HomeMy WebLinkAboutPC Minutes 10.09.84MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF HERMOSA BEACH HELD ON
OCTOBER 9, 1984, IN THE CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 7:30 P.M.
Me eting c.alle.d to oll..de~ by Comm . Pe.i~c.e at 7 :35 F.M.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT :
ABSENT:
Comm-0. Sheldon, Compton, Shapill..o, Pe.inc.e., Newton, and
Sc.hul.te
Chm n . I z ant
ALSO PRESENT: Kim Reall..don-Cnite.-0, William Gnov e., and Ralph Ca6tan e.da,Jll...
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Motion by Comm. She.ldon, -0e.c.onde.d by Comm. Compton, to appnove. the.
mi__nutu 06 the. Plannln.g Commil-0lon me.e.tin.g o 0 Se.p.te.mbe.n 4, 1984.
Comm .Pe.inc.e. que.-0tione.d .the. ne.a-0on why .the. minu.te.-0 ane. moll..e. than
two we.e.k-0 be.hind.
Comm. Pe.lnc.e. que.-0.tlone.d whe.the.n it would be. po-0-0lble. .to g et .the.
minute.6 in -0oone.n.
APPROVAL OF RESOLUTIONS
Motion by Comm. Sheldon, 6e.c.onde.d by Comm . New.ton, to appnove.
Re.lolution P.C. 84-25.
AYES:
f-.lOES:
ABS ENT:
ABSTAIN:
Comm-0. Sheldon, New.ton, Shapino, Sc.hul:t.e., and Pe.i~c.e..
None..
Chmn. Izant.
Comm. Compton.
Motion by Comm. Compton, le.c.onde.d by Comm. Shapino, to appnove.
Re.-0olu.tion P.C. 84-26.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAIN:
Comm-0. Sheldon, New.ton, Shapino, Sc.hul.te, Pe.inc.e., and Comp zo n.
None..
Chmn. Iza.n.t
None..
SIVE YARD SETBACKS
M6. Re.all..don-Cnlte.-0 gave. the. -0.ta66 n e.poll...t . She. lndl c.a.te.d that Lhl-0
wa-0 oll..lginate.d a.t the. City Couc.ll l e.v et , and that the. City Counc.il
adopted a Re.-0olution 06 Intention diAe.c.tlng the Planning Comml66lon
.to Ae.-0e.anc.h thl6 poll..tion 06 the. zo ning ao d e. whl c.h pe.n:t.aln-0 to 6 ide ua~d
6e.tbac.k6 6oll.. R-1 and R-2 de.ve.lopme.nt -0 a n d to ~on~i d e.ll.. 6tttlng a
maximum ~e.qulAe.d 6lde.yall..d -0e.tbac.k. The. z oning c.ode. doe.6 6pe.c.i6y
that R-3 de.ve.lopme.n:t.-0 -0hall have. a -0ide.yall..d -0e.tbac.k equal .to 10 pe.ll..c.e.n~
06 the. lo:t. width, wLth a minimum o 0 :t.hll..e.e. (3) 6e.e..t. The.y a.l.oo -0.tate.d
·.that .the. width 06 .the. -0ide.yall..d ~e..tbac.k6 need no:t. exceed 6ive. (5) 6e.e.t.
Howe.veil.., the. zoning c.ode. doe.-0 not pll..ov~de. .the. 6ame. maximum 6oll..
R-1 and R-2 de.ve.lopme.nt-0. The. City Council 6ugge.6.te.d .that .the. 6 a me.
6.ta.ndall..d, whic.h i-0 6ive. (5) 6e.e.:t.,be. 6e.t a-0 a maximum Ae.quill..e.d
6e..tbac.k by the. City 6oll.. ll..e.-0ide.n.ti~l de.ve.lopme.nt-0. Thi-0 would not
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, OCTOBER 9, 1984 Page. 2
SIVEYARV SETBACK (c.ont.)
p·,'l.e.c.lude. a. de.ve.lope.lt 611..om ,i.,mple.me.nting a wide.It -6 e.tbac.k.. It wou.ld
J u..6-t eHa.ble. them :to have. a £it:tle. molte. 6le..x.J...b.J...Llty in the. duig n
06 :the...J...11.. p1to je.c..:t.6; 60 that, they wou.ld not have. to pltovide. 10 pe.1tc.e.nt
06 the lot width, ,i.6 in 0ac.t, the width 06 the. lot wa.6 e.xt1te.me.
01t the. lot had an u.nu.6u.al c.on6igu.1ta:tion. Sta.66 i-6 1tec.omme.nd.J...ng that
Se.c.tion-6 401, 501, and 551 06 the. zon.J...ng c.ode be. amended and -6:ta.ting
that the. 6ide.ya1td would no:t n.e.e.d to exceed 0.J...ve. ( 5) 6e.e.t in wid .th .
Sta.66 .i..,-6 1te.c.omme.nd,i.,n.g to 1teview the. P1te.Umina.1ty Env.i_1ton.111e.nta.l
Impac.t6 Sta.te.me.n.t and dete.1tmine. :that the. p1toje.c.t will not c.1te.ate.
4,i.,gn.i..,6,i.,c.a.nt adve.1t-6e. e.nv.i_1tonme.nta.l .J...mpac.t6 and 1te.qu.e.-6t that a
ne.gat,i.,ve. de.c.la.1tat,i.,on be. p1te.pa1te.d.
Comm. Pe.i1tc.e. que.-6t,i.,one.d that i6 th,i.,-6 .J...6 not pa-6-6e.d, a pe.1t-6on 1tight
now ha-6 the. 1ti9ht 06 ge.tt.J...ng a va1tianc.e. 601t thi-6 pa1ttic.ul1t .J...-6-6u.e.
i6 he. wanted to.
M-6. Re.a1tdon-C1tite.-6 1te.plie.d in the. a66i1tmative..
Wilma Bu1tt, 1152 Seventh S.:t.1te.e..:t., que.-6Li..one.d whe.the.1t it i-6 -6;tLf.t in
the. 01tdinanc.e. that the. 10 pe..1tc.e.nt would not mak.e. you nonc.om601tm.J...n9.
M1t. G1tove. -6tate.d that thi-6 p1topo-6al would have. no a66e.c.t on the.
p1tovi-0io11-6 o 0 .:t.he. zoning c.ode. de.aLi.ng wi.:t..h n.onc.om601tm,i.ng 1.:>t1ttLc..:t.u1t.e.1.>.
That 1t.e.c.e.n..:t.ly e.n.ac..:t.e.d le.gi1.>la.:t.ion doe.-6 allow 001t 10 pe.1tc.e.nt le.-6-6
:than the. 1te.qu-i.1te.d -0,i.,de.ya1td tie..:t.bac.k.. In M1t-6. Bu.11.t 1 6 c.a-6e., a. 6-<.v<?. (5)
6oot 1te.qu.i11.e.d ~e.tbac.~. Te.n (10) pe.11.c.ent 06 that would be one. hal6
o 6 a {Joo:t; 6ou1t 6e.e.t {Jive. -<.n.c.he.-6 (4' 5") would be. a.e.R.owe.d a.-6 a
-6 ide.ya1td.
Wilma Bu1t.:t. -6ta.:t.e.d that the.11.e. a1te. othe.11. people. who we.1te. told the.y
we.11.e. nonc.om601tming wh.i.,c.h we.11.e. no.:t. nonc.om601tmin9 at .that t,i.me..
She. que.-6.:t.ion.e.d whe..:t.he.1t the.1te. i-6 an attempt to ~e.e. that .:t.he.-6e.
hou-6e.~ bu,i.,l.:t., c.on.6011.ming to .:t.he. c.ode. at .that time., would not be.
nonc.on601tming now.
Comm. Pe.i1tc.e. -6tate.d that the. zoning c.ode. ha-6 be.e.n updated ove.Jt the.
ye.alt-6. The. late.-6t c.opy 06 the. zoning code. i-6 what plte.vail-6 the. time..
16 the. -6t1tu.c.tu.11.e. doe.-6 not me.e.t all 06 tho-6e. pa1ttic.u.la.11. 1te.qui11.e.me.nt-6,
then the. -6t1tuc.tu1te. ,i.4 nonc.on601tmin9.
W.J...lma Bu1tt que.-0t.J...one.d whe.the.1t G1tan.d 0athe.1ting and tho-6e. that
have. p1te.viou-6ltj be.e.n. and built ac.c.011.ding to c.ode. alte. included ~n
thi-6 .
