HomeMy WebLinkAboutPC_Minutes_74.04.22MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF. THE PLANNING COMMISSION -HELD IN THE CITY.COUNCIL
CHAMBERS, CITY HALL, HERMOSA BEACH, ON MONDAY, APRIL 22, 1974, AT 7:30 P.M.
Meeting called to order by Chairman Collis at 7:39 p.m.
Adjourned regular meeting of April 8, 1974.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Hough, Rosenberger, and Chmn. Collis
Absent: Comm. Noble
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Request of J.Falzone for open-air bicycle rentals and request to use metal
trailer as rental office at 125 Hermosa Avenue.
City Planner Crawford explained that this item was continued from the April 8th
meeting in order to give the applicant an opportunity to bring to the Planning
Commission a more: detailed plan of: the improvesrc-nt of the lot and to bring a
photograph of the trailer which he intends to use as an office for his business.
Public hearing opened 7:41 p.m.
Mide McDonald, 1809 Palm Avenue, Manhattan Beach, presented a picture of the lot,
and of the trailer, and an artist's conception of the two together. He said
there will be a picket fence along the front of the lot, and a 30' x 7'
boardwalk behind. He said he understands there are two main questions: the
permanency of the trailer and the esthetics of the lot. He said the weather
and seasonal nature of the business would set the tine factor, not past
October; and the business would improve the looks of the vacant lot.
Comm, Hough said she was under the impression that this would be a permanent busi-
ness, and asked whether they would return next year and run the bike .rental
trailer again or establish a permanent store;
Mr. McDonald said they have rot planned that far ahead, and with the trailer,
would stay only until October.
Joe Falzon , 10528 Dalerose, Lennon:, said they have worked very hard on this
proposal and it is now tip to the Planning Commission.
Public hearing closed 7:47 p.m.
Mr. Crawford said a Conditional Use Permit may be issued permanently or temporarily
as the Planning CoRnnission thinks proper if the business is compatible with
the surrounding .neighborhood, and that the application as initially submitted
was for a permanent business.
Comm. Hough felt that the trailer business will not upgrade the area nor follow
the course that the businessmen are taking, but may be acceptable as an
effort to establish a permanent business.
Chmn. Collis said the responsibility of the Planning Commission is to the
business community, and that a business conducted out of a trailer is in
direct competition with, and unfair to established businesses having the
overhead of a permanent business. He said that bike rental in itself is
not objectionable, but questioned whether the Planning Commission wants to
encourage businesses out of trailers.
Comm. Rosenberger replied that they should consider it on a temporary basis,
but not permanently, adding that he would be in favor of having a caretaker
on the lot to clean up and alter the front portion of the lot. He said that
this is a different type of trade from tine downtown area, the people being
from apartment complexes and high schools, and may not be in direct competition
with the downtown section serving the summer tourists. He said that it would
provide a needed service and method of altering the appearance of the lot.
Public hearing reopened 7:55 p.m.
Mr. Falzon said the paving plans name about because of the plans for the
trailer; that they have proposed only bike rentals, not sales, and only
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rentals will be conducted from the trailer; but if they make enough money
they may establish a permanent business with bike sales.
Public hearing closed 7:56 p.m.
Comm. Hough asked whether there is any ordinance, tradition, or pattern of
people coming to the Planning Commission for temporary business during the summer.
Mr. Crawford cited one -day events such as the Festival of Arts and the circus.
He said Planning Commission approval would not automatically allow use of
the trailer as it would then come to the Building Commission. He said.the
Planning Commission has permitted use of trailers as temporary offices and as
temporary storage, but not for running a business.
Comm. Chiu asked the present status of the bike path proposal. Mr. Crawford
responded that the latest recommendation of the Bike Path Committee to the Coun-
cil is to put a bike path on the beach to the west of the pedestrian walkway.
He restated the requests of the applicants as 1) to conduct and open air
business of bike rentals, and 2) to operate the business from a trailer.
Motion by Comm. Rosenberger, seconded by Comm. Burt, to approve the request
of Joseph Falzone to conduct open-air bicycle rentals and to operate business
from a trailer, not to exceed a period ending Septmeber 30, 1974, with busi-
ness hours from 9 a.m, to 6 P.M.
Chmn. Collis said he will vote no, the reason being that this type of business
itself is not objectionable but it leads to unfair competition with people
who are in bicycle sales and have an interest in rentals, and conducting business
out of a trailer is objectionable.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Hough, and Rosenberger
Noes: Comm. Collis
Absent: Comm. Noble
Chmn. Collis announced that the application has been approved by the Planning
Commission and anyone who wishes to appeal the decision has the right to do
so within ten days.
