed parking plan.
Staff recommended that the Planning Commission approve a parking plan, conditional use
permit amendment, and environmental negative declaration, subject to the conditions
specified in the proposed resolution.
Chmn. Peirce asked how the current signage is currently marked at 934 Hermosa A venue.
Mr. Schubach stated that it is currently open parking.
Chmn. Peirce asked about the connection between Mr. Sidney and Mr. Hof, the two
par~ies who submitted letters and which are attached in the staff report.
Mr. Schubach stated that Mr. Sidney (934 Hermosa Avenue) and Mr. Hof (936 Hermosa
Avenue) are the two property owners involved.
Chmn. Peirce asked whether there will be enough parking, then, at 936 Hermosa Avenue
when parking is taken away.
Mr. Schubach replied in the affirmative, explaining that because of the hours of
operation at 936 Hermosa Avenue, parking is not needed at night. He explained that
there will be a shared parking situation between these two addresses.
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Chmn. Peirce noted that staff recommends that the hours of La Traviata be changed to
eliminate lunch service, therefore ensuring that the shared parking concept works.
Comm. Rue asked whether validated parking would be available to this establishment.
Mr. Schubach stated that staff investigated the possibility of validated parking; however,
this commercial development is not located within the Vehicle Parking District.
Therefore, validated parking cannot be implemented at this restaurant.
Chmn. Peirce suggested adding a condition specifying that if validation ever does become
available, that it be used. Mr. Schubach agreed that that would be an appropriate
condition.
Comm. Ingell asked about the boundaries for the Vehicle Parking District. He understood
that the area had not been restricted.
Public Hearing opened at 8:40 P.M. by Chmn. Peirce.
Hans Hof, 1707 Pacific Coast Highway, owner, addressed the Commission. He explained
that the Vehicle Parking District ends at 10th Street; therefore, he falls just outside of
the VPD.
Mr. Hof discussed the issue of open parking versus assigned parking. He stated that the
problem with open parking is that during the summer it is impossible to check on who is
parking there. He stated that the area becomes very congested, and people park
anywhere they can. With open parking, the area will become a zoo.
Mr. Schubach stated that the Zoning Code technically does no.t. p_ermit assigned parking;
however, signs can be put up stating that the parking is for the use of the customers of
the building only. He agreed that open parking can be a problem.
Mr. Hof stated that some of his tenants have placed signs advising others not to park in
their spots. He said that the parking situation is very bad on Friday and Saturday nights,
and that the lot is completely full.
Chmn. Peirce asked where people come from on Friday and Saturday nights, if the
businesses are closed in the evening.
Mr. Hof stated that people come from all over the area and park there to go to other
establishments.
Mr. Hof stated that his parking was acceptable at the time the building was built.
Mr. Hof stated that La Traviata is a very nice restaurant; the food is good, and the prices
are low. He felt that it is an addition to the City of Hermosa Beach.
Public Hearing closed at 8:45 P.M. by Chmn. Peirce.
Chmn. Peirce felt that, if the parking arrangements can be worked out, La Traviata
should be allowed to expand. He noted that the outsiders must be kept out of their
parking area, and he asked how this could be accomplished.
Mr. Schubach agreed that it is difficult to keep others out of the parking area unless
management patrols the area or puts up some sort of sign in the garage area. He
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suggested the addition of a condition stating that some type of signage shall be installed
or provided advising that cars will be towed away if they are not approved to be parked
in that location.
Comm. lngell felt that if the four parking spots are signed correctly and monitored,
problems will be lessened.
MOTION by Comm. Ingell, seconded by Comm. Rue, to approve staff's recommendation,
Resolution P.C. 89-5, with the following modifications: (l) Condition No. 4 shall state
that signage shall be place d w ith the appropriate wording advising that cars will be towed
whic h do not belong there (ex act wording to be provided by staff), and that parking is for
both customers and emplo yee s of La Traviata; (2) Condition No. 5 sha ll be de leted; (3) a
standard condition shall be added specifying that a copy of the conditional use permit
shall be read and signed by the manager; (4) if and when validated parking becomes
available, this business shall be encouraged to use the validated parking in order to
mitigate the parking problems.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Edwards, Ingell, Ketz, Rue, Chmn. Peirce
None
None
None
PARKING PLAN AMENDMENT AT 2306 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY AND
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AT 2420 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY TO ALLOW THE
OPENING OF THE DOOR ON BORDEN STREET DURING SPECIFIC HOURS AND TO
ADOPT ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE DECLARATIONS
Mr. Schubach gave staff report dated December 13, 1988. Staff recommended that the
Planning Commission deny the request for a conditional use permit amendment and
parking plan amendment to allow the opening of the door on Borden Street during
specific hours.
On December 12, 1986, the Planning Commission approved a conditional use permit,
parking plan, zone variance, and a negative declaration for a proposed expansion of the
existing church at 2420 Pacific Coast Highway. Subsequently, two neighboring residents
requested an appeal of all the noted items approved. In addition, the applicant appealed
two conditions of approval, one of which addressed the closure of the door on Borden
Street.
At the January 27, 1987, meeting, the City Council reviewed the appeals. The variance,
which permitted a stairwell and exit hallway to encroach into the required setback, was
overturned by a 5-0 vote. The CUP and parking plan were approved with modifications
by a 4-1 vote.
On April 19, 1988, the Planning Commission approved an additional parking plan between
Pacific Plaza, located at 2306 Pacific Coast Highway, and Hope Chapel to allow an
office addition at 2306 Pacific Coast Highway.
On November 3, 1988, the environmental review committee examined a conditional use
permit amendment application to open the door on Borden Street from 7:00 A.M. to 6:30
P.M. Monday through Friday only. They recommended a negative declaration and
requested that revised plans be submitted indicating the individual phases of expansion.
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On November 17, 1988, the environmental review committee examined a parking plan
amendment application to open the door on Borden Street from 7:00 A.M. to 6:30 P.M.
Monday through Friday only. They recommended a negative declaration.