Mlt . G11.ove lte.pJU .. e.d that .the.y .a.JLe. c.on-6,i.de.11.e.d le.gal and nonc.on601cm.J...n9 and
may lt<? .. ma,i.,n ,i.,n tha,t:. c.on 0-i..gu.1tat,i.on-. The. c.ode. doe.-6 not 911.ant the.m
a -6pe.c.ial c.on~,i.,de.1tation be.c.au~e. o~ the.ill. e.xi-6ting c.on6igu1tation.
Re.c.e.n.tly an 01tdin.anc.e. ha6 be.en. e.nac.te.d .that will allow muc.h wide.It.
la.t,i.,tu.de. ,i.n add,i.,ng Olt Jte.mode.ling to tho~e. -6t1tuc..:t.u1te.-6. The.-6e. ~t1tuc.tu1te.-6
a.1te. -6t,i.ll nonc.on601tm-i..ng.
Wilma. Bu1tt que.-6.:t.ione.d i6 it i-6 le.gal and nonc.on601tming mu6t the.
pe.ople. come. be.001te the Council and a-6k. 001t a va.1tianc.e. and what
wou.ld the. c.ha.1tge. be. i6 they do.
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, OCTOBER 9, 7984
SIVEYARV SETBACK (cont.)
Page. 3
Comm. Compton Ae.plie.d that the. oAdina.nc.e. that wa.6 ju6t pa66e.d would
allow addition-0 to a le.gal, nonc.on&onming 6tnuc.tune. a.6 long a.6
the. ne.w pant o{i the. addition c.on&onme.d with all the. e.xi6ting zoning
law6.
Wilma Bunt que.1.,tione.d what the. c.hange. i6 &on the. vanianc.e..
MA. Gnove. ne.plie.d that the. vaniance. change. i6 $210.
Wilma Bunt a6ke.d whe.the.n that al-00 pa.id &on the. a.ppe.a.l to the.
C,tty Council.
Wilma Bunt a-6ke.d why the. Planne.d Unit de.ve.lopme.nt6 do not have.
to have. a 6ide. vaniance..
Comm .Compton ne.plie.d that no /Jide.ya.nd.,J:, a.ne. ne.c. e.1.>-0 a.ny be.c.a.u..6 e. th e.y
c.ou.td have. a.l..l be.en one. building . 1-t wa.1., de.c.J..de.d .to bttiLd wh at
looke.d like. townhome.6 . He. 1.>ta.te.d that it i/J mo1.,tly up to .th e.
de.ve.lope.A to c.ome. up with a. 1.,c.he.me.. Obviou.1.,ly, that i/J wha.L the.y
wante.d to build and that i-0 pant 06 the. Planned Unit de.ve.lo pme.nt.
Wilma Bunt 1.,tate.d that the. Planned Unit de.ve.!opme.nt ha.1., c.ontAibute.d
a gne.a.t de.al to the. de.n1.,ity both in houl.l.e.-6 and people.. She. 0e.e.l_,_s
that the. people. who have. built a.cc.0Adin9 to c.ode. 6hould have. a/J
muc.h Aight a.6 the. Planned Unit de.ve.lopme.nt doe.6 Aight now .
Viole.tte. I1.,gne.e.n, 726 Pno6pe.c.t Ave.nue. a.-0ke.d i6 the. le.gal, non
c.on&onming 6tatu6 i-6 on you.A pAope.nty wa-6 built in the. 40 1 1., oA the.
e.anly 50'-6, 6pe.a.king On a 25-&oot lot, i6 thi/J -6tAuc.tune. we.Ae. to
·hunn down would that lot -0till be. u.1.,a.ble..
Comm. Pe.inc.e. 1.,ta.te.d that you would have. to c.on 0oAm to the. mo.6t
he.c.e.nt Ae.vi.oion 06 the. zoning c.ode.. He. 6ta.te.d that any lot whic h
i 6 z o ne.d in R-7, -2, OA -3 a.nd me.e;t-6 .the. 1te.q uiAe.me.n.U o 6 the.
zoning code. can be built upon whe.the1t it i-0 a 10-6oot lot on
a 100-6oot lo:t.
Violette. I~gnee.n a1.,ke.d that with the changing -0ide.yand-0 i6 the
nonc.on601tmin9 -0tnuc.t.u1te bunnl down you c.an nebuild lt, but that
meanl the -0tnuctuAe. would be. naA1towe.1t.
Comm. Pe.lnc.e. /Jtate.d that in thi6 pantlc.ula.1t c.a6e. the.y ane. allowing what
i-0 a mone. libenalization o& the. 1.,ide.yand. Allowing -0ideuand-0
to be. 6malle.n than th.e.y a1te at the p1te.lent time..
Public he.a1ting c.lo-0ed.
Comm. Compton expAe66e.d that he. &e.el6 that a 6ive-6oot ne.qulne.me.nt
i-6 nea-6onable. and pAude.nt. He. 6tate.d that a 6ive.-6oot ne.qulne.me.nt
l-6 an a.cc.e.pted maximum ne.qui1te.me.nt ln e.ve.ny City that he. ha-0 de.alt
with a6 6a.n a-0 the. -0lde.ya1td-0.
Comm. Peince. e.xpne.-0~ed ~hat he. &e.lt that thi-0 would inc.ne.a-0e. vi6ual
bulk 61tom the -0t1te.e.t on lot-6 that ane. long and na1tnow.
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, OCTOBER 9, 1984
SIVEYARV SETBACK (c.ont.]
Page. 4
Comm. Compton Jz.e.pl.i e.d to Comm. Pe.iJz.c.e.'-0 -0tate.me.nt that in :the. d.iJz.e.c.tion
06 the. 6ide.yaJz.d, but the.n the. 6Jz.ont 06 the. Jz.e.aJz. would have. to be.
pulle.d .in be.c.au6e. you 6t.ill have. the. 6ame. lot c.ove.Jz.age..
Comm. Ne.wton -0tate.d that :the. 65-pe.Jz.c.e.nt lo t c.o v e.Jz.age. .i -0 a 6u66ic.ie.nt
pJz.o:te.c.:tion again6:t the. Jz.i-0k 06 bulki ng u p . She expne-0-0 e.d that -0he.
6e.lt that the. 6ide.yaJz.d i-0 -0u66.ic.ie.nt 6oJz. i.t-0 intende d puJz.po6e.6 . That i:t
f/2 wide. e.nough 6on e.me.ngenc.y ac.c.e.-0-0,a nd i t will pno v ide 6ome. vi6ual
bJz.e.ak be.twe.e.n -0tnuc.tuhe.6.
Comm. Pe.iJz.c.e. 6tate.d that he. will vote. again-0t .it. Fee.ling that it
.i-0 t66e.nt.ially an inc.ne.a6e. .in de.n-0ity.
Comm. Schulte. ne.ad 6nom :the. ame.ndme.nt :to Se.c.t.ion-0 401 on -0.id e.yand -0
"Eve.ny .la :t -0hall have. a -0 .ide!Jand on e.ac.h 6id e. 06
the. lot e.qual :to 10 pe.nc.e.nt 06 the. width 06 the. .lot,
w.i;th a minimum on w.id;th 06 :thne.e. (3) 6e.Q.,t. t,
Comm. Schulte. 6;ta;te.d w,i_;th. the. la6t po.Jz.t 06 a minimum 06 :thne.e. [ 3)
6e.e.:t .i-0 :take.n out and .i:t -0:tate.-0:
"p.1tov,i_de.d 6uc.h 6.ide.ya.1td 6hall not b e. le.66 :than :thne.e. (3)
6e.e.:t .in w,i_d:th and ne.e.d no:t e.xc.e.e.d 6ive. (5) 6e.e.:t
in width."
Comm. Sc.huLte. a-0ke.d why :thi-0 la6:t paJz.t i-0 .1te.qui.11.e.d. He. l.);ta.te.d
·that you ane. 6e.tting a minimum.
Comm. Pe.i.1tc.e. Jz.e.pl.ie.d .to Comm. S c.hul:te. with an ex ample. .that a
70-6oot lot now would ne.qu.iJz.e. a 6t v tn-6oot (7') -0.ideyand a.n d unde.n
th.i-0 pnopo6al would ne.qu.iJz.e. a 6.i v e.-6oot (5') 6l d e.ya.1td . A 4 0 -6oot
lot would .1te.qu.iJz.e. 6ou.1t 6e.e.t (4' ), and a 2 5 -600.t lot would Jte.qui~e.
