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MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF HERMOSA BEACH HELV ON
VECEMBER 18, 1984, IN THE CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 7:30 P.M.
Mee.ting ca.lle.d to onde.n by Comm. Pe.Ince. at 7:35 P.M.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT:
ABSENT:
COMMS. She.ldon, Pe.Ince., Ne.wton, and Schulte..
CHMN. Izant, COMMS. Compton and Shapino.
ALSO PRESENT: Kim Re.a.ndon-Cnite.-0, Ralph Ca-0tane.da, and
Linda. Bnown Bnayton.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Comm. Pe.Ince. Jtate.d to continue. the. Minute.-0 until Ja.nuany 15, 1985.
APPROVAL OF RESOLUTIONS
Comm. Schulte. que.Jtione.d on the 0ive.-unit condominium at 926 1-0t Stne.e.t
whe.the.n that wa.-0 a condominium.
Comm. Pe.Ince. ne.plie.d in the. po-0itive..
Comm. Schulte. Jtate.d that he. wa-0 un de.n the. impne.-0-0ion that ce.ntain
thing-0 we.ne. to be. bnought back to t he. Planning Commi-0¢ion. Fon in-0ta.nce.
Ite.m #9, the. La.nd-0ca.ping Plan, Comm. S c hulte. que.-0tione.d whethe.n that
ne.ede.d to come. ba.cR to the Planning Commih-0ion on only to the. Ve.pantment
Sta.6 6.
Comm. Pe.Ince. ne.plie.d that the.ne. we.ne. thne.e. thing-0: the. e.a.-0t 0a.cade.,
-0olid block wall on the. we.Jt -0ide., and the. land-0caping plan.
Comm. Schulte. ne.plie.d that No. 11 doe.-0 not ne.e.d to be. appnove.d by
anybody. That that i-0 ju-0t a -0olid block wall on the. we.-0t. Although
he. wa-0 unde.n the. impnu-0io n that th,i.J wa-0 going to come ba.cR to the.
Planning Commi-0-0ion to make. June. the.Je. thing-0 happen.
Comm. Sheldon ne.plie.d that it doe.-0 not ne.e.d to come. bacR to the.
Planning Commi-0-0ion a.-0 long a-0 Jta.66 i-0 dine.cte.d.
Comm. Pe.Ince. a.gne.e.d with Comm. Sheldon.
Comm. Newton ne.plie.d that that i-0 al-00 he.n ne.colle.ction.
Motion by Comm. She.ldon, Je.conde.d by Comm. Newton, to appnove. Re.-0olution
P.C. 84-32, P.C. 84-33, and P.C. 84-34.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAIN:
Comm-0. Sheldon, Newton, Pe.Ince., and Schulte..
None..
Chmn. Izant, Comm-0. Compton and Shapino.
None..
CONTINUEV PUBLIC HEARINGS
401 MONTEREY -continued to Ja.nuany 15, 1985. M-0. Re.a.ndon-Cnite.-0 Jtate.d
tha.t the. ne.aJon thi-0 ite.m i-0 being continued to Januany 15, 1985 i-0 that
the. applicant ha-0 not 6ini-0he.d pne.pa.ning the. pla.n-0 a-0 pe.n Planning
Commi-0.i.ion.
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, VECEMBER 18, 1984 Pa.ge. 2
Ope.n Public. He.a.4ing
M.i.k.e. D 40,t;tma.n, 615 S. Ca..:t alina., Re.don.do Be.a.ch, 1.d.a.;te.d he. i'-> ;the. owne.4
o 0 the. pnoje.c .t . He ca.me ;to 1.>e.e. i 6 the.4e. we.4e. a.ny que.1.ition1.i a.-6 ;to why
thi-6 i -0 b ung contin u ed . Ba.1.icia.l ly, it i1.i be.ing c.ontinue.d to a.lte.4 the.
pla.n l.i --t o take. th e. bulk. out 06 the. building. That i1.i be.ing done. now.
Comm. Pe.i4c.e. 4e.plie.d .ta can.tinue. .the. Public. He.a4ing until Ja.nua4y 15, 1985.
142 ARVMORE -M1.>. Re.a4don-C4ite..o 1.ita.te.d tha..t thi1.i i.te.m, once. again, i1.>
be.ing c.a nti nue.d .ta the. ne.xt me.e..ting. Comm. Camp.ton i1.i a.b1.ie.nt .tanigh.t
who i.6 involved wi.th .th~ p4ajec..:t. She. 1.ita.;te.d that he. did want ;to be.
p4e.J.ie.n;t a..t -the. .time. .the. p4aje.c.t wa.1.i di1.>cu.o-0e.d. The. p4aje.c.t a.pplic.a.n;t
ha..6 a.g4e.e.d ;ta a.no-the.4 c.an-tinua.nc.e.. S-ta.66 ii.> 4e.c.omme.nding -that thi.6
would be. c.an-tinue.d to -the. ne.xt p4oje.c..t meeting, Ja.nua.4y 15, 1985.
Comm. Sheldon que.1.>-tione.d whe.-the.4 Camm. Campton unden1.itand1.i .tha..:t he.
cannot pa.4-tic.ipa..:te. in ;thi.6 in any wa.y.
M.o. Re.a.ndon-C4ite.1.i 1.i.ta;te.d in the. a.06i4ma..tive. .:tha.;t he. dae.1.i unde.41.>.ta.nd.
Open Public. He.a4ing
Shawn Gu-th4e.y, 555 Pie.4 Ave.nue., 1.>.:ta.te.d .:tha.;t he. i-0 -the. owne.4 06 .the.
p4ope.4.:ty. He. e.xplaine.d .:tha..:t .the. ma.in 4e.a.1.ian .:tha..t .:thi.6 i.6 being con.:tinue.d
i.6 be.c.a.u1.ie. he. i.o in.:te.4e.1.>.:te.d in 1.ie.e.ing wha..:t kind 06 di4e.c..:tian .the.
Planning Commi.o.oion i.ti going .ta go on .the. Public. Wo4kJ.ihop. He. 1.>ta..:te.d
.:tha.:t Je.44y wa..o onigina.lly hi4e.d a..o .the. a.4chi.:tec.:t, bu.:t M4. Gu.:th4e.y ha.1.i
de.c.ide.d .ta de.1.>ign .the. p4aje.c..:t him1.ie.l6. Je.44y'1.i 1.ie.4vic.e.1.i will no.:t be.
ne.e.de.d any lange.4.
Comm. S chul t e. 4e.plie.d .:tha.t he. had 4 e.vie.we.d Robe.4t'1.i Rule.1.i 06 04de.4 and
c o ul dn 't 6ind anywhe.ne. whe4 e. it 1.>a.id tha.t 1.iome.one. tha..t didn't a.b1.ita.in
64am the. vo ting co uldn 't .then a.et a.6 a. citizen a.nd .ope.ak., a.1.> long a.1.i
he. did n ' ,t, pa.4ti ci pa..:te. a.1.> a eomrnLt.1.>i o ne.4. He .6 .ta.ted that he. would like.
to have. a. 4uling on .that.
Linda. B4awn Bna.ytan 4eplied that thi.ti wa..o di1.ic.u1.>1.ie.d with the. City
Attanne.y, and he. .t>a.id .i..n a .6e.c.tian c.alle.d "Can6lic.t 06 Inte4e.tit"
;that th.i..1.i c.auld p4ohib.i..t h.i..m 6nam 1.ipe.a.king.
Comm. Pe.i..4c.e 4e.ite.4ate.d that .i..6 a. pe.41.ion wa.o the. a.4c.hite.c..t 604 a.
p4oje.c.t, a.1.i we.ll a.1.i be..i..ng on the. Planning Commi-01.i.i..on, than he. could
not 1.ipe.ak be.6a4e. the. bady,a.1.i an advocate., a 0 that p4oje.c.t even though
he. wa.1.>n'.:t 1.i.i..tting a.1.i a. c.omm.i..1.>1.iione.4.
Linda B4awn B4a.yton 4eplie.d in the. a.66.i..nma.tive..
Comm. Sheldon 4e.pl.i..e.d that he. a.g4e.e.1.i .i..n the. a.66i4ma.tive. He. 6ee.l1.> that
the. c.omm.i..1.>1.>.i..one.4, p4e.J.iuma.bly, would have. a. 4e.la.tion1.itip with the.
Planning Commi1.i1.i.i..on that a. la.yma.n would not have..
Comm. Ne.wton 1.ita.te.d that that .i..1.i a. 1.ia.c.4i 0.i..c.e. e.a.c.h o 0 the. c.ommi1.i1.iione.4.6
ma.ke.1.i whe.n he. o4 1.ihe. tak.e.1.i that po1.i.i..t.i..an.
