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19699 AT 7230 P..•L
"•IE IrNG CA'LLM TO OR= AT 7135 P.iT, BY CiTAMM M E
ROTS. CALL - Presents Comm. Collie, 1-Ulfint;er, ,Tatters, Chairmw Noble
Absents Comm,. Hoice, Himmel* Stabler
,.bt:Lm made by Coen. Collis, seconded. by Co=. hlfingar, to approve
the mutes from the regular meeting of December 1, 1969, as submitted.
'_Potion carried unanimously.
3otion made by Cann. Collis, seconded. by Cam, :in1 a,;er, to approve
resolutions P.C. 154•758 and 759. lotion carried unanimously.
nadirs. PtP ,A.r ;"21
Request for reoonsi derati.on by Kwland Develowent Caapwr (part of
Chug* of Zone Recast "Z-69�) on property located norftmeterly of
the -intersection of Valley Drive and 2nd Strut (continued from tJfl ca-
ber 17, December 1, 1969).
The City Planner stated that a letter was received from Richard L onard
of ,te:nlwad Development Coupany statue that they request an extm aiam
until the meeting of January 5, 1970.
Caws. Collis stated that this was the third scheduled public hearing
and that if Iienland is unable to present their plans at January
weeting, than they should withdrsw their application until ready for
presentation.
,.btion made: by Comas. Collis, seocnded by Comeg, : ]ulfirigerr, to contfme
the mblic hearing to the nwct ragu1ar meeting, Jwma y S, 19701 and
that, if the Applicants are not ready with their presentation, tww
withdrsw their application add resubmit it to the Plami ng Cani.ssion
when ready.
AYM Comm. Collis, 'Ulf`inger, Tlatters, Chairman rdoble
aJT.M s ?Tone
CQA;IG'E OP Zt N32 Rr• MT Z-62
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Request,, initiated bV City Council, for change of lamed use zone clatss-
ificati.ong from C-2 with R-3 Potential to R-3 multiple family on 30tn
3-12, block 33, Hermcaea Beach tract, lacated an the east side of Iierwas
Avenue between 10 and 3.6" Streets (continued frcm December 1.1, 1969).
The City Plwmr stated that the City has aaalrapdy indicated that a
precise plan is necessary for & ahe ngs of torte classification from C-2
with -3 Potential to R-3.
Public hearing orAned At 7 t 246 P J1,
De J. Donahue, 164o straard, Hermosa Beach, owner of lot 69 stated that
he favors progress within Hermosa Beach; however, he feels that rules
int*rkded to be effective, too maw tunas, hinder progresa, 1 r.
Donahue furt-ier stated that if all the land in the block were vatcaant,
than the precise plan, a v presented, would have teach inrit; however,
there is only one vacant lot, which is his, and the minder of the
block will provably be around for 19-25 years, and by that time, the
precise plan, along with a 'lsditerranaam atmosphere, will be outdated,
rTry Donahue read through the list of devel.opmmt standards and stated
that he could find no quarrel with item 19 2, 3, 7, 8 uld 10, lbworar,
77r, Donahue objected to the following i.tma s
4a "?goofs -- sha11 be mmeard, hip or gable and, sh& 1 bo
designed to harmonize with other apartment structures
.." I -Ire Donahue objected to a control of any type.
5. "Facades -- building facades or frmtts shall strivs to
aaeh i.eve s "NditerraneaQn atmosphera,..." He felt that
when the block is ready to be developed., in 20-25 years q
these styles Haight be Obsolete.
6. "Tzndacaping -- Landscaping should reflect a "gwdah"
or courtyard atmosphere." Again, 110. Donahue felt this
particular ata wsphare would be outmoded.
6sa "(Altemaate) Landscaping -- as landscaping easaraaent over
the front yard should be granted to the City if a pra-
manaade walk davelopramt is approved by the City Coun-
cilo,." Mr. Donahue objected to the "promenade" idea aid
questioned its practiosii.ty,
10. "Special lishting district -- the Choy away, as part of
the promenade developm*nt,.,arstablish a vas or decorative
electric lighting district." 1r, Donahue's objection
to item 10 was its conneotion to the "Pro&� adc" idea.
TbM. Una TAftaan, 150 IIermosa ave=e, HOrmosa Beach, crvnor of lots
8 and 9, stated that she protests the whole idea; of a "nFaperblocko"
She further added that she favors a variety of development.
Conn. Collis asked whether _•1rs. TA*m n had discussed the precise plan
with any architect or builder. Mrs., Lehman replied that she had not
but that she has been involved in art professimmally for a nwnber of
yearn and can envision the "superblook" concept as most unpractical.