:thne.e. 6 e.e..t ( 3' l .
Comm. Sc.hulte. Jte.plie.d ;tha;t ;th.i-0 .i-0 making .i;t e.al.)ie.n :the.n and not
to ug he.Jt.
Comm. Sheldon 6tate.d tha;t the. in-0;tanc.e.-0 06 gJz.e.ate.Jz. than 50-6oot
lot6 .in th.i6 City ane. 60 6mall al.) to be. .in-0.ign.i6.ic.a~t. He. e.xpJz.e.1.)1.)e.d
tha;t he. 6e.el6 6.ive.-6oot (5'] 6e.:tbac.k6 ane. ample. 6on tho6e. fie.w lo:t6
that would have. one. lot gne.ate.Jz. than 50 6e.e.t.
Mot.ion by Comm. She.ldon, -0e.c.onde.d by Comm. Newton, to app.1tove. the.
PEIR whic.h 6.ind-0 no ne.gat.ive. impac.t6.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAIN:
Comm-0. Sheldon, Newton, Shapino, Sc.hulte., Pe..inc.e., a nd Compt o n.
None..
Chmn. I zant.
None..
Mot.ion by Comm. Sheldon, 6e.c.onde.d by Comm. Newton, to appJz.ove. max i mum
-0.ide.yand -0e.tbac.k-0.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAIN:
Comm6. Sheldon, Ne.w;ton, Shapino, Sc.hulte., and Compton.
C o mm . P e..iJz. c. e. .
Chmn. Izant.
None..
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, OCTOBER 9, 1984
SIVEYARV SETBACK (cont.)
Page. 5
Comm. Compton -0tate.d :that i6 :the. lot c.ove.11..age i-0 not be.ing c.hange.d,
:the.n :the den-0ity i-0 not c.ha.nge.d e.i:the.11... He. -0ta.:te.d that -0ide.ya1r..d
a1r..e.a-0 a1r..e. ba-0ic.ally a u-0e.le-0-0 i:te.m o:the1r.. :th~n :the.i1r.. nee.d to allow
6i1r..e. aec.e.-0-0 :to :the. 1r..e.a1r.. :to be. able. :to .6top :the. plac.e. 611..om bu1r..ning;
ge.ne.11..ally, to give. ac.c.e.-0-0 to :the. 1r..e.a1r.. 06 :the. p1r..ope.1r..:ty.
Motion by Comm. Compton, .6ec.onde.d by Comm. Ne.wton, to app1r..ove.
Re.-0olution 84-27.
AYES:
NOTES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAIN:
Comm.6. Sheldon, Ne.wt.on, Shapi1r..o, Sc.hul:te., and Compton.
Comm. Pe.i1r..c.e..
Chmn. I zant.
None.
Comm. Pe.i1r..c.e. -0:ta:te.d that a 1r..e.-0olu:tion ha-0 been pa-0-0ed 11..ec.omme.nding
:to the. City Counc.il that the. -0ideya1r..d be. 11..elaxe.d in the R-1, R-2
zone.-0 611..om 10 pe.11..c.ent 06 lot width :to :th1r..e.e. 6ee.:t (3') minimum 011.. nee.d no:t
be. wide.Jr.. :than 6ive. 6e.e.:t (5' ).
SECTION 1162 ZONING COVE AMENVEMNT
M-0. Re.a1r..don-C1r..i:te.-0 gave. :the. -0:ta66 1r..e.po1t:t . She. indic.ate.d tha:t :the.
City Counc.il a.dop:te.d a Re.-0olu:tion o& Intention di1r..ec.:tin9 :the. Planning
Com111i-0-0ion :to hold a public. he.a.11..ing a.nd a.-0.6e..6.6 Clhl(?.ndin9 Se.c.:t .ion 1162
06 the. zoning c.ode.. She. -0:ta.te.d :that Se.c.:tlon. 11621B) o 0 the zoning
c.ode. 1te.qui1te.-0 that e.ue.1ty 1r..e.-0ide.ntlal building whlc.h i/4 -0.:t1r..u.c.tu1r..ally
alte.11..e.d to i.nc.Jte.a.6 e. g1to-0.6 6lo 011. a11.e.a. .6 hall p11..ovi.de. pe.11.ma.n.e.ntly
maln:tain.e.d a.nd pe.11..mane.n:tly available., one. pa1tk.ln.g 6pac.e. 6011.. e.a.c.h
e.xi.6ting unit. The. p1r..opo-0e.d 1r..e.ul4ion would allow addltlon.6 o 0 one.
hund11.e.d .6qua11.e. 6e.e.t, 011.. le..6.6, without a ua11.ianc.e.. She. c.ontinue.d in
J.>tating that c.u1t1r..e.ntly a. uan.la.nc.e. l-0 1r.e.qu.i1te.d 601t min.011.. add,i,,ti..on..6 :tha:t
do no:t p1r..ou,i,de. 066--0t11.e.e.:t pall..k.i..ng. Own.vu) 06 :the. .6malle.1t lou whic.h
a.11.e. unable. to p1r..ovlde. a.ddi..tlona.l pa1r..k.ing,mu-0t apply 601t a ua1r..lanc.e.
011.. 6o~e.go the. pnoje.c.t , even 6on the. addition 06 a .6mall anea.. Sta66
~.6 Jtec.omme.nding that PEIR be. ne.ulewe.d again and that the. Planning
Comml-0-0ion 6lnd that no -0lgn.i..6lc.ant a.dven-0e impact.6 ane. a-06oc.iated.
Sta.6f 1te.qu.e.-0t-0 tha.t a. ne.ga.tlve de.c.la.11..ation be 6ile.d and that the.
atta.c.hed 1r..e-0o lu tlon whlc.h wo~ld ne.c.omme.nd to the. City Cou.nc.il to
ame.nd Se.c.tion 1162(B) to be. adopted.
Comm. Shapi1r..o a6Qe.d -0ta.n6 how the.y c.ame. to the. c.onc.lu-0i..on that
100 6quane. 6e.e.:t would not be. u-0e.d a.6 a llui..ng .6pac.e.. He. a.-0Qe.d
whe.the.n that wa6 an oplni..on 011.. an opinion ba-0e.d on 6ac.t.
M6. Re.andon-CJr..lte.~ 11..e.pli..e.d that that wa6 an opinion 06 -0ta66-
Comm. Pe.l1r..c.e. a.~Qe.d whe.the.n thi.6 would allow a 100 -0qua.ne. &e.e.t
to be added but not ne.c.e.-0-0a.1tily a.6 a utility. That a pe.1r..-0on c.ould
add a po1r..c.h 011.. anothe.11.. 11..oom. He a..6Qe.d whe.the.11.. a 1r..e.-0tll..lc.tlon i-0
.6pe.c.i..6i..e.d on the. u.6e. 06 thi...6.
M-0. Re.aJtdon-Cnlte.-0 11..e.plle.d in the. ne.ga.tlve..
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PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, OCTOBER 9, 1984
SECTION 1162 ZONING COVE AMENVMENT (cont.)
Page. 6
Comm. Ne.wton a-0ke.d how many va.1c.iance..6 have. be.e.n 6ought ~n the. la-0.t
ye.ale. 601c. a 100 -0qua1c.e. fie.e.t Ole. le.-0-0.
Mir.. G1c.ove 11.eplie.d none .to hil> 1te.colle.ction. He. J.date.d that thi-0
ca.me. up whe.n the. Cdy Council di.6 cu.J.i.6 e.d the. ame.ndme.nt-0 to the.
zoning 01tdinanc.e. de.a.Li.ng with n.onc.on6 01tming 1.it1tu.ct1LJ1.e.-0. When ;the.
i.te.m waJ.i be.001c.e. the Planning Commi1.i-0ion, ;the. Commi-0-0ion concu.1t1c.e.d wi;th
-0.ta.66 that Se.ction 1162 -0hou.ld be. maintaine.d without any e.xce.ption6
due. to the. -0ho1ttage. 06 pa.ttklng in town. He. -0.tate.d that Council
6tlt that a J.ima.ll all.ea u.p to 100 6qu.a1c.e. 0e.e.t might b e. allowed without
p1c.oviding a yattia.nce. be.cau6e. it .6igni6ic.antly doe.6 not inc.1c.e.a-0e.
the. living a.1te.a ll.e..6u.lting in a la.1tge.1c. nu.mbe.1c. 06 oc.c.upant-0 .