Comm. Hough stated that the proposed business serves a need but she would
not like to see a permanent business conducted out of a trailer because that
is nto the direction we are trying to take in the city.
Motion by Comm. Rosenberger, seconded by Comm. Burt, to adopt Resolution P.C.
154-961 approving the request of Joseph Falzone for a Temporary Conditional
Use Permit to conduct open-air bicycle rentals and to operate business from
a trailer at 125 Hermosa Avenue, subject to the conditions stated;
1. Permit and use to terminate not later than September 30, 1974.
2. Colors of trailer to be compatible with surrounding businesses and subject
to review by the Hermosa Improvement Commission.
3. Trailer to meet requirements of the Building Code.
4. Back portion of the lot is to be paved for off-street parking.
5. Boardwalk and fence to be constructed and maintained as shown on the sketch
submitted to the Planning Commission.
The motion was seconded as amended by Comm. Burt.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Hough, Rosenberger, and Chmn. Collis
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Noble
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Request for a change of land use zone from R-2 'to R-1 in order to divide the
subject lot and provide two.single dwellings instead of a duplex at 701-731
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Prospect Avenue.
Mr. Crawford said this item was continued from the April 8th meeting in order
to allow applicants to consider alternate ways of developing the property;
and that no new proposal had been submitted to staff.
Public hearing opened 8:16 p.m.
Mr. Grant Isgreen, 726 Prospect Avenue, presented additional information for
Planning Commission review including: Item I., Commission request for report
on 'other" possible uses of the land, and Item II., Information which was
presented to the Board of Zoning Adjustments but which apparently has not
been presented to the Planning Commission.
Chmn. Collis asked what determination was made after looking into other types
of usage. Mr. Isgreen replied that the information he received indicates
that a condominium, requiring a management system and maintenance establishment,
is too costly when it involves only two units. He said that the sale price
of the lot is $20,000.
Chmn. Collis felt that if the Planning Commission were to permit this lot to
be split it would reverse the direction they had been taking in planning;
that if it were within 5% of the standard requirement it might be feasible, but
this request is to reduce the standard by almost 50%. He said a well -designed
duplex, or a single-family homy with attached rental unit would involve less
lot coverage and leave more useable area for the owner and tenant. He said
he would not be in favor of splitting the lot into two 2500 sq. ft. lots.
Mr. Isgreen said his major concern is to avoid downgrading the rest of the
property in the neighborhood, and he feels he would be losing 75% of the market
in trying to sell a duplex.
Mrs. Isgreen said the neighbors are not in favor of having a duplex on the lot.
She said there is a view across the property which would remain with the two
buildings they are proposing.
Comm. Hough said the applicantst aim of preserving the residential tore of
the neighborhood could'be achieved by quality of design of a home with rental.
She feared the precendent of splitting small lots.
Chmn. Collis noted that the Planning Commission is asked only to change the
zoning at this time. He said he thinks the action taken by the Board of
Zoning Adjustments is wrong, is precedent -making by reducing the standard
lot by one-half_, and he is not in favor of permitting two separate structures
or two 2500 sq. ft. lots.
Public hearing closed 9:03 p.m.
Motion by Comm. Rosenberger, seconded by Comm. Burt, to approve the request
by A. G. Isgreen, 726 Prospect Avenue to change land use zone from R-2 to
R-1 at 701-731 Prospect Avenue.
Comm. Burt said he has known the Isgreens for many years and they have been
neighbors for 18 years. He believes they have done the neighborhood a favor
in buying this lot, have designed the houses well, and he can see no objection
to splitting and developing the lot. He said the rest of the block is split
in the same way.
Comm. Hough also commended the Isgreens for their work.
Comm. Rosenberger said he will not vote to approve as there is no place for
children to play in a yard or on any of the streets near by; the size of the
lots proposed is much too small and might even. decrease the value of the houses
as there is not adequate area.
The vote on the above motion was:
Ayes: Comm. Burt and Hough.
Noes: Comm. Chiu, Rosenberger, and Chmn. Collis
Absent: Comm. Noble
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Chmn. Collis stated that the application was denied by the Planning Commissiou,
with the right to appeal within ten days.
Motion by Comm. Rosenberger, seconded by Comm. Chiu, to adopt Resolution P.C.
154-962 denying the request of A.G. Isgreen for a change in land use zone from
R-2 to R-1, the reasons being that:
1. It is intended for a lot division .
2. The subject lots would be substandard in size ( less than 4000 square feet).
3. The request would tend to establish a trend toward reduction of lot
size in R-1 zones.