M4. Ca.1.ita.ne.da. 1.ita.te.d that whate.ve.4 the. C.i..ty Atto4ne.y 1.ita.te.d .t>hould be.
put on pape.4 604 .the. 6utu4e..
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Comm. Pei4ce ag4eed in the a 00 i4mative. Thi-0 way -0omeone coming in a-0
a Planning Commi-0-0ione4 would be awa4e on that.
Comm. Pei4ce -0tated to continue the Public Hea4ing until Janua4y 15, 1985.
PUBLIC WORKSHOP -PCH/MULTI CORRIVOR COMMERCIAL BOUNVARIES
Stano 4epo4t -M4. Ca-0taneda
M4. Ca-0taneda -0tated that at the la-0t wo4k4hop on Novemben ZO one o 0
the conclu-0ion-0 that wa-0 4eached, in connection with thi-0 a4ea, wa-0
that PCH 4hould be exclu-0ively comme4eial. Exi-0ting 4e4idential land
u-0e-0 -0hould be con4ide4ed a-0 intenim. Two main 4ea4on4 wene
7 l What -0hould be the boundanie-0 o 0 the commencial connido4
along PCH (the depth)?
ZJ What ane 4ome alte4native way-0 o 0 implementing commencial
development along the highway (zone change-0, etc.)
Re-0ea4ch wa-0 done on the 0ollowing:
1 l Cha4acte4i-0tic-0 o 0 new comme4clal development that ha-0 been
4ecently completed in nelghbo4ing South Bay citie-0.
Z) Land anea and depth needed to encounage comme4cial development.
3) Owne44hip patte4n4 o4 numbe4 06 -0epanate lot-0 to be included
in the commencial co44ido4.
4) View-0 and opinion-0 06 pen4on4 involved in new commencial
development in the adjacent communitie-0.
5) Vevelopment -0tanda4d-0 and/on incentive-0 that othen citie-0 in
the South Bay may employ to att4act comme4cial development.
6) Phy-0ical 6acto44 -0uch a-0 topog4aphy.
In gene4al, the conclu-0lon -0eem-0 to be that a m~n~mum on a 100 &eet i-0
nece44a4y in te4m4 06 depth and pe4hap4 maximum o 0 300 &eet, depending
on the u-0e. It wa-0 the gene4al conclu-0ion that a 100 0 eet o 0 depth i-0
pnactical 0o4 -0ome comme4cial u-0e-0, but mo4e depth i-0 nece-0-0any to
captu4e the 0ull-commencial potential. The depth in neighbo4ing citie-0
i-0 not thi-0 deep, avenaging le-0-0 than ZOO 6eet. A numbe4 on new
development-0 4ange n4om 100 neet to 300 0 eet in depth.
Gene4al conclu-0ion-0 a4e it -0eem-0 a-0 in we -0hould t4y to e-0tabli-0h 4ome
c4lte4la 004 the depth. That lt -0eem-0 dionicult to ju-0t plot it on a map
and indicate the numbe4 o 0 the lot-0 ·that would be a 00 ected and the
4u44oundlng Land U-0e-0. It -0eem-0 an actual, phy-0ical oield t4ip, on -0ome
kind with the map-0 accompanying u-0, would 4eem to be wonkable.
A-0-0uming that comme4cial bounda4ie4 we4e e-0tabli-0hed, two genenal
di4ection-0 a4e -0ugge-0ted in te4m4 o 0 Land U-0e Element.
1 l Ve-0i9nate the anea-0 to be included within the commencial
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bounda.11.ie.-0 a.long PCH and de.4igna.te. the. a.66e.c.te.d p11.ope.11.tie.-0 a.4
11 Ge.ne.11.a.l Comme.11.c.ia.l," on. the. La.nd U-0 e. Ele.me.n.t ma.p a.lte.11.n.a.tive.
e.liminate.4 the. Multi-U4e. Co11.11.ido11. de.4ignation. Thi-0 would me.an. a
-0e.11.ie.-0 on zon.e. c.ha.n.ge.4 would OC.C.Ufl..
OR
2) Ve.4ign.a.te. on.ly the. C-3 a.11.e.a.-0 whic.h a.11.e. now in the. Multi -U-0e. Co11.11.ido11.
• a.4 11 G e.ne.11.a.l Comm e.11.c.ia.l. 11
PLUS
C11.e.ate. a ne.w La.nd U-0 e. Ele.me.nt c.a.te.g 011.y o 6 "Comme.11.c.ia.l-Pote.n.tia.l"
whic.h would be. e.-0ta.bli-0he.d 0011. pu11.po-0e.-0 on de.4ign.a.tin.g a.11.e.a-0 whe.11.e.
c.omme.11.c.ia.l de.ve.lopme.nt i4 dui11.e.d an.d whic.h pll.e.4 e.ntly ha.ve. u4 u
othe.11. than c.omme.11.c.ia.l. The. La.n.d U4e. Ele.me.nt c.a.te.9011.y would be.
imple.me.nte.d by C-Pote.ntia.l. Thi-0 alte.11.native. e.xte.n.d4 the. c.omme.11.c.ia.l
Land U-0e Ele.me.n.t bounda.11.ie.J, e.limina.te.J the. Multi-U-0e. Co11.11.ido11.,
and p11.ovid~-0 a. me.an-0 on maintaining c.on-0i-0te.n.c.y be.tween. the.
Gene.fl.al Plan. and Zon.ing without c.11.e.a.ting a n.e.e.d 0011. zone. c.ha.n.ge.J.
The. Jollowin.g th11.e.e. c.hoic.e.J a.11.e. 11.e.c.omme.nde.d:
1) Wofl.k. Se.Jhion
2 ) Vi-0c.u-0J a.ta C-Pote.n.tial Subc.ommitte. me.e.ting
3 ) Sta.66 to pll.e.pall.e. a pll.0911.e.J-0 ne.poll.t oOfl. pll.e.Je.nta.tion. to the. City
Coun.c.il.
Comm. Pe.i11.c.e. Jtate.d that he. 0e.e.lJ tha.t a.lte.11.n.ative. two i-0 the. de.Jinable.
thing to do. Comm. Pe.,i.11.c.e. e.xp11.e.J-0e.d hi-0 un.c.omoonta.ble.ne.-0J with the.
Multi-UJe. Co11.11.ido11. be.c.a.uJe. it iJ not pll.e.c.iJe.. He. 11.e.c.omme.nde.d that a
wo11.k.Jhop me.e.ting with the. City Counc.il on thiJ and a.l-00 the. La.n.d U-0e..
Comm. Newton. a.g11.e.e.d that a.lte.11.native. two i J the. pll.e.0e.na.ble. a.Ue.11.na.ti v e..
She. oe.e.lJ that a oie.ld Jtudy would be. v e.11.y he.lp6 u l in d e.te.Jr.min.in.g the.
boun.da11.y on that c.omme.11.c.ia.l c.011.11.idofl.. Comm . Ne wton. e.xp11.e.-0J e.d he n
c.on.c.e.11.n a.bout the. whole. c.onc.e.pt o 0 a pne.c.i -0e. plan. S he. e.xplain.e.d he.11.
unde.nJta.n.din.g on a p11.e.c.i-0e. plan. a-0 be ing an. a.i d to he.lp the. Pia.n.n.in.g
Commi-0Jion to de.te.11.mine. whe.the.11. Oil. no t the. p11.opo.tia.l wa.1.> Juit a.b le. oO/t th e.
loc.a.tion. She. would lik.e. to Je.e. -6ome. me.c.ha.ni -0 m 0011. hol ding th e. own.e.Jt
011. de.ve.l d pe.1t to that p11.opo-0a.l. Al-00 the.n the. ph.o pe.11.ty Jhould -0imply be.
zone.d c.omme.11.c.ia.l. Sta.ting that any -0ub 1.>e.que.nt puJr.c.ha1.>e.11. wo ul d the.1te.60Jr.e.
be. 4ubje.c.t to only tho4e. 11.e.JtJr.ic.tion-0 oh. lim i tation-0 tha~ a.pplfJ t o th a t
zo ni:n.g.
Comm. Pe.iJr.c.e. Jta.te.d that the.11.e. Jhould be. -0ome.thin.9 in the. zoning c.ode.
wh,i.c.h i-0n't the.Jr.e. now. Pfl.e.Juma.bly, the.11.e. -0hould n.e.ve.Jr. be. c.omme.Jz.c.ia.l
pll.ope.Jr.ty adjac.e.n.t to e.ithe.Jz. R-2 oil. R-1. It -0hould only be. adjac.e.n.t
to R-3 Some.thing -0hould be. in c.ode.J to pll.ovide.