Comm. Schulte. Atate.d that he. i.6 u.nde.1c. the. analy.6iJ.i that e.ve.1c.y
1c.e.-0lde.ntial building which i6 -0t1c.u.ctu.1c.ally alte.1c.e.d to inc.1c.e.a-0e.
gll.066 6loo/t a1c.e.a. 6hall p1c.ovide. pe.1c.mane.ntly maintaine.d and
pe.1c.mane.ntly available. one. pa.1c.king .6pac.e. 601c. e.ach e.xi-0ting unit.
Mic.. G1tove. 1c.e.plie.d in the. a66ill.mative..
alte.1c.ation 1c.e.-0u.lte.d in an inc1c.e.a.6e. in
doe.6 not inc.1c.e.a6e. the. 6loo1t .6pace., it
have. that one. pall.king -0pac.e..
Public. he.a1c.ing ope.ne.d.
He. -0ta;te.d that i6 the.
the. 6loo1c. .6pac.e.. 16 it
would not be. 1c.e.quike.d to
Comm. Pe.i1c.ce. 6tate.d that thi-0 matte.It i-0 to allow a 100 6qu.a1c.e. ne.e.t
be. put in without having to me.e.t the. pall.king 1c.e.qu.i1te.me.nt 06 one.
pale.king .6pot pe.1c. unit.
Wilma Bu.1tt a-0ke.d whe.the.1c. that would pe.1c.mit a pe.1c.1.ion to ce.me.nt
di66e.1c.e.nt ya1c.d u6e. 06 thi6 pa1c.king plant.
Comm. Pe.i1c.c.e. 1c.e.plie.d that the.y have. to me.e.t the. code..
M1t. Sima.6, 1214 10th St1c.e.e.t,-0.ta.:te.d tha:t i-6 you. have. a 50-oil. 75-6oot
lot, you. al1c.e.ady have. a 90-6oot d1c.ive.way whe.1c.e. you. can palc.k 6ive. c.alc.6.
He. the.n qu.e.6tione.d whe.the.1c. you. can do that without building a gale.age..
M1c.. G1c.ove. 1c.e.plie.d that p1c.e.-0e.ntly the. zoning 01c.dinanc.e. doe.6 have.
p1c.ovi-0ion6 fioll. ope.n pa.1c.king pll.ovide.d it i.6 not loc.a~e.d within the.
okont 50 6eet 06 the lot. He .6tated that in the. ca.6e 06 a 90-6oot
d~iveway , you. would have at lea.6t one. pall.king ~pace. that wa-0 not in
the. 6Aont 50 6e.e.t 06 the. lot and would comply with tht pll.e-0e.nt code.
'1. e. q u.ill. e.m e.nt.
Comm. Pe.iJtc.e. 1c.e.plie.d that it va1c.ie.~ 6Jtom -0t1c.e.e.t to -0t1c.e.e.t.
Comm. Schulte. ~tate.d that i-6 6omeone. want~ to add a ~t1c.u.ctu.1c.e. 06
le.~~ than a 100 ~qau.~e. fie.e.t, the.y do not have. to ne.ce.~-0a1c.ily add
a gall.age..
Public. he.a1c.lng clo~e.d.
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, OCTOBER 9, 1984
SECTION 7762 ZONING COVE AMENVMENT (cont.)
Page 7
MA. GAove gave an exact de6inition 06 what the code i6 Aight now and
what it will be changed to i6 the Commi6-0ion enacted what the 6ta66
Aecommend-0. PAe6ently, i6 you have a Ae6idence and you aAe wanting
to add to that Ae-0idence any amount 06 gAo-0-0 6looA aAea, you aAe
AequiAed to have at lea-0t one 066--0tAeet paAking 6pace to be able
to do that. He -0tated that thi6 amendment would allow a -0light
~ddition 06 le66 than 100 6quaAe 6eet without pAoviding that one paAking
6pace.
MA. GAove 6tated that anyone wi6hing to add a -0mall bathAoom,
utility Aoom, oA -0omething 06 that natuAe to a Ae6idence that had
no o16-6tAeet paAking and could not pAovide any 066--0tAeet paAking.
Anyone wihhing to do that wa-0 AtquiAed to go thhough the vaAiance
pAoceduAe when the addition Aeally did not 6igni6icantly incAea-0e
the living aAen oA the numbeA 06 occupant-0.
Comm. ShapiAo a6ked whetheA the vaAiance wa-0 ghanted.
MA. GAove Aeplied in the a66iAmative.
Comm. PeiAce a-0ked whetheA a 100 6quaAe 6eet i6 6ta66'-0 Aecommendation
06 an aveAage--0ized bathAoom.
MA. GAove -0tated that wa-0 the 6iguAe that City Council included in
the Re-0olution 06 Intention.
·comm. Sheldon a6ked i6 thi-0 i-0 only -0igni6icant 6~A -0tAuctuAe-0 that
aAe cuAAently pAoviding no 066--0tAeet paAking.
MA. GAove Aeplied in the a66iAmative.
Comm. Sheldon -0tated that thi-0 applie-0 only to the Ae6idence6 that
have no 066--0tAeet paAking at all.
MA. GAove Aeplied in the a66iAmative, and he -0tated oA le66 than
one peA unit.
M-0. ReaAdon-CAite6 Aeplied that you have the authoAity to add anotheA
wheAea-0 oA to Ae6tAict it in 6ome manneA.
Comm. Compton 6tated that he could 6uppoAt the motion a-0 long a6 the
occupancy i66ue i6 addAe6-0ed.
Comm. Newton 6tated that -0he could not 6uppoAt the motion. That
anything that Aelaxe-0 the paAking AequiAement-0 in thi-0 City would
be ill-advi-0ed.
Comm. Schulte -0tated that he agAee-0 with Comm. Newton. He 6eel-0
that the puApo6e 06 the law i-0 to make it tougheA to have a·home
~hat doe-0 not have adequite paAking. He 6tated he cannot 6uppoAt thi-0
Ae6olution.
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, OCTOBER 9, 1984
SECTION i162 ZONING COVE AMENVMENT (cont.)
Page. 8
Comm. Pe.iJtc.e. -0tate.d that he. al-00 c.anno.t 6uppoh.t thl-0 Jte.6olution. He.
-0:ta.te.d that it pe.Jtpe.tuate.6 outdate.d 6ub6tandaJtd hou6ing. He. e.xphe.66e.d
that thi-0 give.6 .the. pe.Jt6on who ha-0 .thi-0 a hight othe.Jt6 cannot e.njoy.
Comm. ShapJ...11.0 a-0k.e.d 6011. one. cla11.inJ..cation 11.e.ga JtdJ..ng :the. 100 -0quaJte.
6e.e..t . Stating that ,the. 100 l>qua.11.e. 0e.e...t, J..{<, you had gone. bac.k. :to u.n-i..t-0,
i-0 the. language. cle.all. e.nou.gh no:t 6pe.ci6ying 100 6quaJte. 6e.e.:t pe.h unit .
He. a-0k.e.d whe.:the.11. .th~.6 100 l>quaJte. 0e.e.:t can be. put into mo11.e. .than
one. he.-0ide.ntial unJ...t.
Mh. Gil.ave. 6.ta.te.d .tha.t i.t allowl> up :to 100 -0qua11.e. &e.e..t, a6 long al>
·J...t Wal> wJ...thJ..n .the. one. l>.tJtuc.tuJte..
'Comm. ShapJ..Jto -0.ta.te.d tha.t .thi-0 would me.an .the. 100 6quaJte. &e.e.t c.an
be. l>plJ..t in any way.
Mh. GJtove. Jte.plie.d J..n the. a6{<,iJtma.tive..
Motion by Comm. Sheldon, 6e.c.onde.d by Comm. Ne.w.ton, Jte.c.omme.ndJ..ng to
.the. CJ...ty Counc.J..l .tha.t .the. zoning c.ode. no.t be. change.d .to allow
100 -0qua11.e. 6e.e..t .to be. adde.d, i6 .the. pall.king il> -0ub-0.tandaJtd.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAIN:
Comm6. She.ldon, New.ton, ShapiJto, Sc.hul.te., and Pe.iJtc.e..