Comm. Collis stated that he did not feel that any architect or build-
er would feel restricted by the proposed precise plan, that in OxwWe
and VenUixa Counties, cities are leaning toward more of VlAs type of
control.
Chaairm n Noble stated that rather than a restriction, the standards
are an incentive for people to build more tban the ordiwu7 type
building.
Mrs. Donahue, 1640 Strand, Hermosa Beaoh, stated that she wants no part
of the I'mmerblock" idea; she detests :•iediterrsnean style howee; and
she favors straight R-3.
i•?r. Insoho, 305 So. Poinsettaa, :Ianhattan Pea cho stated that he did not
feel that the term "Mediterranean" was clearly defined and that going
to court would be the only way to detoradne the reed, Further, he
did not belies that an arbitary building inspector should be the cage
to decide what is 13ditarmean or not. rW. macho stated that if the
City v.-&nted to not up a board to approve the architectural style, it
should appoint qualified architects rather than businessmene Also, the
board should study the entire area not just one section in order to
assure equal treatmmt.
Public hesrina closed at 8a24 P.2.
Comm., Collis stated that item 4 (roofs) was really not restrictive be-
cause, technically, a mansard roof is a flat roof, with a decorative
trim.
Comm, tblfinger stated that item 5 (facades) qua not forcing people to
build 1"Iediterranse n because the text reads, "ehall strive to achieve
a Nediterranean a'tnosphere."
Chairman !Joble stated that the purpose of the precise plan is to szoist
In assuring a better type of development, in a more delu..e fashion,
in order to attract a different caliber of people to the City. He
further stated that he did not feel that any of the proposed standards
%mul.d impede anyone wishing to build.
Com. Waetters wondered Whether an owner could appeal In the case where
a building inspector claims a -violation of Uie precise plan exists.
:Ir. Crawford stated that if an owner wished to vary froze the stmutaxds,
then they could apply to the City for a variance. TI*mmr, if an owner
follows the precise plan, then a Building Permit would be strtomatioally
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issued, without referral to arW body.
'Ir. Crawford stated that he felt ite= 61, 6a and 10 could be dropped
without harrying the fat -are development of the block, since if the City
later wants to assist the owners by developing a proms or extra
wide sidewalk with landacaxxLg, it has the m-iollaAery to do no.
Flotion made by Comm. Collis, seconded by Comm. Z:ratters, to adopt Precise
Plan '22 and forward a r000s�nndation to approves the zone change sub-
ject to it to the City Council.
AYM4 t Comua. Collis, 'AUfinger, Wattere, Chairman Moble
!10ES! ".lone
;•lotion made by Conran. Collis, seconded by Coisa. !Ulfinger, to adopt Res-
olution P.C. 154-760, adopting Precise Plan `22, with the elimination
of items 69 6a and 10 on the basis that it has been deUrmined that if
the zone be changed to R-3 at this time, it not be subject to Precise
Pfau "22 for the 1400-15W block of Ilermosa Aveme; that the Con& finds
it expedient to adopt the Precise Plan in the best interest of the
comismity; that the Planning Commission does not find any item in the
Precise Plan capricious or liable to cause undue hardship; that the
Precise Plan allows a great flexibility in development.
AYES i Comm. Collis, 1,h1finger, Chairman Noble
NODSt 11one
CC3i31]1'I ULUAL USE MUT C-60m?0
Request of Jack Bliss and Donald Iose for a Conditional Use Permit to
sell alcoholic beverages and provide entertairament on lots 5 and. 6 of
block 44, IIeriaosa Beach tract, located at 1332 Strand (continued from
Deceauber 1, 1969).
The City Plarmer indicated that this was a continued hearing; that
Comm. tatters had familiarized himself with the proceedings of the
previous meetings; that all Cownissionera had personally viewed the
site and the surrounding uses. Its then read the Police Report to the
Plwwi.rzg Comaission, recoirt-exading denial and stating that the premises
is new and unused, so experience is non-existent; area itself is a police
problem and the police depaxtmmt can see no change in the situation;
and the concern of the police dea-�a-tnert is that additional beer licenses
in a highly concentrated recreational area create police problems.
Public hearing; opened at 0t56 P.:,i.
Donald Lee, 1530 Strand, Hermosa Beach, applicant, presented interior
layout plane to the Planning Commission; stated that "sound deadening"
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materials were to be died to the construction j acid that tbA mximm
proposed seating Would be abcut 100-150 parzaas.
jack Blisa, 23525 Arlington Ave, Torrancel applicant, statedy as
a rebuttal tQ the police Ciidef Ile report, `fit the mereafton deparbunt
had initiated a teemge :3anee prvgr&m� under !b% Bliss' direotim, and
the police reacted negatively to the PrOgr" but the program was highly
successful anyway l thzt. their proposed use wo%M cause no aidditiomal
problem becaeaae the amber of beer bar* =A €mrimJ-aal acts have been
on • he dam trend in the City; and that the esidencen a►.trrounding the
use were actuaa.ay in a comercial sane.
