HomeMy WebLinkAboutPC_Minutes_69.09.03MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, HELD IN THE
COUNCIL CHAMBERS, CITY HALL, HERMOSA BEACH, ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTUM 39
1969, AT 8:oo P.M.
ROLL CALL - Present: Comm. Collis, Himmel, Noble
Chairman Boice
Absent: Comm. Armer, Hamilton, Stabler
Approval of the minutes from the regular meeting of August 18, 1969, as
submitted.
Motion made by Comm. Himmel, seconded by Comm. Noble, to approve Resolu-
tions P.C. 154�747, 748 and 749. Motion carried unanimously.
ELECTION OF OFFICERS
Chairman Boice stated that the election of officers will be mandatory at
the next regular meeting of the Planning Commission and suggested that
all Comm. be present.
ZONE CHANGE z-69-7
Request of V.E. Howard, Allan Juckes, et al, for a change of land use zone
from C-2 to R-3 on lots 1 through 12 of Block 33, 1st Addition to Hermosa
Beach, between 14th and 16th Streets.
The City Planner stated that this is a request initiated by the property
owners located between 14+h and 16th Streets, a block currently zoned C-2
general com:aercial. The applicants are requesting that this portion of
the block be changed from C-2 to R-3 multi -family residential. Mr.
Crawford stated that it was the staff's recommendation that of all the
zone classifications available, the multi -residential would be the high-
est and best zone classification for this property.
Public hearing opened at 8:09 P.M.
Chairman Boice asked Mr. Juckes what their intentions were regarding the
lots. Mr. Juckes replied that they intended to develop the lots with a
13 unit apartment house.
Chairman Boice, taking note to a problem of entrance to the property,
asked Mr. Juckes for their Abeess plans. Mr. Juckes replied that they
plan to come in from 141m Street rather than Hermosa Avenue.
Mr. Michael Gray, owner of Lot 49 commonly known as 1430 Hermosa Avenue,
stated that he objected to the zone change request because he felt that
C-2 is better for property owners and for the City. Since there is a com-
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mercial block already filled in directly,across the street, the City could
expand the business area and the downtown area at any time. Mr. Gray
stated that he would rather put a commercial building there than another
apartment unit.
Chairman Boice asked Mr. Gray how many units he had there now and if it
was income producing property. Mr. Gray replied that he had a single unit
in the back and a smaller unit underneath and that this unit was income
producing.
Public hearing closed at 8:13 P.M.
Comm. Noble felt that in considering a change of zone in this area, the
Comm. should maintain the basic fundamentals of planning, accomplishing
this by considering a change to C-1 which would give R-3 utility to devel-
opers who wanted it; leaving commercial possibilities to people like Mr.
Gray, and yet establishing a buffer area between the C-2 and R-3 zones.
Chairman Boice stated that under C-1 the building of units or stores would
be permitted. He also stated that he would like to see it all commercial
or all R=3.
Comm. Collis felt that there is an oversupply of commercial in that area
and in order for commercial to be successful, off-street parking will have
to be provided, but felt it would not be economically feasible to do so
because of the topography of the area.
Comm. Collis moved to approve the changing of the C-2 zone to an R 3 zone.
Motion later withdrawn.
Conn. Noble stated that because of other entities that might be involved
in the basic planning concepts, he felt that the Comm. should go into a
study session before voting on the proposal.
Motion :wade by Comm. Noble, seconded by Comm. Himmel, to postpone Zone
Change Z-69-7 for further study until the next meeting, September 15, 1969.
AYES: Comm. Collis, Himmel, Noble, Chairman Boice
NOES: None
CflNlll' oNAL QSE c-69-1
Request of South Bay Free Clinic to operate a medieal and psychological
clinic at lot 2, block B, Redondo -Hermosa tract (809 Pacific Coast High-
way).