Currently, Hope Chapel has an agreement with Pacific Plaza to provide 15 parking
spaces during midweek daytime hours in exchange for the use of 15 parking spaces at the
office building during evening and weekend hours. The applicants contend that the
requirement of closure of the door on Borden Street will jeopardize their parking plan;
the reason being the closure would limit access. Therefore, Pacific Plaza may dissolve
the agreement.
Staff has examined the site and agrees that the condition of closure may hamper
access. However, one of the conditions Hope Chapel appealed to the City Council on
January 27, 1989, was the requirement that the door on Borden Street not be used as
general access but for emergency purposes only and that panic hardware for the said door
be provided to permit access for emergencies only. City Council voted 4-1 to uphold this
requirement.
It was the original intent of the City Council to require the door closure to limit
disturbances to neighbors, and staff does not find grounds to justify change. In fact,
allowing the Borden Street opening to continue shall only encourage patrons to utilize on
street parking in the neighborhood because of easy access. It should be noted that
alternative access is available from Pacific Coast Highway and is more appropriate than
the proposed access.
Chmn. Peirce asked about the distance between the fifteen parking spots inside Hope
Chapel and the back of the building versus the distance from the fifteen spots in the
front of Hope Chapel.
Mr. Schubach stated that the difference is significant to a walker; staff actually walked
the distance to make the determination.
Mr. Schubach, in response to a comment by Comm. Ingell, explained that the "door" on
Borden Street is actually an opening in the wall as opposed to an actual door.
Chmn. Peirce asked whether Hope Chapel is actually in violation of the conditional use
permit by their not having a door in place.
Mr. Schubach explained that there were actually two separate conditional use permits
approved; the second CUP was never actually implemented for expansion of the interior
of the church, but the building next door did do a small expansion. The question of the
door arose during the discussion of the second CUP request; and that CUP has not been
executed. Staff felt therefore that they are not in violation of the existing CUP at this
time; however, they could be in violation in the future if the door is not installed.
Comm. Ingell commented that, as he remembered the original hearing on this matter,
there was a question regarding whether or not the door was supposed to be there at all.
Mr. Schubach noted that this matter has been ongoing for many years, even before he
arrived. Originally Hope Chapel had a CUP, and they were to seal off the emergency
doors. Hope Chapel later returned to the Building Department and requested that an
opening be allowed in the wall; the doors going out to the street were not unsealed, but a
new opening was created. The Building Department issued a permit; however, the permit
was never finalized and it expired.
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Comm. Rue felt that the ideal situation would be to keep the office building traffic off
of Borden Street Monday through Friday during the daytime hours, and to keep the Hope
Chapel traffic off of Borden Street on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and weekday nights.
Public Hearing opened at 9:01 P.M. by Chmn. Peirce.
Greg Scharf, representing Hope Chapel, addressed the Commission. He stated that he
was instrumental in submitting the amendment to the CUP application. He began by
correcting what he felt to be errors in the staff report. He stated that Hope Chapel has
a tentative agreement with 2306 P.C.H. (Loomis Building) for the fifteen parking
spaces. Hope Chapel has a 40-space easement situation with Pacific Plaza, which is next
door. He handed out photographs depicting the areas in question.
Mr. Scharf continued by discussing the photos. One photo showed the opening from the
inside of the Hope Chapel parking lot looking out onto Borden Street. Other photos
showed various views of the opening. He stated that there are four residences on Borden
Street, three of which are owned by Hope Chapel. He showed photos depicting the
surrounding residential area.
Mr. Scharf continued by discussing the physical layout of the streets in this area.
Chmn. Peirce asked how many parking spaces Hope Chapel has at the Loomis Building.
Mr. Scharf explained that as of April 19, Hope Chapel had applied to change fifteen
spaces with Loomis Building. The Commission, at that time, felt that if there were
enough parking spaces, that could be done; however, certain conditions were to be met,
one of which was to seal off the Borden Street exit, presumably because the Planning
Commission had concerns over people pouring out onto Borden Street and out to 24th
Street, thereby creating problems for the residents. That application belong to Loomis.
Chmn. Peirce asked whether the agreement with Loomis had been executed.
Mr. Scharf replied that it has not. He stated that Hope Chapel left that meeting
resigned to the fact that they were to block the opening on the Borden Street side. Mike
DeMott from Pacific Plaza called, after reading the Commission's decision, and stated
that there was a problem with the reciprocal easements executed with Pacific Plaza in
late 1983. There was a drawing attached which depicted the Borden Street hole in the
wall. Mr. DeMott asserted that the hole in the wall was bargained for in the easements;
if the easement is removed, they would take away the 40 parking spaces.
Mr. Scharf then set up a meeting with Mr. DeMott in an attempt to correct the
problem. He stated that it was not clear in the easement agreement that the hole in the
wall was, in fact, bargained for. The only mention was in the attached drawing. It is
therefore still unclear whether or not the opening was indeed bargained for.
Mr. Scharf stated that Mr. DeMott made the valid point that his people park underneath
Hope Chapel, and that fact is included in the leases. If that parking is taken away, it will
cost Mr. DeMott a great deal of money if he loses tenants. He stated that his people
walk out of the opening to go to their businesses. If they must walk on Borden Street to
Pacific Coast Highway, they won't do it because of the distance involved; they will park
on the residential streets. That situation would create even more problems.
Mr. Scharf stated that the issue is trying to solve everyone's problem in a satisfactory
manner. Therefore, Hope Chapel is proposing an amendment to close off the opening
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during the evening hours and on weekends. Hope Chapel will get no benefit, but it would
be mutually agreeable to both businesses and residents.
Mr. Scharf stated that Hope Chapel people were parking in the residential area in years
past for 8:00 P .M. and 10:00 P .M. services. However, parking was changed and there is
no longer a problem with the evening services.
Mr. Scharf stressed that the opening is not a general access door. He would be willing to
lock the door and pass out keys to authorized people. The door will be controlled. He
felt that this would solve the problem and be in everyone's best interest. He stated that
the door could be opened and closed each day at a designated time. He requested that
they be given three months to test this proposal.