4. The R-1 zone is not necessary for the proper development of the property.
Ayes: Comm. Chiu, Rosenberger, and Chmn. Collis
Noes: Comm. Burt and Hough
Absent: Comm. Noble
Mr. Isgreen protested the procedural difficulties and payment of permit
fees which resulted in getting approval from one commission and disapproval
from another commission.
Mr. Crawford explained that the division of the property and the granting of
the variance were the provivice of the Board of Zoning Adjustments assuming
that the application meets the four required findings of the zoning ordinance.
He said the variance which they granted was subject to obtaining a zone change
and is null and void if the zone change is not approved; and that if, on
appeal, the City Council approves the zone change, the Board of Zoning Adjustments
variance will be in effect again.
Motion by Comm. Rosenberger, seconded by Comm. Chiu, to adjourn. Confirmed
by voice vote at 9:15 p.m.
Workshop meeting opened at 9:15 p.m. by Chmn. Collis.
ROLL CALL
Present: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Hough, Rosenberger, and Chmn. Collis.
Absent: Comm. Noble
APPROVAL OC MINU S
Comm. Hough questioned the reference to a take-out food window on page five of
the minutes.
Mr. Crawford said there was a pass -through window from the bar area to the
game room, but no take-out food window was in.the request as it came to the
Planning Commission.
Chmn. Collis said Mr. Arnold felt that it was represented that there was a
take-out window.
Comm. Hough noted an error on page 9, to read 12:10 a.m, rather than p.m.
Motion by Comm. Chiu, seconded by Comm. Hough, to approve the minutes of the
April 8, 1974 meeting of the Planning Commission as corrected.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Hough, and Chmn.Collis
Noes: None
Abstain: Comm. Rosenberger
Absent: Comm. Noble
APPROVAL OR RESOLUTIONS
Motion by Comm. Burt, seconded by Comm. Hough, to approve P.C. 154-958 as submitted.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Hough, and Chmn. Collis
Noes: None
Abstain: Comm. Rosenberger
Absent: Comm. Noble
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Motion by Comm. Hough, seconded by Comm. Burt, to approve P.C.• 154-959 as submitted.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Hough, and Chmn. Collis
Noes: None
Abstain: Comm. Rosenberger
Absent: Comm. Noble
Motion by Comm. Burt, seconded by Comm. Hough, to approve P.C. 154-960 as submitted.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Hough, and Chmn. Collis
Noes: None
Abstain:Comm. Rosenberger
Absent: Comm. Noble
AMENDMENT #6
Mr. Crawford presented the revised Circulation Element including a map wit
latest recommendations, the most recent change showing Gould Avenue as a
collector street; a text revision which describes the map, following the same
pattern and method of description that the General Plan presently uses;
a more detailed analysis of the plan itself; Environmental Impact Report
on the effect of the plan; a copy of the present Circulation Element; the latest
traffic flow map of the city; and circulation related to neighborhood
design studies. He said the City is now ten years into the General Plan;
the remaining years of the Plan and the Circulation plan itself need to be
related to one another. With $450,000 or $45,000 per year over the next
ten years, income for street construction, the city should be able to accom-_
plish the work the Planning Commission shows in this element of the General
Plan. The City staff consider this plan to be feasible and possible within
ten years. He said that within the next five years the Commission should
be looking into the next ten years; that with the oil resources being finite •
and the method of utilization chaging, the city cannot plan a twenty-year
investment program in circulation at this time. He added that if the city
wishes to preserve the residential character of Hermosa Bdach it cannot afford
to create any more arterial streets.
Comm. Chiu questioned the sentence "It is not designed to accommodate the
20,000 week -end beach visitors." (page.3). He said this is not taking into
consideration an existing condition.
Mr. Crawford suggested that the Bikeway Element, Transit Element, and use
of TRW parking lots will have to help in accommodating the week -end visitors;
a development of some system that will bring in people but not cars, is
anticipated to serve the beach visitors.
Chmn. Collis said it is impossible to provide dnough parking to accommodate
the beach goers and still maintain a residential community and that the city
should not displace the residents of the city to provide parking lots for
visitors.
Comm. Cbiu suggested planned use of existing parkin -.lots and use of school
lots for parking on a temporary basis. He said the sentence on page 2,
"The pending bikeway and transit elements will supplement the proposed system"
should be expanded to include parking, and that similar wording should be
- added to the resolution.
Motion by Comm. Rosenberger, seconded by Comm. Burt, to put Amendment #6
as revised on the agenda for the meeting of May 13, 1974, for public hearing.
AMENDMENT #9
Mr. Crawford.presented the revised preliminary environmental impact report
which is to update the changes the Planning Commission had recommended.
He said the definition of neighborhood commercial is now reflected in the
text, and that changes in the map.reflect changes in land use requested by
the Planning Commission and is to be adopted with the Resolution. He agreed
that the map will have to be changed so that the designations are more easily
read.