Ja6e.guaJz.d-0 ooh. the. adjoining p11.ope.11.ty.
Comm. Newton que.4tion.e.d whe.the.11. the.11.e. i-0n't Jome. way to -0t11.e.a.cilln.e. that
pll.o c.e.dufl.e..
Comm. Pe.i11.c.e. Jta.te.d that that zon.in.g c.ode. did n.ot ma.k.e. it laJt time. a.11.ound.
Lin.da. BIZ.own. B11.a.yton -6tate.d that on.e. way might be. to have. an. ove.11.la.y Jtathe.Jz.
than. the. p11.e.c.iJe. plan. The. p1Z.e.c.i-0e. plan 11.e.ally pe.11.pe.tua.te.-0 the.
ambiguity. Ve.11.y ope.n. to in.te.11.p11.e.ta.tion..
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Comm. Ne.w:ton. -0:ta.:te.d :tha.:t -0he. 0e.e.l.6 :tha.:t home.one. hhould be. able. :to look
a.:t :the. zo Yi.in.g c.o de. a.n.d h e.e. how :the. pll..o p e.11.:ty i.6 za n.e.d.
Comm. She.ldo n. qu.e.htio n.e.d a.l:te.1tna.:tiv e. :two. Wo nde.11.,Ln.g whe.:the./t :tha.:t do eh
not pe.ll.pe.:tua.:te the. ,lnc.onhih.te.nc.y ,ln. :the. zoning ve.11.-0uh :the. Ge.n.e./tal Plan.
S:ta:ting the. Commi.6hion ih n.o:t ac.:tually 11.e.zaning bu:t c.1t.e.a:ting a n.e.w
Ge.ne.11.a.l Pla.n ca:te.goll..lJ :to -6 ,L.t :the. zoning, bu:t :the. zoning ili .6till -ln.-
c.a n.h i.6 .ten:t.
Mil.. Cah:ta.ne.da. :tha..t :the. zoning would be., 6011. e.xa.mple., R-3, C-Po:te.n:tia.l
a.nd :the. Land U-0e. Ele.me.n.t would be. c.omme.ll.c.ia.l po:te.n:tia.l which would be.
de.6ine.d hpe.c.ioic.a.lly :ta handle. :thohe. hi:tua.:tion.h.
Comm. Sheldon que.h:tion.e.d whe.:the.Jt. .thih ih p11.e.6e.11.a.ble. :to 11.e.zonin.9 6011.
wha.:t ll.e.a.h on..
Comm. Pe.111.ce. que.h:tion.e.d whe.:the.11. Comm. She.ldon. me.a.n:t 11.e.zon.ing 611.om
ll.e.hide.n..tia.l :to c.omme.ll.c.ia.l.
Comm. She.ldon ll..e.plie.d in. :the. a.66-i.11.ma..t,i.ve.. He. e.xp1te.h.6e.d tha.:t he. oee.£.1.)
.tha..t the.1te. ih a. ne.e.d .to unde.ll..6:ta.nd :the. 1tamioic.a.tio n.6 o 6 :the. c.omme.1tc.ia.l
a.1te.a..6 .tha.:t a.1te be.Ing .ta.lke.d a.bou.:t. And In -i..t' .6 1t.,lg h:t tha.:t :they be..
c.omme.1t.c.,La.l, maybe. a.;t diooe..1t.e.n:t de.p:th a.long :the. highway, e.:t c.e.:te.ll.a.,
but on.c.e. .that de.c-i..6ion -i..6 made. :the. p1tope.1t:ty ou.gh:t :to be. Jt.e.zone.d.
Camm. Pe.i/tc.e. 11.e.pl,le.d ,ln .the. n.e.ga.tive..
Public. he.a.11.,lng ope.ne.d.
Ed Loo-0e.ly, 3435 He.1tmoha Ave.nue., -0:ta:te.d tha.:t :the. C-Po:te.ntia.l ih .601t:t
o-6 a ne.bu.lou-0 zone. a.nd doe.-0 no:t do anybody mu.c.h good. He. 0e.e.l.6 -l:t
-0hould go block by bloc.k. Io 11.e.hide.n:tia.l, :then zone :them :tha.:t wa.y.
He. 0e.e.l.6 .tha:t :the.1te. -0hou.ld be. .6:ta.nda.ll.d.6 :that .6ome.body c.an look a.:t.
He. -0:ta.t.ed :tha.:t ;the. pll..ec.,ll.)e plan ha.h no:t done. we.ll In He.1tmo-0a. Be.a.ch.
Sam Pe1t./to:tti, 650 S,lx:th S:t1t.e.e.t, .6t.a.:te.d hI-0 pll.ope.11.;ty I.6 be.twe.e.n A1tdmo11.e.
a.nd PCH. He. expll.e..6.6e.d h,l-0 conce1t11 be.Ing :that the. c.omme.ll.c.ia.l zon.,lng w-i.ll
e. v e. n:tu. a.ll y c./t e. e. p down t. he. h,i.l l u ntLt Lt 1t e. a. c. h e.-0 A1.t dm o 1t e. . T ha.:t i:t will
go one. lo:t a..t a. :time. na.the.1t than c.omple.:te. ll..e.zoning oil. c.ha.nging :the.
Ge.ne.h..al Pian. He. 0e.e.l-0 :that i-6 th,lh we.1te. to ha.ppe.n :that t.he.1te. w,lll
be. U:ttle. ,lnce.ntive. ~olt :the Home.owne./t :to ma.i .. nt.a.In h,l-0 pltope.ll.ty :to the.
be.ht po-0-0ible. .6:ta.nda.1td.6 be.ca.uhe. 06 the oe.a.1t tha.:t ,l:t will be. 1te.zone.d
a.-0 c.omme.1tcia.l e.ve.ntu.a.lly. He. -0:ta.te.d :tha.t :the. people. on Sixth Stll..e.e.t
would l,lke. :to -0e.e. the. c.omme.Jtc.ial de.p:th 1te.ma.in the. wa.y -i.t i-0. Mil.. Pe.1t1tot:ti
qu.e.-0:t-i.one.d wha.:t the. a.ve.11.a.ge. depth ,l~ 0011. He.1tmoha. Be.a.c.h.
Comm. Pei1tc.e. 1te.pl,Le.d 100 6ee.t. to 250 6e.e.t. The. a.veil.age. be.,Lng 130 6e.e.t ;to
155 0ee.t.
Comm. Sheldon -0ta.t.e.d :that a.;t :the. la.ht me.e.:ting 06 :the. Planning Commi-0.6ion
l;t wah the c.on-0en-0uh &01t PCH :to be. c.omme.ll..c.ial. The. dihc.u.6.6ion :tonight
i.6 how :to a.c.c.ompli-0h :tha.:t a.n.d a.t wha.t depth.
M1t. Pe.1t1to:t:t,i. a.g1te.e.d :tha.:t the. be.-0:t u.6e. 06 PCH would be. c.omme.11.c.ia.l.
Comm. Sheldon -0:ta.te.d that :the.1te. will be. -0ome. pll.ope.1t:ty owne.11.-0 ;that will
be. a.66e.c.ted. How i-0 de.ba:ta.ble., but ;the. zone. on :the. pll.ope.11.ty, a.t :the.
minimum, w,Lll c.ha.nge..
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MIL. Pe.lLILo:t:ti que.-0:tion.e.d wha.:t :the. de.p:th i-0 on. Sixth S:t1Le.e.:t on. :the. we.6:t
-0..i.de..
Comm. Sheldon. Jr.e.plie.d :tha:t :the. e.xi-0:tin.9 eomme.Jr.eial zoning, on. F..i.6:th and
Six.th S:tne.e.:t-0, i-0 a.bout 200 0e.e.:t now.
Comm. Pe...i.nee. 6:ta:te.d :tha.:t a6 6a.Jz. a.6 e1Le.e.ping eomme.1Lcia.li-0m, :the. in:te.n.:tion
..i.6 :to 6e.:t a. line. a.6 6a.Jz. a.6 :the. Planning Commi-06..i.on 6e.e.l6 :tha.:t a plLoje.c:t
would ne.e.d :tha:t much 6pace. 01r.om .the. highway .and :the.n. ne.zon.e. i.t back :to
.that poin:t. The. a.l.te.1Lna.:tive. would be. :to le.ave. .tho-0e. a.6 po:te.n.tial.