Chmn. Peirce asked how the door will be controlled.
Mr. Scharf stated that someone from Hope Chapel could be designated to unlock the door
at 7:00 A.M. and then close it at 6:30 P.M.
Mr. Scharf replied, in response to a question from Comm. Ingell, that evening services
are now 8:00 P.M. and 11:00 P.M. The parking area has been opened to allow attendees
to park there in order to alleviate the problem on the residential streets.
Comm. Rue asked whether the concept of permit parking for the residents on Borden
Avenue has ever been addressed. He felt that permits might help solve the problem.
Mr. Scharf did not think permits had been contemplated. He noted that of the four
houses on Borden Street, three are owned by Hope Chapel. Also, the curb on Borden is
painted red, except for the three spaces in front of the businesses..
Mr. Scharf stated, in response to a question from Chmn. Peirce, that the City was not
involved in the 1983 agreement between Hope Chapel and Pacific Plaza; that was a
private situation between Hope Chapel and Pacific Plaza only in an attempt to alleviate
the parking problems.
Ann Latner, 936 24th Street, Hermosa Beach, stated that she spoke two years ago on this
matter when Hope Chapel was directed to seal off the opening and install emergency
only hardware for egress only; however, nothing was ever done. She felt that this matter
has gone on for too long now; and since Hope Chapel has not complied in the past, there
is no reason to believe they will comply now. She stated that church people do not park
on Borden because it is a red curb; so people come up the street and park in the
residential area. She stressed that in the past, Hope Chapel has been directed to seal the
opening, and no effort has been made by Hope Chapel to compromise.
Ms. Latner stated that Hope Chapel has done absolutely nothing to correct this problem,
and she sees no end to this problem. She stated that for the City to allow this problem to
continue, the rights of the residents are being violated. She asked that the door be shut
once and for all in order to stop these problems.
Ms. Latner felt that Hope Chapel must be made to comply with the requirements which
have already been imposed.
Ms. Latner, in response to a question from Comm. Rue, did not know if permit parking is
the answer to this problem. She did not feel the citizens would gain anything by having
to obtain permits. She felt that it is more appropriate to seal the door and have the
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people parking in the 15 spaces walk to their destination.
Ms. Latner, in response to a question from Comm. Edwards, stated that the Hope Chapel
problems occur mostly on the weekends.
Ellen Birnbaum, 832 21st Street, Hermosa Beach, agreed that Hope Chapel should be
required to seal the opening as they have been required to do in the past. She continued
by discussing the past problems and agreements at Hope Chapel. She stressed that the
problem is being exacerbated because nobody is monitoring the parking assignments as
contained in the agreement.
Ms. Birnbaum stated that the curb on Borden Street is painted red; however, people still
park there sometimes during peak hours. She stated that the congestion is terrible in the
area all day and all night. She questioned whether permit parking would help the
situation; however, she did not know what it would involve, but she felt it could be
studied.
Ms. Birnbaum stressed that there is no street parking left in the area; no one is
monitoring the various parking agreements in effect; and the parking and congestion are
ongoing at all hours of the day and night.
Barbara Bullard, 2200 Pacific Coast Highway, Suite 200, Hermosa Beach, representing
the management of Pacific Plaza, addressed the Commission. She stated that Pacific
Plaza has a reciprocal parking agreement with Hope Chapel whereby Pacific Plaza uses
40 parking spaces of Hope Chapel during business hours during the week in exchange for
Hope Chapel using 40 of their spaces on Friday and Saturday night and Sunday morning.
Ms. Bullard stated that there is a crucial parking problem in the City. In consideration of
this concern, management at Pacific Plaza has made certain parking agreements with
Hope Chapel as well as with Jeanette's Restaurant. The consideration is to try to solve
the parking problems of all three parties with a minimum impact to the surrounding
neighbors.
Ms. Bullard suggested that there be a locked door on the Borden Street exit. Someone
could be designated to unlock and lock the door at certain hours each day. She stated
that Pacific Plaza would like to keep the door open during business hours in order to
accommodate the business people parking in the Hope Chapel lot. By having the door
open, they will not have to walk as far to their offices. She stated that when people rent
office space, they expect to have safe, accessible parking.
Ms. Bullard stated that if the Borden Street access is closed off, the walk is much longer;
therefore, tenants will look for closer parking spaces, possibly on the residential streets.
Chmn. Peirce asked if it would be possible to relocate the parking spaces at Hope Chapel
so the people don't have to walk so far.
Ms. Bullard stated that that is a possibility. She stated that the closest parking is
reserved for visitors.
Ms. Bullard stated that she would have no objection to having the door keyed so that only
certain individuals would be able to access the door.
Christine Purcell, 912 24th Street, Hermosa Beach, stated that this is not a simple
matter, but rather one which has been going on for years. She stated that there are
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other ways to correct this other than allowing the opening to remain. She stated that the
traffic generated by the opening has been horrendous. She stated that the quality of life
has been very adversely affected by allowing this opening to remain. She also noted
concern over safety for the children in the area. She stressed that the door is not
necessary.
Ms. Purcell noted that Hope Chapel has been told repeatedly to close the opening, and
they have done nothing thus far. She stated that there are other ways to correct this
problem. She noted concern over property values being affected by the traffic and
congestion. She concluded by noting that the parking agreements are not being
monitored by anyone in the City.
Rick Thompson, Hope Chapel Administrator, clarified that the requirement that Hope
Chapel seal the opening was in response to the second CUP request, which was never
implemented. That was the only time they were directed to seal the opening. He stated
that Hope Chapel is not trying to better its position by requesting that the opening
remain. He stated that the request is merely an attempt to be a good neighbor to the
Loomis Building.
Mr. Thompson stated that Hope Chapel is attempting to correct a problem, rather than
to create a problem.
Ann Latner stated that she would have no objection to the tenants being provided with
keys so that they could access the opening during certain monitored hours. She noted
concern, however, over the number of keys which would be issued.