Cam* Waiters questioned whether the a-vstrow-% would be adequate for
100-150 people. :Ir. Lae replied that at the proment, they wore not but,
if the application were approved, then the roams would be enlarged to
meet the code.
Comma Vattern wandered what kind of food the appli.cante prvpomsd to serraa
I•h1N Lee replied that the ADC board does not allow o for this type
of use, therefore, cold sandwiah es will be zarved.
Comm, Wattere asked what was meant by the to -,,gm "young adults Would be
attraloted to this type of an establishmmt." Ur* Lee replied that their
use hopes to cater to anyone 21 or over; howavvrs the average age will
probably be 23 gears.
Public hearing closed at 907 P.I-L
Ch&:Lrman Noble felt that, at this times in view of the surrounding publio
and private uses, and taking; the Police Report into accounts the pro-
posed use would be Incompatible to the area.
Cons, Watters wondered whether tho ADC liceme wan non-trawferable
or not. The City Planner stated that once the license is issued, unless
revoked by ABC, the license could be sold at any time to anyone accept-
able to ADC.
Comm. Collis stated that he was in agremen't with CWzmm Noble and
felt the reuest mat be considered in context of the area and its
problems but that should the Planning CondAsfnn deny the aWliaation,
It would not be a reflection upon the applioants axed that they' gave an
excellent presentation.
Cams. Watters stated that, according to futur" developrAnt plans, in
five years this use would not be acceptable in this area but felt that
as an interim use, it might be acceptable. Ile further armed that he
felt the Strand is well policed at this time since the police problem
ax-a already concentrated in the area. Comm. Viatters' concern, at pres-
ent, was the transferal of the ABC license and the conditim al use
permit, since he feared the use might halt other developments in -the
area.
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Comm. '_ul finger stated that he could not see how the issuance of a ooaa-
ditioml use permit for this use would help tho City and that, in his
opinion, a. beer bar in the area would hinder other . Lta-1l commraial
dwmlorpnmit a.
'7otien made by Comm. Wattere, seconded by Coma, '.UIfinger, to sppm e
Conditional Use Permit C-69-209 with the stipulation that the cmdi.tt-LOM1
use permit be non -transferable.
AYES* Cow- Watterl
jjoESt Comm. Collis, TUl.finger, Chairmn Noble
Motion made by Comma. Collis, seconded by Conn.Wfinger, adopting Res-
olution P.C. 154-761, derqing Conditional Use Poxmit C-696-20. It hss
been determined by the Planning Commission that, the use is inaoampatiblo,
at this loostion, at this time; thew the Comi.anion "reed with the
Polioe Report that the use would create a probability of increased police
problems, which would overtax the citizens and the police deparbnent.
AMMs Comm. Collis, 22-Ul.finger, Wattaxa, Chairmn Noble
HO SS Hone
CofJDT'iI4�„ m USF, MI1 _ §km
Request of Vasek Polak for a Conditional Use Permit to conduct used oar
sales from an open air lot, on lots 1249 125, 126 and 127 of Southern
California Convention Ball and AiaP. e -Par': •traot, locate. at 3009 Pacific
Coast High%W (new hearing)
The City Planer read the staff'& amyei& to the Plioning Conmdssi3n.
A wwwati.on is as follcrp's:
A. ReVd.rsd considerations
1. hours of operation - 1000 a.m. to 9800 p.m.
20 Distanoa frogs residential use
3. Possible noise, awke, light, eta,
4. Off-stxvet parking - none on jarerrdsert
5• HwuLrd from co-agragation of Bare - none apparent
6. Precautions Ukan to agom-a cordpatibilitsy with &vAnrovwding
auras
7. Site of streets servicing wtea
Ba Conditions placed by Plwudmg Comudesion on other auto sales lots
1. ITo outside speakers or amplified telephone bells
2. NO loud or obnoxious noise oom frr= the pr ad.ses
3. Hours of operation not to exceed 9100 p.m.
4, landscaping be provided along street Z=tage
5• Lights be so ohi gilded as not to 2al.l directly on. resi-
dential property
6, All buildinm h ,7z� solid fow,-de tim
7, All signs conform to sign veg l.atiOW- 3o flags or
pwmants allowed.
,.looting recessed at 9s32 P."I,
looting r41"nmT.ex at 907 37 P.. L
Va mck Polak, 3009 Pacific Coast FI.Ww&y, How w a Beach, applicant, stated
that he would do everything necessary to please the City and the citizens.