Re.v e.1Le.nd Richa.Jz.d Pa.Jz.ke.Jz., 21 6:t S:t1te.e.:t and Boll.d en , e.xp.taine.d .tha:t he. wa.-0
ne.v e.ll. a.wa11.e. :th a:t :the. pnope.1t:ty imme.dia.:te.ly .,ln.oll.o n:t 06 him wa-0 a.ll
comme.Jz.c.,la.l . He. a66ume.d , av e.IL :the. ye.a.1t6 , :tha:t :the. ba c k e.n d 06 PCH ha l o
oo :tho-0e. .to:t-0 we.Jz.e. c omme.Jz.c.,l al a nd :then one a6:te.Jz. :the. o:the.1t -0ol d :the.l it
pll.ope.Jz.:ty . He. -0 :t a:te.d :that now he. i -0 oa.e e.d with :the. Hope. Cha.pe.l wanting
:to buy :the. 6oull. ll.e.ma.ining hou6e.6 on Boll.den. Av enue.. The.y ha v e. alll.e.a d y
ac qu iJz.e.d :two h ou-0 e.-0 . He. i-0 wonde.Jz.i n.g i n he. -0ho ul d hold out on :th at
pll.ope.ll.:t y , n ot -0 e.ll i t :to Ho pe. Ch a p e l . The. Ci:ty Coun ci l oil. :the. Planning
C omm ..i.-0 6 .lo n mig h:t de.cide. :to ll.e. zo n.e. .tho.,!) e. :th11.e. e. pall.e e..t f.i :that the.y would
aeq ui Jz.e., a nd h e. wou ld b e. .the.Jz.e. on. :the. e.n.d o 0 :the. pll.o p e.Jz..ty . He. 6:ta.te.d
.that Hope. Chapel wa n.t -0 to build a pall.king build i ng :t h e.Jz.e..
Comm. She.ldon que.-0:tione.d whe.:the.ll. :the. plLope./t.t..i.e.6 :that Re.ve.1te.nd Pa1tke.1t i-0
:talking a.bout i-0 on :the. e.a.6:t -0..i.de. oo Bo1tde.n. Comm. Sheldon -0:ta:te.d :tha:t
.that ..i.6 Jte.-0..i.de.n:tia.lly zone.d. I:t ..i.6 zoned R-1.
R e.v e.Jz.e.nd Pa.1!.k.e.11. q uu tio n.e.d whe.:th e.1r. Hope. C ha.pe.l will be. p e.1tmi.t:te.d to
build :the. pa.Jr.king -0:tll.uctu1te. :the.1r.e..
Comm. Sheldon 1r.e.plie.d :that the. Hope. Chapel would be. buying R-1 p1r.ope.1L:ty.
Re.ve.1r.e.n.d Pa1r.ke.1r. 6:ta..te.d :tha.:t :thi-0 ..i.6 hi-0 home. and all .tha:t he. could do
..i.6 pu:t up a. high oe.n.ce.. Thi-0 would dlminl-0h :the. p1r.ope.1t:ty.
Comm. Pe...i.1Lce. 6.ta.:te.d :tha.:t .the. Planning Comml-0-0..i.on. would like. :to :t1ty :to
a.chle.ve. a. 1r.e.a.6on.a.ble. de.p:th and :tha.:t l:t doe.6 n.o:t in:t1r.ude. on. :the. ne.ighbo1t-0.
He. -0:ta:te.d .that he. could no:t 6a.y what would happen lo Hope. Chape l woul d
come. in with a zone. change. Jr.e.que..6:t. I:t l-0 only a R-1, a.nd .l:t J.i e.e.tn-6 :to
hlm :that Hope. Cha.pe.l would have. a little. bl:t 06 a ha.Jr.d :ti me. put.ting
:toge.the.IL a ca6e.. Comm. Pe.lJr.ce. 6:ta:te.d :that :the. Pla nning Commi-0-0lon. ,i.l.) :t1r.y
ing :to 6 e.:t a. .6:tandalLd o 6 how 6a1t :the. comme.Jtcial d e.p:th -0houl d o c cull. al ong
:the. highway.
M1t-0. Pa1r.k.e.1L que.-0:tlone.d how de.e.p l:t l-0 61Lom PCH :to :the. we.-0t -0lde. whe.lLe.
:the bulldlng ha-0 be.e.n canJ:t4uc:te.d.
Comm. Pe..i.1r.ce ILe.plle.d ju-0:t a. ll:ttle. unde.1t ZOO 6e.e.:t .
Ed Loa6e.ly, 3435 He.4mo6a Avenue., 6.t1te.-0-0e.d :tha.:t he. 6e.e.l6 :the. Comm..i.-06.lon
Jhould no:t 6lu66 066 P1topo-0l:tion EE. I:t i-0 an a.dvi-001ty me.a.Jull.e..
P Ito p 0-0..i.:tlo n. EE -0 :ta.tu : "W he.lLe :the.1te ..i.J in.co n6 l-0 :t e.ncle.6 b e.twe.e.n .the.
Ge.n.e.Jr.a.l Plan and zon.ln.g, :the. one having :the. lowe.-0:t de.n6l:ty -0hall plLe.vall."
He oe.e.l-0 :that He.Jr.mo6a Be.a.ch will n.o:t go 004 a.n.y:thlng 6avo1Llng high
d e. n-0 l:t y .
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Comm. Pe.i1tc.e. .6:ta.:t.e.d :t.ha.:t. :the. p1tope.1t:t.y :that Re.ve.1te.nd Pa.1tk.e.1t i.6 1te.6e.1t1ting
:to, .6ou.:th oo 21.6:t S:t1r..e.e.:t, i.6 R-3. Sou.th oJ 18.:th S:t1te.e.:t :to 21.6:t S.:t.Jte.e.:t
i.6 R-3 a.Long PCH and R-1 in ba.c.k..
Comm. She.Ldon c.omme.nde.d Ra.Lph and e.ve.1tyone. on :the. .6.:ta66 1te.po1t:t. I.:t i.6
Jteple:te. with de.c.i.6-<.on oppoJt:tu.n.i:ty. I:t i.6 a de.c.i.6ion in de.p:th, u.6e., and
maybe. he.igh:t. The. one. de.c.i1.>ion :tha.:t wa.6 ma.de. i.6 :that PCH will be. a.Li
c.omme.1tc.ial. Comm. She.i.don 1.>u.gge.1.>:te.d :to .6:ta.66 :to ge.:t a. Mu.L:ti-U.6e.
Co.1t.1tido.1t map. He. a.l.60 1te.que..6:te.d :the. 6oLLowing in6oJtma:tion: p.ltoviding
:the. Planning Commi.6.6-i.on with .6:ta.tl o 1 .6 .6u.gge..6.te.d de.p.t.h.6 .tha..t. might va.ltl.J
a.Long :the highway :that wou.Ld in.:t.Jtude. a.c.Jto.6.6 Lot line.1.i but c.ome. only .t.o
a. Lot Une. To d1ta.w a ma.p :to 1.ihow wha:t p.1tope.1tt,i.e.1.> and zoning a.c.:tion..6
wou.Ld b.e. a.une.c.:te.d. How many and how -0e.1tiou..6? To di-0c.u..61.> u1.>age. :tha.:t might
dove.tail into u1.>age.1.> :tha.:t c.u.1t1te.ntly e.xi.6:t on :the. highway. The.1.>e. may be.
di66e..1te.n.:t. in :the. n.o.1t:th a..o :they a.1te. in the. 1.>ou.:th. The. depth de.c.L6ion
would, in pa.Jr..:t, be. ba..6ed on ;tho1.>e. u1.>age. de.c.i.6ion.6. In e.6 0.e.c..t, p1te..6e.n..t
.the. Planning Commi'->.6io n. with a. map o tl .:the.iJt be..6:t c.u.:t. a.:t ma.k.in.9 PCH
c.amme..1tc.ia.R. 60.1t He.1tmo.6a. Be.a.c.h. Su.b1.>eque.n:tly, :t.he. PLa.nnlng Commi.61.>ion
would :take. :that and ma..61.>a.ge. :that. Tha..:t e.ve.Jty:t.hing i.6 done. on a. ba..6i.6
06 .6pe.c.i6ic. 1te.a..6on.
Comm. Pe.iJtc.e. a.g.1te.e.d with Comm. Sheldon and 1.i:ta.:t.e.d .:that in a.ddi.:tion :the.