Dan Goodrich, on behalf of Hope Chapel, stated that Hope Chapel itself will not use the
door; it will be used only by the 40 people at Pacific Plaza. He f.elt that key distribution
would be a viable solution.
Chmn. Peirce asked whether Hope Chapel would agree to install a door with a lock and
distribute keys to the appropriate people.
Mr. Goodrich replied in the affirmative. He stated that the door could be installed so
that it closes and locks behind each person; so there will be no unauthorized uses.
Ms. Purcell stated that the entire issue here is one of density. She noted that the CUP
runs with the building; and she questioned what would happen if Hope Chapel leaves. She
noted concern over safety in the area as well as property values. She stated that future
impacts must be considered.
Mr. Thompson requested that Loomis and Eyck also be given ten keys; however, if that
request will delay the process, they would be willing to withdraw the request.
Reverend Parker gave background information on why the curb on Borden is red, stating
that it was to protect the residential area from commercial interests. He could not
believe that this issue was being heard again. He stated that he understood the problems
at Hope Chapel; however, he noted the importance of their cooperating with the
neighbors. He favored closing the opening because there is too much traffic and
congestion already. The hole in the wall should never have been allowed in the first
place, and in fact was never approved by any City body. He stated that only so many
cars can park in a certain area, and this area is already too crowded.
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Rev. Parker agreed with the staff recommendation on this matter, to not allow the
opening to remain. He stated that the people at Pacific Plaza could make a hole
elsewhere in the garage for the tenants to use. He noted that the City Council directed
a year and a half ago that the opening be closed; however, nothing has been done.
Mr. Scharf stated that many of the problems foreseen by residents will not actually come
to pass. He pointed out that there is, as part of this amendment, another aspect, and
that is there is a parking plan underneath Hope Chapel whereby they are seeking to
reduce the number of spots because they are not in conformance to the code. Their
architect is attempting to submit a new plan. He stated that the area will be restriped
properly.
Mr. Schubach explained that staff went out and examined the parking when the first
conditional use permit application was received. It was discovered that the area was not
properly striped in regard to minimum standard stall widths and lengths, as well as
turning area; therefore, it is necessary to correct that problem by restriping to the
correct standards.
Mr. Goodrich explained that Hope Chapel was advised that it was necessary to restripe
the parking lot according to the terms of what was previously approved in the CUP;
restriping, however, will reduce the parking spaces to 129 from the current 135.
Public Hearing closed at 9:56 P.M. by Chmn. Peirce.
Chmn. Peirce stated that the neighbors feel the best solution would be to close the
opening entirely; however, in the interests of the businesses, it would be better to allow
access during certain monitored hours.
Chmn. Peirce felt that key distribution to authorized people and a self-locking door
seems to be the ideal solution to this problem. He recommended that this suggestion be
implemented for a certain time period to see whether it works. If it is not working, Hope
Chapel could then be directed to seal the door.
Mr. Schubach, in response to a question from Comm. Edwards, gave background
information as to how this situation has transpired.
Comm. Edwards commented on the concept of distributing keys. He stated that it would
be easy for people to have the keys copied and then pass them out to unauthorized
people. Also, it would be easy for people to put something in the door, such as a brick, to
keep it open at all times. He felt that this could pose a problem. He noted that this
issue has been previously addressed, and each time it was recommended that the opening
be closed. He therefore favored that the opening be sealed, and other alternatives be
studied, such as relocation of the opening.
MOTION by Chmn. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Rue, to direct that a self-locking door
(locking in both directions) be installed within one month from the date of this approval;
that serialized keys stating "No copies to be made" be issued, 40 to Pacific Plaza and l 0
to Loomis Eyck; and that the progress be reviewed in seven months at another hearing to
determine if the method is working; if not working, at that time the Planning
Commission shall direct that the door be closed.
Comm. Rue suggested that the issue of parking permits be studied.
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Comm. Rue stated that he at one time favored closing off the opening; however, the best
way to mitigate the problem appears to be to get the tenants off of the street.
Therefore, he strongly favored the motion.
Chmn. Peirce stated that Hope Chapel will have one month to install the door and six
months to have trial use of the door. He stated that the door will be monitored by the
City.
Comm. Edwards noted that the residents have lived with this problem for several years
with no end in site. Therefore, he favored closing the opening.
Comm. Ketz favored the trial period.
Comm. Ingell favored having emergency hardware on the door.
Chmn. Peirce disagreed, stating that that is not a required door or a fire exit.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Ingell, Ketz, Rue, Chmn. Peirce
Comm. Edwards
None
None
Chmn. Peirce stated that the decision of the Planning Commission may be appealed by
writing to the City Council within ten days.
Recess taken from 10:09 P .M. until 10: 17 P .M.
ZONE CHANGE FROM M-1 AND OPEN SPACE TO R-2 OR TO SUCH OTHER ZONE AS
DEEMED APPROPRIATE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT AND VESTING TENTATIVE TRACT MAP //46903 FOR A 15-UNIT
CONDOMINIUM PROJECT LOCATED AT 603 FIRST STREET AND ADOPTION OF AN
ENVIRONMENTAL NEGATIVE DECLARATION (CONTINUED FROM 12/6/88 MEETING)
Mr. Schubach gave staff report dated December 12, 1988. Staff recommended approval
of the zone change, vesting tentative tract map, and conditional use permit.
Mr. Schubach stated that there are three alternatives: (1) rezone the subject property to
a Specific Plan Area to limit density to the equivalent of two units per lot assuming that
the property can be divided into six 4,000 square foot lots; (2) leave the property zoned
R-2, M-1 and Open Space and change the general plan from medium density residential to
manufacturing and open space for those portions with corresponding zoning; (3)
redesignate and rezone the property low density residential including the remaining lot.
The staff environmental review committee, at their meeting of October 20, 1988,
requested that the applicant revise the original plans to correct problems with
landscaping, guest parking and the turning radius. Also, the Public Works Department
requested that a parking study be prepared for the project. Based on these conditions,
the staff environmental review committee recommended a negative declaration for the
project.