The City Planner stated that this request is a follow-up of a request made
to the Planning Commission at the last hearing for a determination of the
proper zone for use not listed in the Ordinance. At that time, the Planning
Commission determined that the Pree Clinic type of use properly belonged
in the C-3 zone and properly should be allowed only under a conditional
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use permit. This is in general concurrence with our requirements for
hospitals and medical clinics, etc. The C-3 zone is generally located
along Pacific Coast Highway and East Pier Avenue. 809 Pacific Coast
Highway is zoned C-3; however, property adjacent to and behind the use
is zoned R-2 with a C potential. The site itself is a two story store
building with residences above. The property faces on Pacific Coast
Highway and has a pedestrian access way on the north and the south. It
has a rear yard which the applicants propose to use for off-street park-
ing. The access to the parking lot is from 8m Street by way of an
unimproved driveway. The site itself is not adequate for this kind of
use if it becomes a success. At the previous meeting, the applicants
stated that they expected most of their traffic to be pedestrian. Their
customers would have to walk a great distance or hitchhike, which is
already a problem to the City.
Public hearing opened at 8323 P.M.
Noel Palm, 1827 9th Street, Manhattan Beach, chairman of the board for the
South Bay Free Clinic, presented the following information to the Planning
Commission:
A. Background
1. Incorporated under laws of the State
2. Made application for a tax exempt status, non-profit
3. Action initiated by citizens of South Bay
a. Participating in comrmmity-action training
program
b. Goal of program is to teach citizens to
recognize and analyze local community problems
c. "Free Clinic" concept, most feasible project
B. Operation
1. Licensed by State as acute outpatient clinic
a. Will not treat anyone requiring inpatient status
(drug withdrawal, etc.)
b. It will be a diagnostic and referral agency
2. Also offer psychological counseling
3. Proposed hours are from 6:00 - 9:00 P.M.
4. Register only the number of patients the staff is capable
of treating (15-25)
a. Patients will remain in waiting room until treated
and then depart.
b. limited number and hours of operation should mean
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no increase to the parking problems of area.
Rick's Surfboard Shop has agreed to let our
staff use their parking lot
5. Staff personnel on duty are as follows: an admitting
clerk, a clerk typist, Clinic Adminstrator, two medical
doctors, two nurses, a lab technician, a pharmacist, and
a psychologist
C. The Deed
1. Clinics in Venice, Long Beach, East Los Angeles, Pasadena
and Los Angeles (Fairfax) and experience of clinics is
that drug related problems make up a'good portion of their
work
2. Presented statistics showing drug problem, major problem
in South Bay area
Kelly Hodel of the Fairfax Free Clinic stated that there have been two deaths
in the last two years. One death occurred because a 15 year old took an
overdose of pills in the South Bay and feared going to Harbor General and
by the time he got to Fairfax, 45 minutes away, he had died. For this
reason alone he is out in the communities trying to establish more clinics.
Jerry Evans, attorney for the Free Clinic, kill So. Pacific Coast Highway
(business address), Redondo Beach, stated that the primary concern of the
Planning Commission was to wake sure the use does not in any way tear down
the existing commercial in that area in regards to congestion, traffic and
general welfare. He felt that the clinic activity would not be incompatible
to type of activity taking place during the evenings of clinical operation.
Palmer White, 545 lst Street, Manhattan Beach, Resident Doctor at Harbor
General, stated that the Clinic will be diagnostic and referral, anything
of a major nature will be referred to Harbor General. The Clinic will
operate with topical medications, basically ointments for minor infections
and abrasions, to cleanse and dress minor wounds, and no minor surgery
such as suturing. In the area of venereal disease, the Clinic will be
equipped to give oral medications not injections because return of the
patient can not be guaranteed.
Chairman Boice asked Dr. White if narcotics would be dispensed. Dr. White
replied that the Clinic will not have the capability to dispense narcotics.
Chairman Boice asked if narcotics were dispensed at the Fairfax Clinic.
Mr. Hodel::replied that the Fairfax pharmacy is classified as a doctors
dispensary and dangerous drugs are not allowed in the clinic.
Donna Boyd, 775 8th Street, Hermosa Beach, stated that it is about time
that Hermosa Beach start carrying its load and responsibility and take
it off the shoulders of the neighboring cities. She also stated that there
is usually one or two vehicles parked on the east side of Pacific Coast
Highway during the evening hours.
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Bettie Corazza, 805 Pacific Coast Highway, Hermosa Beach, an employee of
the L.A. Probation office, stated that communities can not reject young
people as well as older people. We have to live together, older people
have a responsibility to these youngsters.