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Comm. Chiu asked if the industrial site will continue as industrial, and
why the commercial recreation designation covers an area of apartments and
condominiums.
Mr. Crawford replied that the industrial site will continue for the next
ten years at least, as there are a number of high -value manufacturing busi-
nesses in the area, and that the Planning Commission felt that commercial
recreation should be left on the map in the south area as representing its
highest and best potential use. He said the designation of multi -use corridor
leaves the Commission and the property owners in a position to go either
residential or commercial, but the recommendation is that development be
accomplished through Planned Development; however, the city does not, at
this time, have the authority to impose Planned Development on any piece
of property.
Comm. Hough requested that items C. and D. on page 1 of the resolution, and
items D. 6 and 7 on page two be eliminated or suspended as being within the
province of the open Space Element.
Comm. Rosenberger requested the report from the open Space Committee to be
presented at the public hearing.
Chmn. Collis moved to continue this item to the next workshop. No objections,
so ordered.
SIGN ORDINANCE REVISION
Comm. Rosenberger reported on a meeting of the Development Commission in
which certain modifications of the sign ordinance were made, including elim-
ination -of sections that were repetitive and analysis of the new section in
regard to the Improvement Commission and the criterea they are to use to
judge sign quality and taste. A new section has been added on sign conform-
ance, and design, construction and appearance of signs.
Comm. Chiu recommended placing the proposed revision on the agenda for the
next public hearing. Comm. Hough suggested including window signs as part
of the sign ordinance. Comm. Rosenberger requested a maximum area to be es-
tablished for any sign in addition to the formula of two square feet of sign
area for each foot above grade.
Chmn. Collis suggested requirement of a bond to insure that temporary signs
would be removed after use. Mr. Crawford added that non -conforming electrical
signs should expire when they become unsafe. Chmn. Collis recommended en-
couraging the merchants to upgrade their standards for the community rather
than increasing penalties for misuse of signs. He moved to place the sign
ordinance on the agenda of the May 13th meeting for public hearing.
MOTEL -HOTEL DFTINYTIONS
Mr. Crawford reviewed existing definitions and suggested elimination of
duplications and adding a definition for boarding or lodging house to cover
less than 6 guest rooms.
Chmn. Collis asked whether staff suggests creating through definition another
type of structure that will encourage this type of development.
Mr. Crawford said this type of structure exists and needs definition, there
is a need for a third type of unit that falls between an apartment and a
motel, and definition of that type structure will make clear the city's
wishes and facilitate regulation.
Chmn. Collis'suggested that a motel or hotel in any form be reviewed by the
Planning Commission as to location and design, a hotel or motel being designed
for two or more guest rooms; remove from C-2 zone and place under Conditional
Use procedures; eliminate definition of duplex and use multiple dwelling
definition for two or more families.
Mr. Crawford said the definition of a kitchen and the definition of a flexible
unit, as adopted, will help -the Building Director in denying the use of a wet
bar that can become a kitchen; anything that is different from a conventional
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kitchen can be declared "unusual design" which will come to the Planning Commission.
He said staff will prepare an amendment for the zoning ordinance for public
hearing.
Motion by Comm. Burt, seconded by Comm. Rosenberger, to approve.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Hough, Rosenberger, and Churn. Collis,
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Noble
CAPITAL ITROVEbMNT PROGRAM 1974 - 1975
Motion by Chmn. Collis, seconded by Comm. Hough, to continue to next workshop.
ZONE AMENDMENTS
Motion by Comm. Rosenberger, seconded by Comm. Hough, to continue to next
workshop, and to place first on the agenda.
CITY COUNCIL - SCfiOOL BOARD MEETING
Mr. Crawford said the Planning Commission, Parks and Recreation and the
Improvement Commission are invited to attend the meeting April 299 1974, as
the City Council might allow the school district to put properties on the
auction block. Comm. Hough asked that the staff affirm that the Open Space
Committee has been notified.
The Planning will meet at -Valley Park, 9:30 a.m. Saturday, April 27 for their
walk of the area.
Comm. Hough reported that Zeppyls is operating with the signs up that were
to have been removed before they started operations. Mr. Crawford said they
have been notified several times, and Chmn. Collis agreed that they should be
called before the Planning Commission.
Chmn. Collis commended the Isgreens for attending the meeting and for their
concern with their community.
Meeting adjourned by Chmn. Collis, 11:42 p.ni.
CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes were approved by the Planning Commission
of the City of Hermosa Beach at a public arin held on April 22, 1974 r`t4=
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DATE
James Rosenberger,''Efting Secretary