At the December 6, 1988, meeting, the Planning Commission continued this matter
because of improper noting, a result of the applicant sending notices without proper
postage.
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The property is designated in the general plan as medium density; the corresponding
zoning for medium density is R-2. Currently the property is zoned M-1, R-2, and Open
Space. In the past, M-1 zoning had some logic since there was a railroad sub-spur line
abutting the property to the south. The rail line was abandoned and the property was
sold to a private party. This property has now become part of the subject property and
inadvertently rezoned open space when the main spur line, now known as the "Green
Belt" was rezoned open space. However, it may be argued that it was never the intent of
the City to rezone this property open space since it was never specifically discussed or
shown on any map until after staff discovered that it was railroad right-of-way and
determined that it was inadvertently zoned open space. If it were determined that there
was no intent to rezone it open space, and therefore it was not rezoned, then this portion
of the subject property would revert to the railroad right-of-way classification which
limits its use to railroad purposes only. Staff does not believe the City intended to
rezone private property to open space; but being classified as railroad right-of-way limits
the use of the property even further. The railroad should have not sold this property to a
private party without first asking the City to rezone it. The property has been in private
hands for approximately 40 years, and has not been used as a railroad right-of-way.
The City has the legal obligation to rezone the entire subject property to correspond to
the general plan. If the City does not rezone the property, it is in violation of State law.
The subject property is 26,.319 square feet; and under R-2 zoning a total of 15 dwelling
units would be allowed. This number is equal to 25 units per acre. Although it may seem
that other lots with, for example, two units have a lesser density, in many cases the
density is no different. The lot is just smaller in size and the two units equates to 25
units per acre.
The general plan designation is medium density, and the sun:ounding properties to the
east, west, and south are also medium density. The zoning is generally R-2. However, a
small amount of R-1 exists to the west, and M-1 to the north and south. R-2 zoning on
the subject property would be a logical extension to the R-2 zoning abutting the property
to the east.
Alternative 1: To rezone the subject property to Specific Plan Area is another method of
implementing the general plan and enables the City to, for example, limit density.
Through a specific plan, other standards may also be imposed, such as setbacks, open
space, parking, etc.
Since the property is large enough and has adequate frontage on a public street to be
subdivided, staff computed how many 4000 square foot lots could be created. Assuming a
total of six lots of 4000 square feet could be created, a total of twelve units, two per lot,
could be developed at a density of 21.78 units per acre. This density is generally equal to
density found in the surrounding neighborhood, although there are some higher densities
since the surrounding area was once zoned R-3.
Staff believes it would be detrimental to subdivide the property. The result would be the
"row housing" currently being built with almost lot line to lot line lot coverage, no
amenities, front yards almost completely covered with driveway, and only a small
amount of landscaping.
Alternative 2: The property could have a general plan amendment so that the
designation corresponded to the current zoning. This would result most likely in inverse
condemnation for the open space zoned portion since none of the permitted uses under
open space would be economically viable on a lot that small (261.3 square feet).
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However, the City could buy the open space portion of the property and create a park.
If the M zoned portion were redesignated, the result could be manufacturing uses which
should be, by anyone's standards, the worst possible development that could occur. In
every respect, this property is not viable for manufacturing uses. It is located on narrow
local streets not suitable for truck traffic, and it is abutting residential development.
Noise, fumes, dust, toxic chemicals, and potential fires all could significantly impact the
health, safety, and welfare of the adjacent residences, and all are associated with
manufacturing-type uses. Also, the appearance of manufacturing-type buildings and
signs would detract from the surrounding neighborhood and have a negative impact on
property values.
Alternative 3: The property and adjacent block could be rezoned and redesignated low
density, as a small segment of property to the northwest of Ardmore Avenue is zoned. If
this were to occur, then of course, the property would be subdivided into minimum 4000
square foot lots.
It should be noted that even though the property to the northwest is zoned R-1, the lots
are considerably smaller, with an average size of 2600 square feet; whereas, the average
size of the lots between First Street and First Place is 4600 square feet.
The proposed development consists of 15 dwelling units, which is equal to 25 units per
acre. Lot coverage is 43 percent, which is significantly lower than typical developments
currently being proposed which generally have lot coverage between 63 and 65 percent.
The reduced lot coverage is a result of the relatively large lot compared to the typical
size in the City. Open space also significantly exceeds the minimum requirement
because of the large size of the lot; 428 square feet per unit. is proposed, which is 128
square feet per unit in excess of the minimum. Typically, only the minimum open space
requirement is met, and it is all on decks and balconies. In this project, 3398 square feet
of open space is at ground level.
Ample landscaping is being provided in all the setback areas. Since the front setback
need not be utilized for driveways and guest parking, the amount of landscaped area is
significantly above average.
Architectural treatment is also superior. It includes some dome and pyramid roof
structures, stucco projections, ins and outs, sconce lights, sand finish stucco, cross
hatched windows, and a unique multi-colored paint finish.
All other minimum zoning standards are met.
The driveway is the least desirable aspect of the project because of its long, massive
appearance. Staff believes that the driveway, therefore, should be constructed of press
concrete or similar material to make it aesthetically pleasing.
Mr. Schubach read into the record the "Summary and Conclusion Report" submitted by
Justin F. Farmer of Transportation Engineers, Inc.:
II • A proposal has been made to construct 15 residential condominium units on a
26,319 square foot site east of Ardmore A venue and north of First Street in
Hermosa Beach.
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• A total of 38 parking spaces will be provided, 30 of which will be for
residential use and 8 for guests.
• A trip forecast for the project is as follows:
AM PM
IN OUT IN OUT
Residential 88 l 6 6 3
• Because of the very minimal number of trips associated with the project,
there will be virtually no impact on the adjacent streets.
• Two cumulative projects were assessed, both of which have quite nominal
future trip generation.
• No mitigation measures are needed to accommodate project or cumulative
volumes along the site frontage.
• Adequate parking is provided on-site for residents and users of the site.