Comm. Comp.ton.
Chmn. Izan.t.
None..
Motion by Comm. Pe.ihce., 6e.conde.d by Comm. Schulte., tha.t .the.
Re.6olu.tion no.t be. he.comme.nde.d .to .the. City Council.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAIN:
Comm-0. Sheldon, New.ton, Shapiho, Schulte., and Pe.iJtc.e..
Comm. Comp.ton.
Chmn. Izan.t.
None..
Comm . Pe.ill.c.e. l>tate.d that a. ll.e.c.omme.nda.tJ..on hal> b e.en made. .to :the.
City Counc.-Ll, ,i..n .the. pa-6.t Re.1.>olu.tJ..on, not to he.lax -t.he. pa.11.k.ing
1.>~anda.11.d-0 Oil. no.t to allow ~ny addi:tJ..onal 6pac.e. on a -0ub-0.tandaJtd
building that doe.4 not have. ade.qui.te. pa11.k.J..ng. Meaning one. pa.11.k.ing
6 pace. pe.Jt unit.
ZONING COVE INTERPRETATION OF SECTION 405, 506, 604, and 704
M.t. GJtove. -0ta.te.d .tha..t .6.ta.0 6 i.-6 Jte.comme.nding .that the. Pla.nn.ing Commi66ion
adopt .the. Re.1.>olution de.claJting the. ~dmJ..n-U.>.t11.a..tive pJtactic.e and
cla.Ai6ying :the. intent 06 Sec.tion6 405(3), 506(3), 556(3), 604(3), and
704(3). He. 6ta.ted .that: 1.>ta66 i4 a6king .the. Planning Commi6-0ion to
conc.uJi. with .the. inte~pJte.tation 06 tho6e. Se.c..t ion6 that 6.ta.,66 ha6
be.en utilizing J..n the. pa.6t. He. e.xplaJ..ne.d .that .the.6e. Se.c.tJ..on-0
he.late. to 6e.pa.Jta.tion 06 buildJ..ng6 on individual lo.t.6 and not to
.t.e.pa.Jta.tion be.twe.e.n bu.ilding6 on a.djo,i,n.,i,ng lo:t~. Th.e. building'6
loc.a..:tion, on any lot, ii.> gove.Ji.ned by the. 6e..tba.c.k. 011. ya.,r.d Jte.quiJz.e.me.n . .t
a.nd .the. loc.a..tion o 0 o;the.Jt bc.uldJ..ngl.> on .the. 1.>ame. lo.t. He 6~a..te.d that
the. location 06 building6 on adjoining lot6 ha.6 no be.aJting on ne.w
building plac.e.me.nt.
Comm. Ne.wton -0.ta.te.d that 6he. would li~e. ~o c.omme.nd MJt. GJtove. 6oJt an
exc.e.lle.n.t 6.ta66 Jte.poJt:t.
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PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, OCTOBER 9, 1984 Page. 9
ZONING COVE INTERPRETATION OF SECTION 405, 506, 604, and 704 (c.ont.)
Public. he.a.tting ope.ne.d.
Comm. Pe.i.ttc.e. htate.d that thi~ i~ a 4e.que.~t 60.tt inte..ttp.tte.tation 06
Se.c..tion-0 on whe..the.4 .two uni.t-0 c.an be. built c.lo~e.h than e.igh.t oe.e.t
(8') in a zoning c.ode..
Ste.ve. Kaplan, 1413 Se.pulve.da Blvd., Man.hat.tan Be.ac.h, ~ta.te.d .that
he. c.ann.o.t imp4ove. upon .the. -0.ta66 an.a.ly-0i-0 Oh the. in.te.4p.tte.ta.tion
06 hi-0 po-0i.tion o.the.n .than Mh. G.ttove.1 -0 .tte.po.tt.t. He. 6e.e.l-0 i.t -0e.t-0
6u.ttth quite. c.le.a.ttly.
Comm.
owne..tt.
Mn. Kaplan he.plie.d in .the. a66inma..tive..
Gondon Re.i.te.n, 643 24.th Plac.e.. M.tt. Re.ite.4 quoted 6.ttom the. City
c.ode.: "The. di,!itanc.e. be.-twe.e.n a.ny building-0 u-0 e.d 60 ,t human habi:ta.tion
-0hall not be. le.-0-0 .than -0ix 6e.e..t (6')." Mn. Re.ite..tt .tte.c.omme.nde.d
.that a 6ootno.te. be. adde.d .tte.ading a~ long a-0 .the.y ane. on the. -0ame. lot.
Comm. Pe.i4c.e e.x.p.tte.-0je.d that he. i-0 ~ympathe.tic. .to .the. p.ttoble.m on
24.th Plac.e., but that he. 6ind-0 it ha4d ~o make. any o.the..tt in.te..ttp.tte.ta.tion,
ba-0e.d on the. Engli-0h, that a -0ingle. lot i-0 c.alle.d 6on in the. Se.c.tion.
Comm. She.ldon a-0ke.d Comm. Pe.i.ttc.e. what i-0 the. Se.c.tion that l-0 unde.n
-0 c..twtin y.
M.tt. G.ttove. -0ta.te.d that Se.c..tion 405(3) i-0 the. Se.c..tion .that Judge. Wadding.ton
add.tte.-0-0e.d a c.lani6ic.a.tion 06. Sinc.e. .the.y all .tt~ad .the. -0ame., it
ha-0 be.e.n ne.c.omme.nde.d 604 all 06 the. he.-0ide.ntial zone.-0.
Comm. New.ton -0.ta.te.d -that -0he. dou no.t be.l-ie.ve. .the. judge. c.ould not
have. mi-0.tte.ad .the. zoning c.ode.-0 be.c.au-0e. .the.y a.tte. panticula.ttly c.le.a.tt.
She. 6e.e.l-0 .that he. e.44one.ou-0ly a-0-0ume.d -that in the. R-1 zone. only one.
habitable. -0.i.ttuc.tune. c.ould be. plac.e.d on a R-1. She. -0.ta.te.d that
.taking .that .toge.the.n with Se.c..tion 405(3), the. Judge. conc.lude.d that
.the. c.ode. -0e.c..tion would have. .to me.an .the. -0e.pa.tta.tion be.twe.e.n building-0
on adjoining lo.t-0, ha.the.4 .than building-0 on one. lot.
Comm. Pe.i~c.e. -0.ta.te.d .that a p.tte.limin.ahy in.junc..tion. wa-0 plac.e.d whic.h
i-0 di~e.c.ting the. Commi-0-0ion .to do -0ome..thing.
Comm. New.ton ~.ta.te.d that .tht pa.tt.ty who wa-0 adve.~-0e.ly a66e.c.te.d by the.
injunc..tion would like. the. Commi-0-0ion'-0 in.te.4phe..ta.tion bec.au-0e. the.
logic.al inte..ttphe..tation 06 the. zoning c.ode. 6avo.tt.6 .the. pa.tt.ty e.njoin.e.d.
M.tt. Min.tze..tt -0tate.d .that he. i-0 .the. a.t.to.ttne.y 604 -0ome. 06 .the. home.owne..tt-0
6n 24.th Plac.e. in litigation. again.-0t M.tt. Ca-0ne.h. He. ne.e.l-0 .that
Judge. Waddington pnope.hly -0aw .the. i-0-0ue.. He. -0.tate.d hi-0 point that
you c.an. plac.e. a building on a lot and have. it not be. le.-0-0 .than
e.igh.t 6e.e..t (8') 6.ttom a building on an adjoining lot.
Comm. Ne.wton .tte.plie.d that you c.an, but .that you do no.t have. .to unde..tt
the. zoning c.ode..
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, OCTOBER 9, 7984 Page. 10
ZONING COVE INTERPRETATION OF SECTION 405, 506, 604 , and 704 (c..on.:t.)
Mil.. Min.:tze.ll. 1.i.:ta.:te.d that .:the. pe.ll.pe..:tu.al mi1.iin.:te..11.p11.e...:ta.:tion 06 an
oll.dinanc..e. will not 1te.-0olve. .:the. pnoble.m. He. al-00 1.i.:ta.:te.d he. would
like. .:to -0e.e. .:the. e.igh.t-000.t (8') 1.ie.pa1ta.tion be..:twe.e.n dwe.lling u.ni.:t1.i
be.. ke.p.:t.