PR.ann.,ln.g CommL.6.6ian. would want ·.:to e..6:ta.bli.1.ih a. polic.y :to eliminate. all
c.omme.Jtc.ia.R. po.:te.n..:tia.l on .the. Jte..oide.n.tia.l p1tope..1t:t.y and :then. '1..e.zone. i.:t
.:ta a. R.Ln e .:tha.:t :the. P .f..a.n. ni n.g Ca mmi.6 .6 ion. d e.c.ide.1.i on. That .th e.1t e. i.1.i no
a.mbigu.i.ty on .thi.6 pie.c.e. 06 p1tope.1t.ty with a. c.i.1tc.Le. C.
Comm. Sc.hu.R.:te. qu.e..6.:tione.d Comm. Pe.i.1tc.e. :that .the. ambiguity .that Comm. Pe.i1tc.e.
me.n:tione.d iJ.i :the. 1.io6:tne.1.i.6 06 C-Po.te.n.tia.R. on R-3 a.1.i oppo1.>e.d :to making i.t
C.
Comm. Pe.i1tc.e. a.g1r..e.e.d in :the. a.J6i.1tma.:tive.. He. .6:ta..:te.d :that i6 :thi.6 i.1.i
:the. diJte.c..tion :the.. PLa.nn.ing Commi.6.6ion wouLd Lik.e. .to :take, he. wou.Ld lik.e.
:to have ;t,h).1.> a..6 .the. oina.L obje.c.:tlve.. That :the. de.p:th i.1.i a.dju.6.:te.d and,
within :tha.;t, de.p:th, e.ve.~y.thing within :tha.;t, zone. i.6 c.omme.Jtc.ia.L, and the
PLa.nning CommiJ.i.6ion c.ha.n.ge. :the. Ge.ne.JtaL PR.an ;t,o have. :tha.t be. Ge.ne.JtaL
Comme1tc.iaL and be.hind ;t,ha.t line. it w .. LLl be.come. Jte..6ide.n:tial. Thi.6 be.c.ome..6
wha:teve.4 de.n.1.ii:ty iJ.i be.hind .that Line..
Comm. Sc.huR..te. eommen.te.d on :the c.onc.e.Jtn a.bou.:t :the. p1tope.h:ty imme.dia.:te.Ly
be.hind :the. c.omme.1tc.ia.l c.01t1tido1t. Que.1.i:tione.d whe.:the.1t :the. people., behin~
that line., a1te. being a.6oe.c..te.d.
Comm. Pei.1tc.e. 1.i.ta.:te.d in .the. ao 6i.1tma;t,ive. and he.c.omme.nde.d :that at :the. Une.,
whe.1te. .:the. c.omme.1tc.ia.L line. goe.1.i 6hom c.omme..1tc.ia.L to ~e.1.>ide.n:tiaL, ~hat .tho.6e.
lo :t.6 ab u:t.tin.g .the. Jte..6ide.n.tia.L ha.v e. .6 om e. .6 p e.c.ial pita vi.1.iio n.6 pu.:t on .:th e.m
a.LR.owing a e.a..6ie.1t t.1ta.n1.ii.:tion :than ju.6t a ha.hd c.omme.Jr..c.ial :thhough
Jte..6ide.n.:tia.R. de.line.at.ion.
Comm. Sc.huL.te. que..6.:tione.d whethe.Jt :the.Jte. a.Jte. he..6.:t.Jtic.:tion.6 on .:the. c.omme.~c.ia.L
p1r..ope..1t.ty a.6 a he.1.>u.l.t 06 it a.butting R-7 p.!tope.hty.
Comm. Pe.i4c.e. Jte.plied .:tha.t .the.1te i.1.in'.t now, bu.:t i.:t i'-> c.onc.e.iva.ble. tha.:t in
an idea. 06 a :t.1ta.n.1.ii:tion .that :the. Planning Commi.61.iion might wan.:t :to put
.6 om e..thing in :the. c.o mm e.Jtc.ia.l zone. :that do e.J.i ha.v e. a :t.Jtan.6 itio n 6 o.lt it.
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Comm. Sheldon. a..6ke..d M1t. Ca-0.tan.e..da. .tha..t .the.. ln.001tma..tlon .that he. had
1te.que..6.te..d o& .6.ta.&& l.6 1te..a..6on.a.ble.. p1toce..du1te.. --.to have. e.xpe..Jt.t.6 come.. .to
.the. Pla.n.nlng Comml.6-0ion. with a. plan &01t comme..1tela.lizlng PCH.
M1t .. Ca.-0.ta.ne.da -0.ta.te..d .tha..t i.t i-0 able.. .to be. done..
Comm. Sheldon -0ta.te.d that when .thi.6 plan come...6 back .to .the.. Planning
Commi-0-0ion that .the. Planning Commi-0-0ion will .the.n. be. a.ble. .to ma.6.6age. it.
Comm. Sheldon -0.t1te..6-0e.d .tha..t he &e.e.l.6 an. expe.1t.t'.6 opinion. i-0 ne.e.de.d.
Comm. Pe.i1tee. .6ta..te.d .that he. would like. .to ha.ve. a. con-0e..n.6u-0 a..6 to what
goe..6 on a6.te..1t that. He. que.-0.tione..d whe..the.1t the.. potential de..-0i1te. 06 the..
Planning Comml-0-0ion i-0 ha.ltd zoning 1ta.the..1t than. -006.t zoning.
Comm. Schulte.. 1te..plie.d .that .that i-0 hi-0 de..-0i1te..
Comm. New.ton. 1teplie..d that .that i.6 he.It de.-0i1te. but -0ubje..c.t to wha.teve.Jt
.the. Planning Commi.6.6lon will ge..t back 61tom the .6.ta.&&-
Comm. Sheldon a.91te.e.d in. .the aoni1tma.tive..
Comm. Pe.i1tce.. que.-0tione..d whe...the..1t M!t. Ca-0.tane.da. ha.6 .the. Pla.n.n.ing Commi-0-0ion
di1te..e.tion.
M1t. Ca.-0.ta.ne.da. 1te..plie.d that .the.Ile. a1te. .thne.e. i.te.m.6
1) -0ugge..-0.te.d bounda.1ty map a.long PCH. Indiea..tln.g .the. ge.n.e..1ta.l
comme..1tcla.l boun.danie..6 which might va.1ty in. depth. Toge..the..Jt wl.th
da..ta indicating .the. eu1t1te.n.t u-0a.ge. and l.t-0 numbe.1te.d ehMa.c.te1ti-0.tlc-0
.. on .the. lot.6 and unit.6. Al-00 a map .tha.t one.. could .take. with the.m
to e..x.plo1te...
2) p!time. candidate. a.1te..a-0 601t zone. cha.n.ge.6.
3) c1tite.1tla to e.a-0e. .the. t1tan.-0ition n1tom 1te.-0ide..n..tial to comme.1tcia.l.
Comm. She.ldo n. .6 ugg e.-0te..d :to add .the. in-6 011.ma.tio n. o o what type.. o 6 eomme.1tcia.l
i.6 wa.n.:te..d, Oo oice.. building V.6. Jte..t.a.il, be.cau.6e the. depth!.> w-lU va.1ty on
t.ho.6e. u-0a.9e...6. He. .6.ta.te..d .that the.. 1te.al 1te.1.>ul.t oo .that ple..ee. 06 -0.ta.60 wonk
i.6 a doable. de.al. Comm. Sheldon. que.1.:ition.e.d Mn. Ca.1.:i.tan.e.da on. a time. pe.1tiod o 01t .th-l.6 wonk.
M1t. Ca.1.:i.ta.ne.da. 1te.p.tle.d .that he. will con.0e.1t wl.th .the. n.e.w Plan.n.ln.g Vl1te.c.to1t.
LANV USE VESIGNATION IN THE SOUTHEAST PART OF THE CITY
(e..a..6.t 06 A1tdmo1te .6ou.th 06 .the. Pie.It .to the. Cl.ty llml.t.6, both e.a..6.t a.n.d .6ou.th)
Comm. Pe.l1tee. 1.:i.ta..te..d .tha..t .the.Ile. l.6 a lo.t 06 in.con.1.:>i-0.te.n.cie...6 be.tween the.
zon.ln.g.
Sta66 Re.pant -M1t. Ca.6.ta.neda.