• There will be a nominal amount of project traffic using local residential
streets, except on First Street between the site and Pacific Coast Highway.
The conclusion, therefore, is that the project can be accommodated at the site without
any undue adverse impact."
Mr. Schubach then read into the record the response on the-0 5ummary and Conclusion"
report. The response was submitted by Ed Ruzak, Ed Ruzak and Associates, Inc, dated
December l, 1988:
"I have completed a review of a traffic impact report for the subject project and have
the following comments:
I am in agreement with the consultant's findings. He has taken in consideration the
cumulative projects in the area and has looked at the distribution and assessment of trips
to the site.
His discussion of the neighborhood impacts from an environmental standpoint should
provide the lay reader with a reasonable guideline.
I do not necessarily agree with the statement he makes at the bottom of Page 15 as it
applies to these type streets (residential/collector). We know that intrusion on
residential streets does exist at volume levels well over the 1200 vpd level shown in
Table 4. This is not the case on the streets in this area. Volume levels are low.
My only real concern with the study is the lack of mention of the driveway location
proximate to the Ardmore/ 1st intersection.
It is my opinion that a 20' driveway as the sole access is too narrow. A wider opening and
rounded curb, curve radii would be more desirable than the simple "x" cut driveway.
Second, I believe it will be necessary to remove parking on a permanent basis on 1st
Street from Ardmore to the easternmost limits of the project in order to provide
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sufficient sight distance for vehicles emerging from the site and for vehicles traveling on
First Street."
Comm. Edwards stated that he would abstain from discussion on this matter, since he
lives within 300 feet of the proposed project.
Mr. Lough explained for the benefit of the Commission the new guidelines enacted by the
Fair Political Practices Commission regarding the determination of conflict of interest
matters. One is now presumed to have a financial conflict if one lives within 300 feet of
a project, unless one can prove there is no change in value.
Mr. Lough continued by explaining how one would go about proving there is no conflict of
interest.
Chmn. Peirce did not agree with the new guidelines for conflict of interest matters,
stating that Commissioners will have to abstain for no good reason in the future.
Mr. Lough noted that even though Comm. Rue was absent for the first hearing on this
matter, he has read the minutes and listened to the tapes of the meeting; therefore, he is
fully informed and can participate in this hearing.
Comm. Rue noted the large amount of open space proposed for this project.
Public Hearing opened at l 0:42 P .M. by Chmn. Peirce.
Patrick Killin, 312 South Catalina, Redondo Beach, project architect, addressed the
Commission. He stated that the proposed project was designed to the R-2 standards,
which he feels is compatible with what is currently existing_in the area. He noted that
the units have been made smaller in order to create real, usable open space at the ground
level.
Mr. Killin also stated that an attempt was made to minimize the impact of the driveway
and the paved area from the perception of the City and the community, thereby
internalizing the parking area and driveway space to the center of the lot and creating
only one in/out onto 1st Street. He stated that he has no problem with increasing the
width of the driveway as was suggested by the consultant.
Mr. Killin stated that his biggest concerns are to preserve as much on-street parking as
possible in the area and to maintain the R-2 standards.
Mr. Killin noted that this project well exceeds the minimum requirements for open
space. It is also well under the maximum allowed lot coverage.
Mr. Killin continued his presentation by discussing the site plan for the project,
explaining the setbacks and locations for the proposed buildings as shown on the
drawings. He noted that Buildings A and B will each have four units; Building C has two
units; and Building D has five units. There will a ten-foot setback at the 1st Place.
Mr. Killin noted the importance of achieving active recreation space for this project. He
continued by discussing the drawing which depicted Building C Basement/Garage Floor
Plan. He also commented on the drawings representing the first and second floors of
Building C. He said that the buildings are considered two stories and a basement. He
noted that the balcony off of the smaller bedrooms is not even counted in the open space
calculations; however, it was included for aesthetic purposes and to reduce the bulk of
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the building.
Mr. Killin showed drawings representing the west elevation of Buildings A and B. He
commented on the proposed exterior treatment, including the doors, windows, and
architectural decoration, including the sconce lights and balconies.
Mr. Killin continued by commenting on the isometric drawings for Buildings A and B.
Mr. Killin showed a north elevation drawing of Building C, which is a two unit building.
He then displayed an isometric drawing of the building.
Mr. Killin presented a view of the east elevation of Building D, which will have five
units; also shown was an isometric rendering of Building D.
Mr. Killin felt that the proposed project is a compromise which will be of benefit to all
concerned parties. He felt that the units are aesthetically pleasing and have ample open
space.
Polly Schneider, 157 Ardmore Avenue, Hermosa Beach, directly across the street from
the proposed project, noted concern over density and traffic. She also noted concern
over the fact that another 13-unit building is being proposed for the site of the old gas
company. She stated that the cumulative effects of all these projects must be
addressed. She questioned the accuracy of the traffic study which was prepared for the
project. She stated that parking in the area is already very bad. She noted that other
properties in the area are subject to zone changes in the future; she felt all of these
properties should be addressed together once the rezoning is concluded. She noted that
low density in the City has been an objective for several years. She felt that this
property should be rezoned to R-1.
Mr. Schubach explained the past and current zoning in the subject area; stating that it
was originally R-3 and is now generally going towards R-2. There is a small amount of M
zoning left between 1st Place and 2nd Street; also between 2nd and 3rd, but most of that
has been rezoned to R-2.
Mr. Schubach, responding to a comment by Comm. Rue, explained that the traffic study
did take into account other projects which may be built in this area.
Herb Schneider, 157 Ardmore Avenue, Hermosa Beach, felt that the proposed project is
too dense. He favored lowering density in the City, and he felt that the lots should be
larger. He stressed that the area is already too dense.
Jan McHugh, 718 1st Place, Hermosa Beach, stated that the proposed project is too large
for the area. She disagreed with the traffic study, stating that the added traffic will add
greatly to the congestion in the area. She stated that the area should be rezoned to R-1,
because that is all the area can handle. She suggested that the Commission look to the
future in regard to allowing these developments. She stated that the additional
developments will create more traffic and parking problems. She felt that the required
parking is not adequate.