Richard Reznichek, 414 Strand, Manhattan Beach, Resident Doctor in Urology
at Harbor General, stated that he spends part of each week at the V.D.
Clinic in Torrance and is greatly aware of the V.D. problem in L.A. County.
There are 3,000 reported new cases of V.D. each month in L.A. County and
many go unreported. The Torrance Clinic has discovered that the lack of
transportation hinders many from coming from the South Bay area.
Chairman Boice asked Dr. Reznichek why couldn't treatment be done in con-
junetion with St. Michael's Hospital. Dr. Reznichek replied that it was
difficult to get this particular age group to any hospital or County
institution, and that they are trying to reach these people on a level that
they will accept our care, diagnosis and treatment.
Comm. Collis asked why did this young age group prefer not to go to already
existing clinics for treatment. Besides distance what other reasons are
there? Dr. Reznichek replied that it has been difficult to get these
people to the clinics because the people manning the clinics and their
approach to the patient was not acceptable to the age group and the type
of individual looking for treatment. Success in treating these people
has been shown at the Fairfax Clinic and L.A. County has begun to change
their clinics. For instance, the Torrance Clinic is now open during more
parts of the week.
Kathy Schwent, 818 18a Court, Hermosa Beach, stated that as a teacher she
has been involved in sex education and that the prevailing attitude still
among educators is that V.D. is"social disease, but an embarrassing topic
as well. Therefore, the children grow up feeling guilty in contracting
the disease; don't know who to turn to; and to report to some State in-
stitution makes them frightened. The reason for the success of the Fair-
fax Clinic is because it is a place kids can go to get positive treatment.
She felt that the prevailing attitude of the citizens of Hermosa Beach
has been to eliminate the undesirables. It is time that the City and
its citizens begin to work for something rather than against.
Pat Kelley, 710 80 Street, Hermosa Beach, stated that he is not against
the clinic idea but that there is a definite parking problem on 8* Street.
Guests are required to park on Pacific Coast Highway because of the lack
of adequate parking.
Lonnie Westmoreland, 27600 Tarrasa Drive, San Pedro, owner of 715 8t' Street
(4 units), stated that he bought the units as income producing property;
however, due to the condition of the neighborhood, plus the parking on
8* Street, the income from it just about meets the payments. He felt
that the proposed use further decreases the property value.
John Hales, 624 803 Place, Hermosa Beach, stated that he has sympathy with
the program as outlined but questioned the methods of operation of a pri-
vate organization. For long range success, Mr. Hales believes that the
clinic will have to be County sponsored, operated and Handed. His ob-
jections to the proposed use, based from a planning viewpoint, are as
follows:
1. Location and building are not suitable
2. Operation in conflict with adjoining businesses and residential
areas
a. Types of people desiring such services is such that they
would discourage businesses and developers in the south
portion of town
b. Hours of operation conflicting with nighttime needs of
residents
c. Proposed clinic and traffic would require police patrol
of area, at additional expense to City
d. Lacking off-street parking
e. Proposed use and adjacent liquor business incompatible
f. Public image of City would be lessened by attracting
more undesirables to area
g. Hippie loiters at any hour would be detrimental to school
children who pass there
h. Police report should be prepared before granting a con-
ditional use petit.
Beatrice Butlers, 730 81h Place, Hermosa Beach, stated that the parking is
inadequate and quests have to park on Pacific Coast Highway.
Gary Weiters, 725 91h Street, Hermosa Beach, stated that the area was ob-
jectionable because minors play in the streets during the evening hours
and would have a tendency to hang around 809 Pacific Coast Highway. He
felt that this type of use should be nearer a hospital.
Sybil Harris, 647 9th Street, Hermosa Beach, owner of 636 9+h Street, stated
that parking is very difficult already and accidents have occurred because
of the lack of proper parking spaces and also the use would be detrimental
to children in the area.
Wayne Cruson, representing G. B. Imports, 729 Pacific Coast Highway, Hermosa
Beach, stated that the Odyssey, previous business located at 729 Pacific
Coast Highway, attracted same type of undesirables. Majority of people
endorsing the clinic live in Manhattan Beach, why hasn't a location been
found there? Since 15-25 people are expected to be treated nightly, the
building is too small to accommodate them all, thereby creating a congestion
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outside. If people haven't gone to a hospital for treatment, why will they
go now at the suggestion of the clinic?'