Be.tty Ryan, 588 20.:th S.tne..e..:t, 1.i.:tate..d that .:the.11.e.. i-0 a g e..ntl e..man that
ha-0 gone.. .:th11.ou.gh all .the.. me.c..hani1.im1.i, got all .:the.. pe.1tmi.:t1.i, and ha-0
-0ome.. bu.ilding-0 almo-0.:t c..omple.te.d. She. a1.ike..d i6 .:thi-0 man c..anno.:t c..omple...:t e.
the.. bu.ildin9~ the.nit will 1.i.:tand u.nc..omple..~e.d. She.. the.n a-0ke.d whic..h
wi l l be. mane.. at.:tnac..tive. two u.nc..omple..te..d -0.:t1tuc..tu1te..-0 on two ve..ny
a.:ttnac...:tive. home..-0.
Wilma Bunt, 1152 Se.ve.n.:th Stne.e..:t, -0.:tate..d that -0he.. 6e.e.l-0 .:thi-0 ha-0
to be. uni6011.me.d,and that e.ve..nyone. ha-0 to be.. .:tne.ate.d the.. -0ame... I6
i.:t i~ equal in one. plac..e., it i-0 e.qual 1.iome.whe.ne. e.l-0e..
Bob Fle.c..k, 620 24th Plac..e., -0tate.d that he. would like. .:to c..omme.nt
on ~he. lac..k 06 notic..e. on thi-0 pa1ttic..ula1t matte.It having be.e.n
6ile.d on the. pape.n. He. c..omme.nde.d .:the. 1.ita66 on ac..tlng -00 1.ipe.e.dily.
He. -0tate.d that Se.c..tion 405 wa-0 wnitte.n long be.6011.e. the. "G1i,anny"
ondinanc..e. c..ame. in.to a66e.c...t. That all the. hou-0e.1.i built be.601te.
'77, '78 had an. e.ight-6oot (8') -0e.pa1ta.tion e.xac..tly, e.xc..e.p.:t 601t
gall.age..-0 and po11.c..he..-0. He. -0.:tate.d that a me.c..hani-0m e.xi-0t-0 6011.
1.iome.one. to pe..:tition the. City 6 01t a v anianc..e.., i6 the..y think .:th e. lot
i-0 nonc..on601tming. He.. e.x p1te..-0-0e..d that he. would lik~ .:to 1.ie..e. thi-0
me.c..han .<.J.im be.. applied and u-6 e.d ti.ni601tmly . That .:the. pe.opR..e do, in 6ac...t,
go .:thnough .:the. pnoc..e.-0-0 06 a1.ik ing 6011. a v o..11.ianc..e... He 6ee..l1.i that
;to nig h.:t ·1 J.i 1te..-0 olutio n wo u.l d on l y c..o nt:i n u e. .:the.. Ci;ty ' 1.i no ne..n 6 011.c..e.me..n.:t
06 a ve.11.y c..le.an law.
Comm. Pe.ill.c..e. a-0ke.d Mil.. Fle.c..k whe.the.ll. .the. ll.e.ading 06 .:the. c..ode. i1.i
unc..e.ll.tain .:to him.
Mil.. Fle.c..k ll.e.plie.d in the. negative.. He. 1.itate.d t:hat he. ve.ll.lJ 1.itll.ongly
agll.e.e.1.i with .:the. Judge.. He. 6e.e.l1.i that .:the. p1toble.m e.xi1.it1.i in .:the.
6ill.J.it 6e.w woll.d-0: "plac..e.me..n.t 06 building-0 on any lo.t." He. 6e.e.l -0
any lo.t me.an-0 .:to de.1.iigna.:te. any lot 06 all .the. lo.t1.i.
Comm. Comp.ton 1.i.ta.te.d .tha.t i.t i-0 no.t only "Gnanny" hou1.ie.-0 .that c..an
be. c..on1.iide.1te.d ho.bi.table..
Mil.. Fle.c..k a1.ike.d Comm. Comp.ton wha.t e.l-0e. i;t c..an be. c..on1.iide.11.e.d a1.i.
Comm. Cbmp;ton ll.e.plie.d a gue.-0.t ll.oom, a c..ll.e.a;tion ll.oom whic..h 0..11.e. allowe.d
on .the. -0ame. lo;t.
Comm. Comp;ton ll.e.plie.d in ;the. a66ill.ma~ive..
Mn. Fle.c..k a-0ke.d whe..the.ll. .thi-0 i1.i a building u-0e.d 6oll. human habi.ta.:tion.
Mn. Gil.ave. ne.plie.d that Comm. Comp.ton i-0 ll.e.6e.1t1ting to tha.t .:the.
building code. would de.0ine. any habi;table. -0t1tu.c..tu1te. 0..1.i one. whic..h i-0
u.-0e.d 0on living, c..ooking, 1.ile.e.pingi -00 e.ven, c..n~ation noom-0 would
be. 111.i e.d in c..onjunc...tion wi.th .the.. main dwe..ll,i..ng.
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, OCTOBER 9, 1984 Page 11
ZONING COVE INTERPRETATION OF SECTION 405, 506 604, and 704 (c.ont.)
Comm. Pe.ifLc.e a.6Qe.d whe.the.fL in the. Code. it .6tate.l that you. c.an have.
r -~ two habitable. .6tf1.u.c.tu.f1.e..6 on a l.lingle. lot.
r
MfL. GfLove. fLe.plie.d that pf1.e..6e.ntly it wa.6 1Le.6e.1L1Le.d to th ol.le. a.6
ac.c.e..6.6of1.y .6tf1.u.c.tu.f1.e..6. The. .6u.b.6e.c.tion.6 u.nde.fL 405 do allow 601L
ac.c.e..61.lOILY -6tf1.u.c.tu.f1.e..6. He. l.ltate.d that MfL. Fle.c.Q'.6 l.ltate.me.nt to
the. 11 GILa.n.ny II u.nit.6 i.6 tf1.u.e.. That it wa.6 not palLt O fJ thi.6 OILdinan c.e.
whe.n. 405(3) wa.6 ofLiginally e.na.c.te.d. Hawe.ve.fL, whe.n 405(3) wa..6
01Liginally adopte.d,a.6 pa.fLt 06 N.S. 154,the.fLe. wa..6 anothe.lL p1Lovi.6ion
whic.h did allow 6of1. two dwe.llin.g u.nit.6 in. a R-1 zone. .6u.bj e.c.t to
~pe.c.i6ic. c.fLite.nia.
Jane Alli.6on, 620 24th Plac.e., pointe.d ou.t a fJe.w thin.g.6 to th e. Commi.6-6i o n.
One. being that the. people. 06 24th Plac.e. did olLiginally c.ontac.t
MIL. Ca.6ne.f1., be.601Le. he. pu.nc.ha.-6e.d the. p1tope.1Lty, to le.t him Qnow the.
people. on 24th Plac.e. iute.·.not inte.1Le..6te.d in. having two hou.ld.6 btii.l'..t.
Sh e. -6tate.d that -6he. would liQe. to -6e.e. thi-6 done. ac.c.ofLding to c.ode..
She. -6tate.d that .6he 6e.e.l-6 that i6 thi.6 1Le..6olu.tion i.6 pa-6-6e.d, it
-6hould be. 6ully notic.e.d to allow ample. time. 06 pne.pa/tation to di-6c.u..6.6
thi-6 matte.fL with the. Commi-0.6ion.
MIL. Gf1.ove. -6tate.d that thi-6 matte.IL wa-0 not notic.e.d in. the. pape.lL. The.
1Le.a-6on 6of1. that be.in.git i-6 not a public. he.alLin.g . Se.c.tion 1101
p1Le..6c.1Libe.-0 the. l.ly.6te.m by whic.h you. c.lafLi6ie.d an. ambiguity.
Ste.ve. Kaplan., 1413 Se.pu.lve.da Blvd., Manhattan. Be.ac.h, l.lta.te.d that he.