Susan Johnson, niece of the present majority owner of the project site, stated that the
Johnsons have owned this land for 25 years, during which most of that time the property
was zoned R-3, but has now been downzoned to R-2. The owners were led to believe that
the M zoning would also be rezoned.
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r-,, Ms. Johnson discussed the past history of the property, stating that the owners have been
wanting to do something with the property. She stated that the owners should not be
penalized just because they happen to own a large parcel, rather than several smaller
lots.
Ms. Johnson stated that the proposed development will provide continuity, rather than a
choppy, bulky project. She felt it will flow nicely, and she felt that the property will be
well utilized.
Pat Sirlin, 614 1st Place, Hermosa Beach, felt that 15 1,1nits is too much for the area; she
favors the property being developed; however, she felt that the only appropriate zoning
would be R-1.
John McHugh, 718 1st Place, Hermosa Beach, noted concern over parking problems in the
area. He felt that this development is too large for the area and will generate too much
traffic. He noted that the congestion becomes worse during the summer months. He
stated that the cumulative impacts of other projects must be considered. He favored
rezoning this property to R-1.
Mr. Killin stated that the traffic study did in fact take into consideration the other new
developments proposed for this area. He noted that, he too, lives in Hermosa Beach and
has concerns for the area. He stated that in this case, it is important to determine not
only what is appropriate for this particular site, but also for the entire south end of
town. He stated that the zoning code and the general plan is in effect and is to be used
as the guideline for projects. He stated that the lot as it currently exists is not
consistent. As a resident of the City, he did not favor zoning it for manufacturing
because it does not fit. He also did not feel R-1 would be appropriate because there is no
other R-1 zoning on that side of Ardmore; everything is R-2.
Mr. Killin said that every effort was made in designing this project to have it conform
with the surrounding neighborhood. He also considers this to be a good development. He
noted that there will always be parking problems in the City. He felt that R-2 zoning
would be a reasonable compromise for that area.
Public Hearing closed at 11 :23 P .M. by Chmn. Peirce.
Comm. Ingell questioned whether rezoning this area to R-1 would actually be a solution;
however, he felt that fifteen units is too many for this site. He stated that this is a
beautiful project, but it is too large. He felt R-2 with 12 units would be a more
appropriate compromise. He also felt that the parking standards are not stringent
enough for this piece of property; and this might be the time to implement higher parking
standards. He felt three parking spaces per unit would be more appropriate. He also felt
that the setback on Ardmore should be a front yard setback as opposed to a side yard
setback, since it is the longest frontage on the property. He stated that he could not
support 15 units at this property.
Comm. Rue stated that zoning codes are implemented in order to give developers
direction by which to proceed when they are designing projects. He noted that there
have been many recent changes in the ordinance. He noted that this project provides a
great deal of open space on the ground, and the lot coverage is well below the maximum
allowed by the code. He noted that since buildings are sold by the square footage, the
developer is giving up a lot by having smaller units to allow for ample open space. By
providing the additional open space, he felt that a compromise has been made in this
project; therefore, he stated he could sup.port the project as proposed.
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Comm. Rue noted that the parking requirements of two spaces per unit, plus eight guest
parking spaces, does meet the current code; and he had no problem with the proposed
parking. If it is determined that the parking requirements are not adequate, he said that
the code should be changed. He did not feel the developer should be penalized if the
parking requirements are not adequate. He felt that the developer has complied with the
requirements on this project.
Comm. Ketz felt that this project provides a better design than if the site were divided
into four lots with two to four units per lot. She agreed that the project provides ample
usable open space as well as a nice design. She did note, however, that the streets are
narrow in that area, and there are problems with congestion. She felt that additional
guest parking spaces would be appropriate, especiaHy since weekend traffic is heavier.
She stated, however, that she could support the design and density of the project as
proposed.
Chmn. Peirce stated that he has been a long-term advocate of building to the standards
for apartments, and trying to make condominiums more than just apartments. He
stressed the condos are not apartments; therefore, condominium approval is a
discretionary act. If the Planning Commission feels higher standards are necessary, then
stricter standards can be implemented.
Chmn. Peirce felt that it is important to demand more of condominiums than of
apartments; and it would be in the best interests of the City if this were done at this
project by way of a specific plan area.
Chmn. Peirce felt that the project as proposed does not provide adequate parking; the
setbacks are not large enough; and the density is too high.
Chmn. Peirce did not think a rezone to R-1 would be appropriate, because R-1 is well
below the property value for the area; further, the property to the east will be developed
to the R-2 standards, and the properties across Ardmore are very small.
MOTION by Chmn. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Ingell, to designate this area a Specific
Plan Area; to require a ten-foot setback along Ardmore; to allow 13 units; and to require
three parking spaces for each unit.
Comm. Rue asked whether it is possible to park in front of the garages of the proposed
project; even though the area might not be large enough to qualify as a regulation
parking space.
Mr. Killin replied that there are several locations where the driveway is wider than
necessary and where someone could parallel park in front of the garages without creating
a problem; therefore, an additional six spaces could be obtained by such parking. Those
spaces, however, do not meet the parking standards.
Mr. Killin commented on the motion for a Specific Plan Area, stating that if the SPA is
voted upon, he would like to request specific direction as to how to proceed with the
project. He noted that standards are in place, and an attempt is made to work within
those standards.
Comm. Rue stated that requiring more parking necessitates the need for more concrete,
which he is opposed to. He felt that if there is usable parking space, people will park in
that space, even though it may not actually be standard size. He discussed the ten-foot
setback on Ardmore, stating that Building A is at a nine-foot setback; Building B, with its
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five-foot setback, is the location where the additional parking could be gained. He felt
that common sense should be used in making this decision.
Chmn. Peirce stressed that the standards in place are for apartments, not condominiums;
and condominiums are not apartments. He stated that there is currently no zoning code
for condominiums.
Comm. Rue felt that the developer has compromised in regard to the open space and
square footage of the units. He stated that square footage equals dollars to the
developer.