M1t. Ca.-0.ta.n.e.da. .6.ta..te.d .that the. p1tob.te.m 06 ln.con.-0.,w.te.n.eie.-0 i.6 n.o.t llmi.te.d
.to a1te.a..6 which have. R-2 zoning and low de.n.1.:iliy cla.1.>-0l6ica..tlon., but thi-0
ln.clude..6 a numbe.1t 06 othe.1t a.1tea..6 a..6 well. Some. oo them would be. 1te.-0olve.d
a..6 the. 1te..6ul.t 06 .the. wonk 06 the. comme.1tcia.l bounda.n~. He. -0.ta.te.d that pa.lt.t
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, VECEMBER 18, 1984 Pa.g e. 9
o-6 .t he. :ta.-0k. w..i..ll be. .to J.i ·e..t.tle. on. :the La.n d U1.ie. c.a.te.go1ty a.n.d 11..e.1.i..i..de.n..t..i..a.l
ne.igh bo1tho od1., a nd to 1.i e..t.tle. on .t h e. d e.n.-0 ..i...ty 1ta.n9e. a-0 we.ll a.J.i a.ny po:te.n.t..i..al
1t a.n.ge.-0 ~o zoning . The. c.on.J.:.e.n.1.iu -0 we...i..gh -0 .to 11..e.a.lly a.v oi d ma.king zone.
c.ha.n ge.-0 a.nd .to ha v e a La nd U-0e. Ele.me.n..t ma.p .tha.:t 1te.6le.c.t-0 R-3 a.-0 "high
de.n -0 i.ty , 11 R-2 zoning a.1.i "me.d..i..u..m de.n -0 ..i..;ty , 11 a.n.d R-1 zon...i..ng a.1.i "low de.n1.i i ;ty . 11
Howe.v e lt, .the. de.ve lopmen.t J.i.t a n da 1td-0 601t ;the R-2 a.nd R-3 would be. c.ha.ng e.d
&ome.wha..t. S ;t a 66 l 1.i 1te.c.omme.nd..i..ng .to -0:t a.11..;t ;the. p1toc.e.1.i1.i in p11..e.pa.1ting a.
map whic.h would be. ba.J.ie.d on one. o 0 ;the. a.l.te.1tn.a..tive.1.i 011.. a. c.ombina.;tion
a.nd .to bltlng :tha..t ba.c.k to ;the. Pl a nning Commi1.i-0ion.. The. ;th1te.e. a.lte.1tn.a..tive.J.i
c. o n1.i id e.1t e.d a.1te.:
1) a.c.hi e.v e. c.o n.J.i ..i..1.i.te.nc.y b y c.h a.ng ..i..ng .the. Land UJ.i e Ele.me.n;t ma.p a.n.d
de.n J.il .tie.1.i .to 11..e.0le.c..t .the. ho u-0 ..i..ng u n...i..:tJ.i allowed pelt .the. zoning map
an d d e.v e.lo pme.n.t -0.ta.n d a.1t dJ.i . Fo ll.. ex.ample., ;thi.6 al;te1tn.a.t.l v e. would
me.an. .th a.t all R-3 z o n e d a..n.e.a.J.:, wh..i..c.h now ha v e a. "me.d.lum de.n.1.ii:t!:I "
c.a..t e.9 01t tJ would be. .n.e. de.J.i ..i..g n.a..t e.d .to "h.lg h d e.nJ.i Lt y. "
21 Ac.h.le.ve. c.on.J.i.lJ.i:te.nc.y by 1te.zon..i..ng a.1te.a.1.i .to ma.tc.h .the. La.nd UJ.ie. Ele.me.n:t
ma.p. Folt .ln.J.i-ta.nc.e., the. R-3 zoned a.1te.a.1.i wh.lc.h now ha.ve. a. "me.d.lum
de.nJ.ii;ty" c.a.;te.901ty would be. 1te.c.la.J.i-0i6.le.d to R-2.
31 A1te.a.1.i zoned a.J.i R-2 would be. d e.1.i .lgnate.d a.J.i "me di um de.n.6ity " and
a.1te.a.-0 zoned a.J.i R-3 would be. d u l gna t e.d a.1.i "hi g h de.n -0 ..i..:ty ."
Howe.ve.1t, the. de.ve.lopme.n.t 1.ita.n d a.1t dJ.i o 0 ea.c h zone. woul d be. c.ha.nge.d .
The. "medium de.n-0.l.ty" La.nd U-0 e. Ele.me.n.t c.a.te.9 01ty wo ul d b e. d e.6 .l ne.d
a.J.i 1ta.ngin9 6.n.om 11 ;to 28 dwe.ll..i..ng uni.t-0/a.c.1te..
Comm. Sc.h~l.te. a.1.ik.e.d M.n.. Ca.1.i;ta.ne.da. tha..t .l6 ;the. Pla.nn.lng Commi1.i1.iion we.1te.
.to a.c.c.e.p;t Al.te.1tna.t..i..ve. No. 1, 1toughly 172 un..i..:tJ.i would be. a.dde.d.
M.n.. Ca.J.i;ta.ne.da lte.pl..i..e.d ~n .the. a.66.l1tma;t..i..ve..
Comm. Sheldon 1te...i...te.1ta..te.d .tha..t .lo .the. Planning CommiJ.iJ.iion would ma.k.e. .l.t
"me.dium de.nJ.iity" in. a. R-2 zone. .tha..t now haJ.i "low de.nJ.iity" w-i.th juJ.it that
c.laJ.iJ.i.l6ic.a..t..i..on the. Planning Commi.6J.i..i..on would add 172 unitJ.i.
M1t. Ca.J.i.ta.ne.da. 1te.plie.d in the. a.66..i..1tma.tive..
Comm. Sheldon a.J.ik.e.d wha..t a. bu..i..lde.1t c.ould now build ~n a. "low de.nJ.ii.ty"
R-2 zone..
Comm. Pe.l1tce 11.e.pl..i..e.d a J.iingle.-0amily .n.e.1.iide.nc.e. or a. duplex. He. c.ould not
build .two c.on.dominiumJ.
Comm. Sheldon qu..e.J.i.tione.d whe..the.1t a. duple.x could be. build ..i..n. a. "low
de.nJ.ii.ty" zone..
Comm. Pe...i..1tc.e. 1te.plie.d .that .the. builde.1t c.ould build a.J.i ma.n.y un.i.t-0 on .the.
lot a.J .the. lo.t could J.ita.n.d; aJ.i long aJ, he. iJ.i not viola.ting .the.
ge.ne.1ta.l plan 06 de.nJ.ii.ty.
Comm. Sheldon a-8.k.e.d whe.the.1t "low de.nJ.ii;ty" iJ.i 11 un...i...t1.i pe..n. ac..n.e..
Comm. Pe..i..1tc.e 1te.pl..i..e.d that i.t .lJ.i 73.9 pe.lt ac.1te..
M1t. CaJ.i.tane.da J.i.ta.te.d .tha..t l6 .the. c.la.1.i-0i6ic.a.tion i1.i R-3 zoning with
"medium de.nJ.iLty" we.11.e. c.han.ge.d .to . "high de.n.J.ii.ty," i.t would add an
a.ddi.t.lona.l 160 un..i...tJ.i.
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Comm. Sheldon. -0ta.te.d tha.t "low de.n.-0,i.,ty" R-2 zon.e. ,i.,J., e..6.6e.n.tua.lly ,ln. the.
.6 o uthe.a..6 t.
Mil.. Ca..6ta.n.e.da. -0tJz.·e.-0.6 e.d tha.t the.Jz.e. -l-0 a.n.othe.Jz. -lmpoll.ta.n.t a.Jz.e.a. o 6 ,ln.-
c.on..6-l.6te.n.c.y a.long All.dmoll.e. Ave.n.ue.. Mu.c.h o 6 the. a.Jz.e.a. -l'.6 zon.e.d "M"
but ha..6 a. me.d-lum de.n.-0-lty La.n.d U.6e. Ele.me.n.t c.la.-0-0,i.,6-lc.a.t,i.,on.. Mone.ove.Jz.,
the. a.djac.e.n.t Jz.e.-0,i.,de.n.t-lal pll.ope.Jz.ty ,i.,J., zon.e.d R-3. The.Jz.e. ,i.,J., on.e. pall.c.e.l w-lth
"M" zon.,lng an.d R-3 pote.nt,i.,a..l.
Comm. Pe.,i.,nc.e. que.-0t,lone.d the. 172 un-lt.6 oil.om "low de.n-0,i.,ty" to "me.d-lum
de.n.-0-lty."
Mil.. Ca.6tane.da. Jz.e.pl,i.,e.d that that n.umbe.Jz. -l.6 the. d,i.,66e.Jz.e.nc.e. 06 what i.6 on.
the. gll.ound to the. potential.
Comm. Pe.iJz.c.e. .6tate.d that zon.,i.,n.g 6Jz.om "low de.n.6ity" R-2 to "low de.n.6,i.,ty"
R-1 would c.Jz.e.ate. 76 6e.we.Jz. unit.6. That i.6 a.c.tual to potential.