6e.e.l.6 the.fLe. i-6 a ne.e.d 601L in.te.1Lp1Le.tation 06 the. ambiguity. That
a va1Lianc.e. i-6 not the. appfLopfLiat e. me.c.hani-6m he. c.an u.l.le.. He. l.ltate.d
that he. would n.e.e.d to a-0k 601L a va1Lianc.e. 60~ ~ome.thing that i-6
al f1.e.ady al lowed b e.c.a u..6e. the. Ci t y ha-0 n ot .6.toppe.d Mh . Kaplan '-6
c.li e.nt pAoje.c.t . T he. Ci t y ha -6 not 6hu.t d own the. plLoje.c.t 6ite.. Thi6
i-6 a plLi va te. a c.t i o n , pa.1Lt c.iv il l i tigation . He. l.ltate.d that all th ~
app1top1tiate. Ci t y g ui de.line.f.i h av e. be.e.n 6 ollo~ue.d. He. aJ.>Qe.d the.
Planning Comm i 6.6ion t o adopt the. 0 1L dln.a n.c.e. that i-0 be.6oAe. the.
Plann i ng Co mmi-0 1.lio n t hi6 e.v e.n.i n g .
Comm. Sha.pi/to a.6 Qe.d M!t. Ka.plan whe.the.fL the. .6 tate.m e.nt "Orc.dinan.c.e. 4 0 5 ( 3)
pf1.obably applie..6 to adjoining lot-6,11 i.6 MIL. Kaplan.'.6 ofL Judge.
Waddington'.6 inte.fLpfLe.tation..
MIL. Kaplan he.plied that that language. l.lhow-6 u.p on th~ Judge.'.6 hu.lin.g.
Comm. ShapifLo al.lke.d Mh. Kaplan whethe.lL Se.pte.mbe.h 5 wa.6 the. 6i1t6t da y
o 6 the. tlLi al.
MIL. Kaplan fLe.plie.d that it wa.6 the. 6ifL6t time. in 6f1.ont 06 Judge.
Waddington. He. r.itate.d that he. will go in 61Lont 06 Judge. Waddington
aaain to -6e.e.k to di.66olve. the. injunc.tion bal.le.d u.pon the.
c.lafLi6ic.ation 06 the. City.
MIL. Mintze.Jt l.ltate.d that the. f1.eme.dy i-6 not 6ofL an admini-6tnativ e
bu1Le.au.c.1Latic. in.te.fLpne.tation. The. ne.me.dy i -6 ~o c.hange. ~he. wolLd-6.
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, OCTOBER 9, 1984 Page. 12
ZONING COVE INTERPRETATION OF SECTION 405, 506, 604, and 704 (c.ont.)
Comm. Compton 6tate.d that he. -0uppo1tt6 the. 1te.-0olution.
Comm. Ne.wton 6tate.d that -0he. 6e.e.l6 :the. language. i6 c.le.alt and would have.
:to -0uppo1tt the. 1te.-0olution. She. e.xp1te.6-0e.d that 6he. doe.6 60
1te.luc.tantly,and that 6he. 0e.e.l.o .oympa.:thy 601t :the. people. on 24.:th Place..
Comm. She.ldon 6ta.:te.d :that he. totally ;.,uppoltt-6 the. c.omme.nt-6 made.
by Comm. Ne.w.:ton. He. 6ind6 no mi.oin.:te.1tp1te.tation 06 the. c.ode. and
6ully 6uppo1t.:t-6 :the. 1te.-0olution.
Motion by Comm. Ne.w.:ton, -0e.c.onde.d by Comm. Shapi1to, to adopt
Re..tiolu.:t.J...on P.C. 84-28.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAIN:
Comm6. Sh~ldon, Compton, Shapi1to, Pe.i1tc.e., Ne.w.:ton, and Sc.hul.:te..
None..
Chmn. Izan.:t.
None..
M1t. G1tove. 1te.plie.d .:tha.:t .:thi-0 will be. 601twa1tde.d :to :the. City Council.
S~ction 1101 06 :the. zoning c.ode. pltovide.-6 ~ha.:t 6hould City Council
app1Love. . .:the..Re.6olution; :then .:the.1te.a.0te.1t, .:tha.:t an inte.1tµ1te..:ta.:tion
6 hall go ve.MJ..
Comm. She.ldon ,6.:t,a.:te.d .:tha.:t he. would liRe. :the. Planning Vi1te.c.:to1t to
upda..:te. :the. Commi,6,6ion on :the. ac..:tivi.:ty .:tha..:t he. i-6 awa.1te. 06, both
in inqui1ty and p~ltmi.:t 6.:tage., on the. con-6t1tuc..:tion 06 home.-6 on
25-600.:t lo.:t-6. 16 po66ible., by :the. ne.x.:t me.e..:ting.
A b1te.aR Wa6 taRe.n.
Comm. Pe.i1tce. c.lo-0~d :the. public. he.a1ting and c.on.:tinue.d i.:t until
Oc..:to b e.1t 16.
LAND USE ELEMENT REVISION
Comm. Pe.i1tc.e. 6.:ta.:te.d :that .:the.1te. have. be.e.n a long 6e.1tie.6 06 me.e..:ting6
and public. he.a1tin96 on .:thi-0 i-06ue.. The. 1te.-0ul.:t ha-0 be.e.n a 1te.po1t.:t
which wa-6 w1titte.n July 26. At that time., the.1te. wa;., a public. he.a1ting
to c.omme.nt on it, but the.1te. ha-0 be.e.n no ac..:tion 6inc.e. :then.
Comm. Ne.wton 6.:ta.:te.d :that -0he. had not 1te.c.e.ive.d one. 06 .:tho6e. doc.ume.n.:t6.
Mrt.. Ca.,6 .:tane.da ,6 ta.:te.d :that bee.au;., e. o 6 :the e.x.te.nde.d pVt.<.od o 6 :time.;
a;., we.ll a-0 :the. 0ac..:t, .:tha..:t we. have. a. pe.1tiod 06 .:t1ta.n-0i.:tion with ne.w
me.mbe.1t6 on :the. Commi6-6ion; a.6 well a.-0 :the. 0a.c..:t, :that not e.a.c.h
Commi-06ione.1t ha6 :the. ,6ame. body 06 in601tma..:tion, it ha.6 be.e.n .o.:ta.66'6
vie.w tha.:t one. 06 the. i.:te.m6 we. ne.e.d to cove.It tonight i-0 the. be.6t
p1toce.du.4e. by which :to all.hive. a.:t a. Land U6e. Ele.me.nt, both in map and
te.x.:t 601tm. One. :that thi.o Commi66ion 6e.e.l6 c.om 001ttable. with
1te.c.omme.nding :to :the. Ci.:ty Council. M1t. Ca6ta.ne.da 6.:tate.d that the.
City Cou.nc.).l ha6 a.u..t.ho1tize.d a. p1to9Jr.am ave.It .the. la.-0.:t .:thll.e.e. ( 3 l ye.alt-6
b6 u.pda.,t-i.ng va1tie.-0 e.le.me.n.:t-6 06 :the. ge.ne.11:.a.l plan. The. hou.6ing e.le.me.n.:t
wa.-6 1te.ce.n.:tly u.pda.te.d a.6.:te.1t a ye.a.1t'6 wo1tXh 06 e.6601t.:t. The. he.cond
e.le.me.n.-t :to be 1tevi-0 e.d ih the. La.nd U-6 e. Eie.me.n.:t. He. -0 ta.:te.d tha..t the.
majolt 1te.a.6on 601t ~hi-6 i-0 that the. la6t c.omp1te.he.n6ive. look a..:t the.
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, OCTOBER 9, 1984
lANV USE ELEMENT REVISION (cont.)
Page. 13
e.le.me.nt wa-0 in 7967. He. A.ta.te.d .that a numbe.ft 06 condi.tion-0 have.
cha.nge.d -0ince. .the.n and the.fte. afte. Aome. ou.t-0.ta.nding que.-0.tion-0. He.
0e.e.l-0 .that it i-0 p~e.ma.tufte. .to fte.comme.nd .thi-0 document to the.
Ccmmi-0-0ion until .the. Commi-0-0ion had a. thohough oppohtunity to
·ite.vic.w i.t, and an oppofttunLty .to have. .the. pub.Lee at lahge. c.om;ne.nt on
it.
Comm. Pe.iftce. -0.ta.te.d he. would like. mofte. public input. He. Augge.--6te.d
wide.ft di-0.tftibu.tion 06 meeting notice. and having a que.--6tionnaihe.
attached to .the. City Ne.w-0le.t.te.h. Thi--6 would enable. the. Planning
Commi--6-0ion .to -0e.n-0e. what the. people. in .the. City want a--6 6ah a--6:
1) comme.hcia.l di-0thict
2) .6pe.ci 0ic i.te.m.6 on downtown di.6thict
3) tfta66ic cihculation
4) de.nAi.ty i-6--6 ue.