Comm. Ketz favored additional parking for this project; however, in reality, if additional
parking can in fact be gained by using the extra space, she could she no reason to require
the additional setbacks at Building B.
Chmn. Peirce reiterated his motion, stating that he proposes to increase the parking to
three spaces per unit; require a ten-foot setback on Ardmore; and allow only 13 units.
The units could then be made larger, and additional parking could be obtained.
Comm. Ingell, as second, stated that he would support 13 units; however, he felt that 12
units would be more appropriate.
Public Hearing reopened at 11 :39 P .M. by Chmn. Peirce.
Jim Marquez, 1334 Park View Avenue, Manhattan Beach, commented on the discussion by
the Commission, stating that the applicant would concur with one exception; that they
would favor a condition in the CUP that the revised plans be subject to the approval of
staff, so that the applicant does not have to come before the0 .Commission with a Specific
Plan Area, which they feel to be unnecessary. The plan as designed by the architect is
sufficient in its design scope to accommodate the concerns of the Commission to lower
the density and to address the concerns of the neighborhood to add more parking so that
the impact of this project is lessened.
Herb Schneider, 157 Ardmore Avenue, Hermosa Beach, noted concern that this project
was designed before the zone change was even approved.
Kim Turrett, 501 Herondo, which is a 75-unit condominium development adjacent to the
proposed development, stated that there are already tremendous parking problems and
congestion in the area. He asked that the Commission do everything possible to reduce
the traffic in the community.
Public Hearing closed at 11:44 P.M.
Chmn. Peirce noted that the applicant prefers to have specific guidelines rather than the
Specific Plan Area. He asked for direction from staff.
Mr. Schubach stated that a Specific Plan Area would not delay this project. Further, the
conditional use permit will expire in two years if not implemented, but once the zone is
changed to R-2, it will remain R-2. There is nothing holding the applicant to the
conditional use permit; whereas, with a Specific Plan Area, the project is actually set
with the standards imposed by the Commission. He noted that the time frame would be
the same whether there is a zone change request or an SPA.
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Mr. Lough concurred with staff; however, he noted that with an SPA many issues must be
specifically addressed such as setbacks, density, public improvements, interface with
streets, curb and gutter cuts, and sidewalks. Therefore, with the SPA, the project must
come back before the Commission. He noted concern, though, over tying a reduction in
units into the CUP as a condition.
Comm. Rue noted, however, that the applicant has agreed ~o lower the number of units
to 13 as proposed; therefore, he suggested that the zone change be recommended.
Chmn. Peirce noted that the zone change will automatically go before the City Council.
Comm. Ingell noted that a criterion for approval is that "the project shall conform to all
zoning and condominium criteria and will be compatible with adjacent residential
properties." Since 15 units is felt to be too excessive to be compatible, he felt that this
requirement gives the Commission the purview to reduce the number of units to 13.
Mr. Schubach advised that, if the Commission desires to recommend the R-2 zoning at
this time, conditions can be added to the CUP stating that there is to be a maximum of
13 units for this project, that there be three parking spaces per unit; and that there be a
minimum 10-foot setback on all three street sides. A condition could also be added that
the revised plans shall be subject to approval by the staff.
Comm. Ketz stated that she would support thirteen units with the additional parking.
MOTION WITHDRAWN by Chmn. Peirce.
MOTION by Chmn. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Ingell, to recommend a zone change from
M and Open Space to R-2 for this property; and that the zone:dlange shall be contingent
upon implementation of a conditional use permit, which will follow.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Ingell, Ketz, Rue, Chmn. Peirce
None
Comm. Edwards
None
MOTION by Chmn. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Ingell, to approve Resolution P .C. 89-4,
with the following modifications: (1) each appearance in the resolution of the number of
units shall be changed to reflect that the number of units is to be reduced from 15 to 13;
(2) ten-foot setbacks shall be required on all three sides of the property; (3) three parking
spaces per unit shall be required; (4) if the CUP is not implemented within two years, the
R-2 zoning shall revert back to the M-1 and Open Space zoning.
Mr. Schubach noted that Condition No. 1 specifies that plans shall be subject to approval
of staff.
Mr. Lough explained that if the CUP is not implemented within the two-year period, the
zone change would become null and void and the zoning would revert to M and Open
Space.
Mr. Marquez stated that the applicant agrees to the proposed changes.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSTAIN:
ABSENT:
Comms. Ingell, Ketz, Rue, Chmn. Peirce
None
Comm. Edwards
None
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Chmn. Peirce stated that the decision of the Planning Commission may be appealed by
writing to the City Council within ten days.
STAFF ITEMS
a.) Memorandum Regarding City Council/Planning Commission Workshop
b.)
The City Council/Planning Commission workshop will be held on Tuesday,
January 31, 1989, at 7:45 P.M.
Several issues were suggested for discussion at the workshop: parking standards,
apartment standards versus condominium standards, circulation element,
expansion of non-conforming structures, development standards, downtown, and
the multi-use corridor.
Planning Department Activity Report for November 1988
The Commission discussed the activity report. No action taken.
c.) Memorandum Regarding Planning Commission Liaison for 1/ 10/89 City Council
Meeting
No one will attend.
d.) City Council Minutes of November 22, 1988
No comments. No action.
e.) Letters from Mr. Parker Herriott
Chmn. Peirce recommended that staff not make copies, distribute, or apply
postage to letters submitted by citizens and containing a distribution list.
COMMISSIONER ITEMS
Comm. Ingell asked about the storage of materials on City streets during construction,
thereby taking up parking spaces.
Mr. Lough stated that the Public Works Department issues encroachment permits to
allow storage of materials on City streets during construction.
MOTION by Chmn. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Rue, to adjourn at 12:15 A.M. No
objections; so ordered.
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CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing . minutes are ·a true and complete record of the
action taken by the Planning Commission of Hermosa Beach at the regularly scheduled
meeting of January 3, 1989. • • • • • ••
¥mes Peirce;Chairman
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Date
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