Mil.. Ca.6tan.e.da. Jz.e.c.omme.n.de.d that one. way to handle. th-l.6 would be. on. a moll.e.
de.ta-lle.d, -0ma.lle.Jz. Qe.ogll.aph,i.,c. aJz.e.a.
Comm. Pe.iJz.c.e. -0ta.te.d that the.Jz.e. -l.6 a.. -0tate. ma.nda.te.d law that -0ta.te.-0:
"a..n.y inc.on..6,i.,.6te.nc.,i.,e..6 be.tween the. zon.-ln.g and .the. ge.n.e.Jtal plan ha.ve. to
be. Jz. e..6 o l v e. d. " The. City o -6 L o.6 An.g e.l e.6 ha.6 now ap pll.o a c.h e..d th-l.6 .
Mil.. Ca..6tan.e.da .6tate.d -tha..t the. Commi.6.6,i.,on.' .6 ac..t,i.,on. wa..6 a..c.c.ompli.6 he.d ,i.,n.
1970; an.d .the. c.on..6-l.6.te.nc.y la.w wa.6 pa..6.6e.d in. 7972.
Publ,lc. He.aJz.-ln.g Ope.n.e.d
Sha.wn. GuthJz.e.y, 555 Pie.It Ave.n.ue., .6.tate.d that a.6 he. un.de.Jz.-0tand-0 i.t, 16
he. we.Jz.e. to own. 1.>ome. R-3 "medium de.n..6-l.ty" La.n.d U.6 e. aJz.e.a., he. c.ould c.ome.
in.to the. bu,i.,ldin.g de.pall..tme.n.t, get a 0oull.-un,i.,t a.pall..tme.n.t hou.6e. appll.ove.d
ove.Jz. the. c.oun.te.Jz.,an.d bu-lld -lt without eve.Jz. hav-ln.g .to c.ome. be.6oJz.e. the.
Plan.n,ln.g Commi-0-0,lon. oil. the. C-lty Coun.c.,i.,l. He. 1.>ta.te.d tha..t a. 0e.w n.e.w
a..pall.tme.n.t c.omple.-x.e..6, bu-lld ,i.,n. the. la..6t te.n. ye.a..Jz.J.:,, tho.6 e. un.de.Jz. .:the. "medium
de.n..6ity" La..n.d U.6e. Ele.me.nt iJz.e. not le.gal n.on.c.on.0onmin.g.
Comm. Pe.,i.,Jz.c.e. .6.ta..te.d that -l6 .:the.y a.Jz.e. a.pa.Jz.tme.n..t hou1.>e.1.> bu-lld on. R-3 zone.;
then the.y aJz.e. c.on6oJz.min.g.
Comm. Pe.,i.,Jz.c.e. ll.e.plie.d that de.n1.:,-lty le.ve.l only gove.Jz.n.-6 1.>ubd-lvi-0-lon map a.c.t
wh-lc.h i.6 c.ondomin.-lum.6. I6 the.y we.Jz.e. built a..6 a.pa.Jz.tme.n.t1.>, the.n they aJz.e.
c.o n6 oJz.m,i.,n.g.
Mil.. GuthJz.e.y -0ta.te.d the.n. that the. Ge.n.e.Jz.a.l Pla.n. de.n.1.:,,i.,.:tie.-0 a.Jz.e. only in.
Jz.e.ga.Jz.d.6 .to c.on.dom-ln.-lum.6 and -0ubd,lv,i.,-0ion1.:,. So the. de.n..6-lty 06 .the.
Ge.n.e.Jz.al Plan., 6oJz. tha.t a.Jz.e.a., doe..6 not have. anything .to do w-l.:th the.
a.pa.Jz.tme.n.t.6. He. e.-x.pll.e.-0-0e.d that he. 6e.e.l.6 that tha..t a.ga.,i.,n. i-0 a.n. a.dde.d
,ln.c.on..6,l.6te.n.c.y .6ta.t,i.,n.g tha.t .the. Pla..n.n.-lng Comm-l-01.:,-lon. wa.n..:t.1.:, thi1.> .to be.
"medium de.n.J.,,i.,;t.y, " bu.:t "hig h de.n..6,i.,ty" a.pa.Jz...tme.n.:t.6 all.e. a.l.R.owe.d.
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Comm. Pe.i4ee. -0ta.te.d that i-0 e.x.a.etly what the. Planning Commi-0-0ion
i-0 t4ying to de.al with 4ight now.
M4. Guth4e.y -0tate.d that hi-0 phope.hty i-0 n.e.ah -0outh 06 Thihd Sthe.e.t,
be.tween. Ahdmohe. and PCH,an.d that the.he. i-0 apphox.ima.te.ly 52 de.ve.lope.d
lot-0 that a.he. zon.e.d R-3. Fohty o-6 tho-0e. lot-0 a.he. 40 X 115. Out 06 tho-0e.
lot-0 the.he. a.4e. a.bout 15 that have. th4e.e. oh mohe. unit-0 on them euhhe.n.tly
whieh would me.an that about 25% o-6 tho-0e. lot-0 a.he. beyond the. -0ugge.-0te.d
de.n.-0ity level-0 06 the. Ge.n.e.ha.l Plan. The. a.he.a ha.-0 be.en moving towahd
highe.h de.n-0ity than. -0ugge.1.ite.d. He. ·-0tate.d that i6 the. PLa.n.n.ing Commi-0-0ion.
thie.-0 to b4in.g the. zo n.in.g in.to eo n.6 ohman.ee. with the. Land U-0 e., the.
Planning Commi1.i-0ion.,in e.66e.et,would be. down. ~on.ing the. value.J.i 06 1.iome.
06 the. phope.ntie.1.i in that a1te.a. be.eau1.ie. then. the.ne. would be. a.etua.l
le.gal n.on.eon.6onmin.g 6oun-un.it apantme.n.t buildin.g.6.
Comm. Sheldon. a.gne.e.d in. the. a66ihmative.. Comm. Sheldon. a-0ke.d Mn. Guthhe.y
what he. would do on. thi-0 i-0-0ue.. Bhin.g the. zon.in.g in.to eon.6ohmanee. with
the. Ge.n.e.ha.l Plan. Oh the. Ge.n.e.hal Plan in.to eon.6ohman.ee. with zoning in. hi1.i
a.he:a.
Mh. Guthhe.y J.ita.te.d that he. would phe.6e.n going nhom "medium de.n.J.iity"
to "high de.n1.iity." He. e.x.pne.1.i1.ie.d that he. i-0 looking a.tit 6hom the.
-0ta.ndpoin.t 06 making that pa.ht 06 the. City a.-0 n.iee. a.1.i the. he.I.it; al1.io
build in.ee.ntive.1.i noh the. people..
Comm. Pe.inee. que.1.itione.d Mh. Guthhe.y why the. pote.n.tial iJ.i not the.ne. now.
Mh. Guthne.y 1.itate.d that one. he.al.ion. eould be. be.eau1.ie. on the. man.a&aetuhing
pnope.htie.1.i in. that a.he.a., and it iJ.i -0ueh a tight little. a.he.a be.twe.e.n.
what u1.ie.d to be. the. boat yand 1.iite. whieh pnoba.bly wa.1.i the. bigge.1.it 6aetoh.
He. 6e.e.l1.i a. 1.itnon.g -0tan.ee. n.e.e.d-0 to be. ta.ke.n. on the. manu-6a.etuhe. zone.
that to 4e.-0ide.n.tial and then po1.i1.iibly nai1.iin.g the. La.n.d U-0e Ele.me.n.t to
build mo4e eon.domin.iumJ.i on. a lot then. that pne.J.ie.n.tly e.x.i1.it1.i. He. 1.itate.d
that when. he. initially puheha.1.ie.d thi1.i p4ope.hty, 1.iouth o-6 the. p4ope.4ty
wa-0 zoned "M" zon.e.d with R-3 pote.n.tial. That R-3 would be. de.1.iine.d by the.
Planning Commi-01.iion. and that it would be. n.o pnoble.m to build 6ouh
a.pa4tme.n.t un.it1.i on. it. But a.6te.h getting 1.itahte.d, it wa.1.i di1.ieove.ne.d that
the. R-3 zone. eha.n.ge. eould not be. a.eeompli1.ihe.d be.eau-0e. it would eon.0ohm
to the. Land U1.ie.. It eould only be. zon.e.d R-2. Con.1.ie.que.n.tly, he. could
only build two unit-0, po1.i1.iibly th4e.e. apa.4tme.n.tJ.i. Thi1.i doe.1.i not wohk out
e.eon.omirially. He may have. to 4e.de.ve.lop it aJ.i manu 0a.etuhin.g.