Comm. Comp.ton a--6ke.d 6oh a clafti 0ica.tion on .the. 6igufte. 06 ache.age. pe.h
zone..
Comm. Compton a-0ke.d Mh. Ca--6.tane.da whe..the.ft i.t i--6 appftopftia.te. .to
-0ummaftize. fte.comme.nda.tion--6 oft the. pe.h.tine.n.t fte.comme.nda.tion-0 that
~he. obviou--6ly e.lucida.te.d in .the. book to be. publi-0he.d in the. ne.wAle..tte.h
.to ge.t Aome. input.
Mh. Ca--6tane.da -0.ta..te.d .that one. 06 the othe.h item~ .that ha-0 occuhhe.d,
at le.a.-0t at the. la-0.t two me.e.ting-0, i--6 he.lated .to the. kind--6 06 land
uJ.ie.--6 that e.xiAt in ea.ch he.Aide.ntial zone. and the. lot -0ize.. Thi--6 i--6
6oA i6 .the.he ahe. any change.--6 in lot --6ize ~e.quifte.me.n.t in the. me.dium
Oh high-den--6ity categohie--6, how many lot--6 would be. a 00 e.cte.d. He.
exphe--6-0ed the exten-0ive level o 0 e.66oht that would be.involve.din
obtaining that kind 06 inoOhma.tion. He. -0tate.d that one. thihd 06
the City ha-0 been completed in obtaining the 6ollowing in6ohma.tion:
1 I J.ithe.e.t addhe.--6--6 06 phope.h.ty
2) A.tfte.e..t name.
3) e.xac.t houAing .type.: --6ingle. 6amily, duplex, thiple.x,
6ouhplex, apa.htmen.t--6, condominium-0; and -60 ooh.th
4) numbeh 06 uni.t-0 in .that --6.thuctuhe.
5) cuhhent Land U-0e Element
6) cuhhe.n.t zoning
7) lot .6ize.
8) condition 06 .the. hou.6e.
9) ge.ne.hal ob--6e.hva.tion
Mh. Ca..6tane.da explained .that be.cau.6e. 06 changing de.mand.6 on the.
~ta66, the. .6uhve.y could not be. 6ini-0he.d. M-0. Re.ahdon-Chite.--6 i--6
the pe.h.6on he.--6pon-0ible. 60ft getting the. completed in6ohmation.
Comm. Pe.ihce a.6ke.d whethe.h thi--6 ha--6 been ente.he.d on the. machine..
Mh. Ca--6tane.da. he.plied in .the. ne.ga.tive.. That thiA i--6 --6till in --6Uhve.y .
.P.C.H. to .the. .6ou.the.hn City limit-0 ha--6 been completed.
tomm. Pe.ihce. aJ.ike.d whe..the.h thi--6 can be. put in the. machine..
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, OCTOBER 9, 1984
LAND USE ELEMENT REVISION (cont.)
Page 14
M-0. ReaAdon-CAite-0 Aeplied that th e -0ta66 i-0 con-0ultin9 with the
6iAm that i-0 doing the computeA -0y-0tem to -0ee what the capabilitie-0
aAe. She -0tated that it would AequiAe the completion 06 thi-0
Land U-0e SuAvey. Although, cuAAently money wa-0 not appAoved
in the Budget noA anotheA peh-0on to do that. She -0tated that
.one peA-0on could complete the he-0t on the -0uhvey, 6ull time, in
two to thAee month-0.
Comm. Compton a-0ked whetheh thi-0 type 06 -0uAvey needed to be taken
to 6ind out the acAeage peh zone.
MA. Ca-0taneda heplied in the negative.
Comm. Sheldon a-0ked i6 thehe i-0 a cho-0-0-check that could be made
that would cleahly i-0olate bootleg unit-0.
Mh. Ca-0taneda -0tated that that i-0 included ~n the column dealing
with genehal ob-0ehvation.
Comm. Peihce a-0ked whetheA the public could get a copy 06 the book.
M-0. ReaAdon-Chite-0 heplied th~t thehe i-0 a copy at the City Libhahy
at the heoehence de-0k.
Comm. Peihce a-0ked i6 they can be made available to the public,
po-0-0ibly on -0ale at the Planning Vepahtment 066ice 0 o4 a $1.00.
Comm. Compton que-0tioned the amount 06 $1.00, but he -0ugge-0ted
that it could be available on a couple day-0' notice with a call
to M-0. Reahdon-Chite-0.
M-0. Reahdon-Chite-0 -0tated that MA. Ca-0taneda indicated he could
p~ovide copie-0 at 6ive cent-0 a page.
Comm. Peihce -0tated that the plan i-0 to thy to get mohe public input
in the neah tehm on thi-0 i-0-0ue, get mohe copie-0 out to the public, and
he-0chedule thi-0.
Comm. Newton a-0ked whetheh mo-0t people know what a Land U-0e El~ment
i-0 otheh than the people who attend hegulahly. She exphe-0-0ed that
it -0hould be advehti-0ed, in connection, with -0oht 06 an inquihy.
Mh. Ca-0taneda a-0ked whetheA the item 06 a hecommended plan would be
the i-0-0ue on OctobeA 16.
Comm. Peihce heplied in the a 06ihmative.
Comm . S hel d on a-0ked wh e t heh th e -0ub-0e c ti o n-0 oo the document could
be taken o ne at a tim e . Ma y be 72 06 the m Oh 1/6 06 the do~ument
Oh 1 /6 o 0 the Land U-0 e Pla n .a nd t hen di -0c u-0-0 it individually, notic e
it i ndi vidually , public he aAi n g it in di v idually and maybe Whapping
u p with a co u ple -0 e -0 -0i o n ty i ng al l -0ix 06 tho -0 e togetheh.
..,
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, OCTOBER 9, 1984
LANV USE ELEMENT REVISION (cont.)
Page 7 5
Comm. Peince -0:ta:ted :that he hope.6 :that pe.nha.p-0 ne.x:t time. Mn. Ca6:ta.neda.
could 6pend all hi-0 :time on :the p4o c e66 06 :the cha.nge.,a.nd why it
i6 being changed, and t he 6:ta66 time lin e 06 how it will be changed
na.:then :than any 6peci 6ic t hi ng 6 a b o u t ch anging i:t i:t6e.l6 without
:the pnoce.dune. 06 cha nge . .To. com.e. u p wi t h a pf.'an 06 how :to get the.ne..
Then a public he.a.ni ng c a n be 6c he.dul e d 0nom :that.
Comm. Sheldon expne66ed hi6 conce.11.n on whe.11.e. to 6:ta.11.t, which
p11.oble.m 6hould be de.alt with 6i11.6t.
Comm. Compton 6:ta:te.d :that :the idea i6 to cnea.te 6ome. 6011.t 06 a time
line. Thi6 time line would be decided upon by the Commi66ion .
Comm. Pei4ce 6ta:ted that i t 6houl d be empha-0ized :that 6ome change.6
will be. made in :the Land U6e. Elem ent , but :that :they a~e not ea6:t
and eonc~e.:te.. They a.ne not compl etely 6ohmula:te d. That :the
public i6 being a6ked :to come 6on wa11.d wi th :theih 6ugge6:tion6 on
what :they would like :to 6ee ch~nged in :the Land U-0a Element.
M6. Reahdon-C11.i:te6 a6ked whe:the11. :thi6 public he.aning i6 being
continued Oc:tobe11. 16.
LORETO, MEXICO
Comm. Peince commented :that he had he.and :that :the El Phe.6ide.n:t e. i6
veny di-0appoin:tin9.
Wilma Bunt 6ta.:te.d that it wa6 ve11.y nice.
Comm. Compton 6ta.:te.d :that he had al6o he.and that i:t Wa6 ve.hy nice.
Comm. Sheldon moved to adjounn a:t 10:20 P.M. Seconded by
Comm. Peince.
CERTIFICATION
I he.he.by ce.11.:ti6y :that :the 6011.e.going minu:te.6 ane. a tnue. and complete.
11.e.co11.d 06 :the action :taken by :the Planning Commi66ion o 0 He.hmo6a. Beach
at :the.ih 11.e.g u a11.ly 6 che.dule.d meeting o 6 Octa e h 9, 1984.
Cha.ill.man