Del Andrews, 630 Porter Lane, Hermosa Beach, stated that the City has built-
in problems already, stores and substandard housing attracting hippie types.
He felt the proposed use would create more police problems and be another
step backward for Hermosa Beach.
Roy Chapwood, 636 9* Street, Hermosa Beach, stated that he opposes the
proposed use because it borders a residential area. The appearance of
the building leaves a bad impression upon the area.
John B. Schmolle, 931 Montgomer7 Drive, Hermosa Beach, stated that the
conditional use permit should be denied because of the proximity to schools
and the cost to the City because additional police patrolling will be
needed because of the type of patients treated. He further stated that
they should go to already existing clinics.
Public hearing closed at 9;30 P.M.
Chairman Boice stated that he felt the clinic was useful in that it gives
them a chance to talk to the kids to get theta to a hospital. Also, having
children exposed to such a clinic would prepare them to the "world" so
that it might not happen to them. The parking is substandard, it is on
the highway, and the parking lot in back of the building is unlit; there-
fore, he is opposed to the proposed use.
Comm. Noble stated that the proximity to public transportation was vital.
This location for this particular use would not be as advantageous as it
would elsewhere.
Chairman Boice said that he felt everyone on the Planning Commission realized
the definite need for this type of operation. But this particular location
has many things against it and would compound already existing problems.
Comm. Collis asked Mr. Hodel if they had received similar reactions from
the Fairfax Clinic community area? Mr. Hodel replied that at first the
reaction was mixed. Now various agencies refer drug cases to them and
even the citizens now take an active interest in the clinic.
Comm. Himmel stated that the Planning Commission has already made a
determination that the C-3 zone is the proper zone for this use. Perhaps
there might have been another location, better parking, etc., but because
the need of helping these kids is so great the clinic should be granted
a conditional use permit, subject to an early review.
Motion made by Comm. Himmel, seconded by Comm. Noble, to approve the re-
quest of the Free Clinic to operate at 809 Pacific Coast Highway, subject
to operating hours as specified in their application and subject to a
review by the Planning Commission in a 6 month period.
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AYES: Comm. Himmel
NOES: Comm. Collis, Noble, Chairman Boice
Chairman Boice stated that the location was the only reason why he voted
against the proposed use.
Motion made by Comm. Noble, seconded by Comm. Collis, to adopt Resolution
P.C. 154-750, denying the request for a conditional use permit by the South
Bay Pree Clinic to be operated at 809 Pacific Coast Highway. It has been
determined by the Planning Commission that such location would be inade-
quate, incomplete and incomparable to other facilities in the surrounding
areas. The wain determination which influenced the Commission was the
lack of proper public transportation and insufficient parking.
AYES: Comm. Collis, Noble, Chairman Boice
NOES: Comm. Himmel
Comm. Himmel stated that he agreed with the other Comm. that the parking
at proposed location was probably inadequate to the long range needs for
the use. He felt, however, the immediate need of the community is such
that approval is indicated at this time.
CONDITIONAL USE C-59-i8
Request of Prime Wright to operate a retail business making and selling
canvas and acrylic boat accessories in a C-1 zone (30 Hermosa Avenue).
The City Planner stated that Mr. Wright planned to make boat covers, cushions,
canvas, and acrylic boat accessories to be sold at retail. Property is
located between Lyndon and let Street on Hermosa Avenue. That if the
application is approved, it should be subject to the conditions of no out-
side storage and for a limited period.
Public hearing opened at 9:59 P.M.
Prime Wright, 3613 Bayview Drive, Manhattan Beach, stated that there was
no off-street parking, just meter parking.
Comm* Noble asked how many employees would Mr. Wright have. Mr. Wright
replied that he will be the only employee, engaged in a custom! -made,
retail business. Also, part of the work like the fitting will have to
be done aboard the boat.
Comm. Himmel asked Mr. Wright what was the nature of the acrylic accesso-
ries. Mr. Wright replied it was a type of material, canvas, lightgeight
and durable.