Sa.n.dha. EJ.iJ.ie.x., 1051 Eighth Sthe.e.t, nohth 1.iide. on the. J.ithe.e.t iJ.i zoned
R-1. The. othe.h 1.iide. o-6 the. 1.ithe.e.t i-0 zoned R-2.
Comm. Pe.ihee. que.1.ition.e.d whe.the.4 iJ.i it "low de.n.1.iity in a R-2 zone..
San.dha. E1.i1.ie.x. e.x.p4e.1.i1.ie.d that hen eonee.hn. i-0 i-6 ,it he.ma.in. "highe.h de.n.1.iity,"
la.hge.h building.6 would be. build a.eho-01.i the. 1.itne.e.t.
Comm. Sehulte. -0ta.te.d that the.he. wa.-0 no eon-0e.n.1.iu1.i o 0 the. Planning
Commi1.i1.iion. to aeee.pt the. alte.4native. he.4e. that would add the. 172 un.it1.i.
Comm. Sheldon. 1.itate.d that all the. p4ope.4ty to the. 1.iouth o-6 Sa.n.dna. E1.i1.ie.x.'1.i
p4ope.4ty iJ.i in the. 1.iame. po1.iition. He.h phope.hty and a.ii the. phope.nty to
the. n.ohth in. that all iJ.i zon.e.d R-1 "low de.n.1.iity,11 an.d all phope.hty to
the. .6 out h iJ.i z o n. e. d R -2 "low de. n.J.i Lt y . "
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Sa.nd4a. E-0-0e.x qu.e.-0.tione.d in he.4 p4ope.4.ty we.4e .to be ne.zoned, will -0he
b e. no .ti 6 i e. d .
Comm. Sheldon ne.plie.d in .the a.66inma..tive.
Ed Loo-0e.ly, 3435 He.nmo-0a. Ave.nu.e., -0.ta..te.d .tha..t he. ne.el-0 .the. whole. pnoblem
i-0 .that He.nmo-0a. Be.a.ch i-0 bu.il.t le.-0-0 den.-0e. .tha.n. mo-0.t 06 .the. zonin.9-0
ca.ll non. And i.t i-0 incne.a.-0ing in. den-0i.ty. He -0.ta..te.d .tha..t .the. only
.thing holding ba.ck .thi-0 pll.oble.m i-0 .tha..t mo-0.t on .the. a.ne.a.-0 a.ne. Ge.n.e.na.l
Plan which ca.ll-0 6on "lo w den-0i.ty." The.ne a.ne R-1 a.nea.-0 "me.diu.m de.n-0i.ty"
.tha..t a.ne. mo-0.tly -0.till -0in.gle.-oa.mily home.-0, a.n.d i.t i-0 j u-0.t a mat.ten oo
.time. u.n..til .the. duple.xe.-0 go in. He. ne.e.l-0 .t he. Pla.nning Commi-0 -0 ion ne.e.d-0
.to go in.to .the.-0e. a.ne.a.-0 a.nd decide whe.ne. a change. -0houid occun . Th e.
neighbonhood people. do not want .the. ne.ighbonhood .to change..
Comm. Sheldon. -0.ta.ted .tha..t .the. -0.ta.60 i-0 u.-0e.d .to give. .the. Pla.nning
Co mmi-0-0 ion. din e.c.tio n b a.-0 e.d on. .the.in e.xp e.nie.n.c e.. Bu..t .the. pno p e.n.ty
owne.h-0 would be. he.a.vily involved a..t .the. Planning Commi-0-0ion le.ve.l.
Comm. Pe.Ince. .told Mn. Ca-0.t a.n.e.da. .that without the. -0.ta.oo'-0 con.cne.te.
in.6onma.tion, .tha..t wa.-0 ne.qu.e.-0.te.d by Comm. Sheldon, .the. Pla.nning
Commi-0-0ion could not continue. a.nymone. on .thi-0 i-0-0u.e..
Comm. Sheldon -0.ta..te.d .that it i-0 .time. -0ome..thing ge..t-0 done. a.bout thi-0
i-0-0u.e.. He. 6e.e.l-0 .that .the.Jt.e. a.Jt.e. Jt.igh.t pla.ce.-0 ooJt "high de.n.-0i.ty" zoning
and night pla.ce.-0 604 R-1 zoning.
Comm. Pe.ince. -0.ta..te.d .tha..t he. 0 e.e.l-0 i.t -0hou.ld be. .ta.ken one. a.ne.a. a..t a time..
Tha..t the. cha.na.cte.n 06 .the. City cha.n.ge.-0 when you go we.-0.t o& PCH a.-0 e.a.-0.t
oo PCH. He. ne.e.l-0 R-3 a.ne.a. i-0 a. di66e.ne.n.t pnoble.m.
Comm. Sheldon. 0e.e.l-0 .the. u.ltima.te. job 06 .the. Pla.n.nin.g Commi-0-0ion. would
be a. Ven-0i.ty Ne.u:tna.l Plan.. Whe.ne. ul.tima..te.ly .thvte. would be. no
in.cne.a.-0e. in. de.n.-0i.ty a.tall. Thi-0 would be. a.ccompli-0he.d by iowe.ning
de.n4i.ty in -0ome. a.Jt.e.a.-0 a.n.d na.i-0ing de.n-0i.ty in. o:the.n-0.
Comm. Pe.Ince. a.gne.e.-0, but he. 0e.e.l-0 the. pnoble.m in. He.nmo-0a. Be.a.ch i-0
Lo you. wa.n.t .to ke.e.p .the. de.n.-0i.ty .the. -0a.me. in .the. City, in ge.ne.na.l,
you. will have. .to e.ve.n..tua.lly down. zone. la.nge. n.u.mbe.Jt. on pnope.n.tie.-0
be.cau-0e. .the. City i-0 un.de.nbu.il.t and ove.nzone.d.
Comm. Pe.Ince. -0ta..te.d .tha..t thi-0 da..ta. i-0 n.e.e.de.d non .the. whole. -0ou.the.a.-0.t,
e.a.-0.t oo PCH. Tha..t i-0 a.ll "law de.n.-0i.ty" R-2.
Mn. Ca.-0.tan.de.a. ne.plie.d .that :the. 6igune. o 0 172 un.i.t-0 i-0 not in.6onma.tion.
done. on a block-by-block ba.-0i-0.
Comm. Pe.Ince -0:ta..te.d that .thi-0 inoonma.lion i-0 n.e.e.de.d block by block.
I.t -0hou.ld be. -0.ta.n.te.d with .the. -0ou.the.a.-0.t a.ne.a.
Mn. Ca.-0.ta.ne.da. -0.ta..te.d .tha..t .the. ne.w Vine.c.ton will be. on Boa.nd ]a.nu.any 2, 1985 .
Comm. Schulte. complime.n..te.d Mn. Ca.-0.ta.ne.da. a.nd -0.ta.66 on .the.in wonk.
Mn. Ca.-0:ta.ne.da. -0.ta..te.d .tha.:t City Council ne.que.-0.te.d .tha..t .the. Planning
Commi -0 -0ion. ini.tia..te. a .two--0.ta.ge. pnagna.m on. de.ve.lopme.n.t -0ta.n.da.nd-0
non child ca.ne. oa.cili.tie.-0.
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Comm. Sheldon exp4e-0~ed hi~ eoneeAn on the -0elling 06 mineAal Aight-0.
He neel-0 it i-0 not in the be-0t inte4e-0t 06 the City and 6ind-0 thi-0
4elling 06 mineAal Aight-0 objeetiona.ble.
Comm. PeiAee -0ta.ted that a-0 he unde4-0ta.nd-0 it that mo-0t o 0 the dwelling
w.lll be done u.nde4 the o eea.n, and the City own-6 tho-0 e Aig ht-0.
Mot.lon by Comm. Sheldon, -0 e.eo nded by Comm. PeiAee, to adj au.An the
meeting.
Me.et.lng wa.-0 a.djouAned at 10:15 P.M.
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PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, VECEMBER 18, 1984 Pa.g e. 14
CERTIFICATION
I he.4e.by ee.4ti6Y that the. 6o4e.going minute.-0 a.4e. a. t4ue. a.nd eomple.te.
4e.eo4d 06 the. a.etion ta.ke.n by the. Planning Commi-0-0ion 06 He.4moJa. Be.a.eh
at the.i4 4e.gula4 -0ehe.dule.d me.e.ting 06 Ve.ee.mbe.4 18, 1984.
Steve.n Tza.nt, Chai4ma.n
Vate.