Paul Peaaook, owner of adjacent apart units, stated that his ttanmts
are bothered by the auto fume and hoped a high Wall would be erected.
Ira Crawford sttwtoed that a 6 toot solid wall was the madam restriction.
like Ron*no, TM Longfellow, Hermosa Beach, aitatead that the bright arc
lights shining into his home was the biggest problem and wished to see
the applicant shield or change them; that he hoped the telephMe bells
and call system previously used on this lot could be quieted{ and that,
further, his concern was for the saturation of vehicles in the area.
11r. William Humphries, 723 %,gfellow, Her.Lnosa Be , stated that he
also hoped that the lights would be shielded; that the area, has became
a raceway with oustomers driving the aars ayv and the block and wondered
If it would be possible to install. a 4-way sign at Longfellov and
Tennyson Place.
Public hearing closed at 9s54 P.sI,
Comm. Collis wondered whether a business could operate without the proper
restroom facilities. :•1r. Creuford stated that ewry business has to com-
ply to code and that the building and fire departments must clear the
buildings before the issuances of their business license.
",•lotion wMa by Comm. Collis, asowded ty Ccn& 1Axl.finger, to approve
the application.
-� AYE -St Cogan. Collis, >•iiulfinger, WatteraF, Chaii -n= Noble
I•IOES % None
; Iotion made by Comu Collis,, seconded 'of Comm, to adopt Ree-
,olution P.C. 154-762, granting a conditional use poz7a t, subject to the
conditions, 1 through 7. reoommended by the staff; that the hours of
operation will be from SStOD a.m. to 900 p.m.; that a 6 foot masonry
wall be erected on the westerly side of the property; and that the public
works de-trnt seriously consider the erection of a 4-way stop sign
FM
at Laneellow and meson St"etz c It -smo the finding of the Plaa-
nIM Commi.ssicu that4 s%eaject to tha above ao tI:,Am8,3 the business im
compatible with the .area.
AYES: Cram. Collis, Ailftug0r� Waft t0ls a ChAirmrr" %'Dble
NOES: None
W- Lz -( 10
& CC ndi.ti(n I Uoa Powdt t3sued to ai OV9 T'MUi t O 00nduct a take-
out food business at 201. Hermga p-v mIa. Approvad ime 16, 1969, sub-
ject to review in 6 mnths.
mr. Crawford stated that no particular preblems ksva ocat:rrad during
Usir first 6 mmthe of operation and that thg stmf'f felt that the
conditional use permit could be extended.
Tlotion made by Coen. rk1finger, seconded by Cede. Watterse to extwxd
the conditional use permit men year frm this date.
AYES: Casa. Collis, Itafingere Ifv i ers ® Chai.::-&i;u Noble
Nam: None
I:gSCUI NEOUS
Review of proposed ordin=aa to mr��€ Sic Sara 1104 (Potential ?sae)
of City Zonis Or±1na ice N.S. 1.54. (Relax vpd bask by Ci%,,y Come -il for
fW-ther study relative 'em Plmmad To be pla0ed an
the next ragular matinge Jar-W-v7 5, 1970.
Proposed urdirmeee to 0regte plfflmn Ki rfevel.op: mt IY1-strict sera present
daveloament stan,-L%r& &- a t00 rigid 0r fTk deT at0 (00ntimed frm
D"embar l i, 1969) . Cojtinued o the ne xt reegaIsr vt4ot .ngv JaUwLrY S.
1970.
Proposed ordimiae requiring a► Condit' oAalIlse P�:-nntt for wn bertnimrtt
In the Cm2 and 0~3 zones. Can W=ed to the neext regular mceting, Jan-
uary 5, 1970.
Fleeting adjouzued at l0124 P.:4
ldext regular sm :g will be •Ya nuary 5 e 1970
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A. Change Q M, c W quc st Z-69 -8
Request ki �,zind -zo- xom G--2
p4-,tential to R---i 1-e.andly on lots 33, Herrnc;-i-a
Tract, lacalel o-A !:)innnsa Avenue between 14H. ard 16t-'4:
Meets. Wrt&url hom December :n 1969%
Request of Jack Bliss and Doria-1,1 y4 a C3rndloiortal Wen WWI to
sell akaholic and provide on, lats 5 an"i 6 0."
Block 4 4 , IFH,., ' r.-.. v:, s a �,32 -'F;trand
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sales an open -47 W, an lots 124 12,',li, ;, J�'25 127 of
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'LL, Eatertain-men"'I'll",
Report frarn .7(;,,- i r,q C'orraa 11-tee
SFOTION V MISCELIANTE-OUS
12, Review of joint aineting-
13,. Non -agenda items of Commissik:aer,
i4,. Notices - City P`lanmer.