Coma. Collis asked Mr. Wright to give an estimate of how many people will
be coming into the store. Mr. Wright replied that parking will not be
a problem since he planned on advertising in the phone book and at the
marinas and in order to sell custom-made items, Mr. Wright said he must
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go to the boat and take measurements. Ready made items like duffel bags,
helm covers, etc. would be sold at the store. However, there should never
be more than 2 or 3 people in at one time.
Chairman Boice felt that he should not be limited to the number of employ-
ees working for him. Also, he asked Mr. Wright what were going to be his
hours of operation. Mr. Wright stated his hours would be from 10:00 A.M.
to 6:00 P.M., Tuesday through Saturday.
The City Planner stated that since the building is a non -conforming build-
ing, a normal retail use would be allowed in this building without any
additional parking.
Public hearing closed at 10:05 P.M.
Motion made by Comm. Noble, seconded by Comm, Himmel, to grant the application,
subject to conditions.
AYES: Comm. Collis, Himmel, Noble, Chairman Boice
NOES: None
Motion made by Comm. Noble, seconded by Comm. Collis, to adopt Resolution
P.C. 154-751 granting the conditional use permit to Prime Wright to operate
a retail business, making and selling of canvas, acrylic boat accessories
at 30 Hermosa Avenue, subject to the conditions that there be no outside
display or storage and subject to review in one year. It has been deter-
mined by the Planning Commission that such a use would not be materially
detrimental to the surrounding areas and would in no way impair the
neighborhood.
AYES: Comm. Collis, Himmel, Noble, Chairman Boice
NOES: None
ZONE CHANGE Z-6
Proposed change of zone from R-P to R+P with C-2 potential on the block
east of Prospect Avenue between 24* Street and Artesia Boulevard.
(Requested re -hearing by City Council).
The City Planner stated that the City Council sent the zone change back
to the Planning Commission because it felt that the opponents to the
change should be given a full hearing which had inadvertently been denied
them.
A letter was received from Mrs. Margaret Boatwright stating that the owns
3 houses on 21st Street and hopes it is left as it now stands as a change
would bring many problems.
Ken Allen, 1120 24* Street, Hermosa Beach; Glenn Clark, 1246 241h Street,
Hermosa Beach; Bob Vitale, 1212 24t+ Street, Hermosa Beach; stated that they
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felt the C-2 zone was detrimental to residential land abutting commercial
property without something being done to protect them. They felt that
the Artesia frontage should be C-2. If the Planning Commission is going
to go C-2 potential then R-P should be directly across the street so that
the property owners are not bottlenecked if we want to sell our property.
Motion made by Comm. Noble, seconded by Chairman Boice, to hold a public
hearing to consider changing the zone on the south side of 24* Street at
our October 6, 1969, meeting.
Motion made by Comm. Noble, seconded by Chairman Boice, that the zone
stay C-2 potential and that the Planning Commission go into a study session
for the rezone to R-P potential on the south side of 24"h Street. Unanimous-
ly carried.
Mr. Crawford will be attending the conference and will present a detailed
report to the Planning Commission.
SOiTHERN. CALIFORNIA PLANNING CONGRESS MEETING. SEPTEMBER llt'
The Congress will be held in Long Beach this month for any Comm. who is
interested.
UNDERGROUND UTILITIES ADVISORY COMMITTEE APPOINT!4ENT
Chairman Boice appointed Coma. Collis as Underground Utilities Advisory
Corsni.ttee member.
LONG RANGE PLANNING
Public hearing to amend Sections 600, 606, 607, and 800-C of Ordinance
N.S. 154, as amended, to provide for a greater variety of development
standards in the R-3 zone and to make C-3 zone conform to General Plan
provisions, to be continued to next meeting, September 15, 1969.
Consideration of Section 600-Use Permitted, continued to next meeting,
September 15, 1969.
Discussion of proposed Zoning Ordinance amendments concerning R-3 uses
and development standards, continued to next meeting, September 15, 1969.
Proposed amendment to C.Z.O. N.S. 154 to revise application of Section
1104 relating to use of properties with potential zone classifications,
continued to next meeting, September 15, 1969.
MISCELLANEOUS
Proposed ordinance amending Article 14 to include references to B.Z.A.,
continued to next meeting, September 15, 1969.
Appointment of committees, continued to next meeting, September 15, 1969.
Meeting adjourned at 10.40 P.M.
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