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CHAMBERS, CITY HALL, HERMOSA BEA.C�-v ON MNDAY, AUGUST 26, 1fflax 9 I T TEE
CITY
P.M.
COUNCIL
Meeting called to order by Chai1 Rosenberger at
7:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Present: Comm. Burt., Collis., Ha���r� Hough (arrived late), Peirce, and Chinn. RosenChiu
berg
Absent:
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Correction o pagem7, lastder of se�a-� nFirst sentence, add
ice. Delete second sentenceiod ('"Co�� Peirce.•.Highway
ElemMotion by Comm. Burt, seconded by- Cow, Peirce
August 12, 1974, as corrected. , to approve the minutes of the meeting of
Noes: None. Burt, Collis, Haller.V Peirce, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Absent: Comm. Chiu and Comm. Hough
APPROVAL OF RESOLUTIONS
in�theHtext;poietedout delete�Parkt a eD�eCtern made in Article VI,
'f, insert section
T, 06 is not reflectei
Motion by Comm. Burt, seconded by Comte. Collis, to approve corrected; and to approve Resolutions P.C. 154-979, oResolution P.C. 154-978 as
' 981, 982, 983, as submitted.
Noes: None• Burt, Co].l�s, Haller, Hough, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Absent: Comm. Chiu
C-74-16
Request of E. Talbot to manufacture surfboards as part of a retail business under pro-
visions of Section 801 of N.S. 154, at 916 Aviation Blvd.
City Planner Crawford reviewed the analysis, indicating
for the use of Commercial property fOr limited � the required performance standards
applicant proposes to use an existing manufacturing of surfboards. He said the
PP P P d concrete block building, which is one Of two building;
on four lots. The front of the btz7 1di.xtg, nog= a garage
and lass windows a walk-in door and ove`door, will be replaced with aluminum
buildingwill contain a display area a sign above the door. He said the front of the
d Lhe center a stzaping room, and the fear a rentable
storage area with no planned use at this time � Future u",
required to come before the PC. The a e of the rentable area could be
q pplicant has said that the dust storage equipment
will be outside the building rather than inside, as standards stipulate.
Comm. Collis asked if the states{ hours of operation (10: 00 a . m.
days a week. The applicant's report: states that the to 6:00 p.m.) are seven
shaping room hours approx. 4 hours per day, ��onday thru�r aayop hours are 7 days; the
In answer to questions concerning parking, *. Crawford said that staff recommend,
replacing the curb cut in front of the building with standard curb
which will allow one more parking space on the Street.
will be necessaryas the parking ' backing
and sidewalk,,
He said n❑ backi� into Aviation
there
ng area is j0° widewithparking on one side, leaving 301
turiaing area. He said there would r_ormal y be required 14 OP leaving however this is a legally noncor1forming use. Under CtTp the street spaces
ces r the
two
modify the
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parking requirements. He said there are no parking problems now on the street as there
is very law customer demand in that area. The 90' required for parking will leave 2'
for a decorative wall or landscaped area.
Public hearing opened 7:48 p.m.
Eddie Talbot, 230 N. Juanita Street, Redondo Beach, said he -questions some of the
requirements since they pertain to all surfboard manufacturing which includes many processes,
while he:lwill have only a shaping room with hand and some machine shaping of blanks. he
believes soundproofing and dust collectionsare necesaary, but not sprinkler system with
100% protection, nor four-hour walls. He said he has talked to the fire chief who also
believes the sprinkler and four-ho&r walls are not necessary. He will have a fire
extinguisher. He said there will be a drum of resin in an outside enclosure, but there
will be no glassing on the property. It would cost about $1500 to put sprinklers in the
shaping: --room; $2000 for the whole building.
Comm. Burt asked if he would be able to put in a sprinkler system within a year. Mr.
Talbot said he thinks so; he would like to be able to glass within a year, which would
make sprinklers necessary. He said sheathing can be put on the walls to add an additional
two hours fire protection.
Comm. Collis askdd.hoW much the insurance rates would be reduced by having a sprinkler
system. Mr. Talbot said he has not inquired yet. He said the estimated cost of $3000
to open is now twice that; he is pressed for time, must open within a month, and cannot
affort the initial cost of the sprinkler system at this time.
Chmn. Rosenberger questioned storing the drum of resin in the rear behind the building.
b&Y.Talbot said there is an enclosed area, about 6-7' x 5' on the far end of the building.
He said the resin is in a barrel; he could fence the area, or obtain a tin shed.
Comm. Peirce asked if he id leasing both lots. Mr. Talbot said he is bu*ing all four
lots. He does not have specific plans for the rental area.
Mr. Talbot said the plans are in error concerning the dust collect6r; it is=inside.
Comm. Collis said the PC does not want these establishments to have a manufacturing look;
airconditioning equipment on the roof should be concealed and ardhitecturally screened.
Public hearing closed 8:08 p.m.
Comm. Collis said he feels very strongly that any ventilation equipment on the roof
should be concealed from the street and from residents of the area; that the PC should
accept the recommendations of the fire chief concerning the sprinkler system; and that
materials and waste should be stored within the building or an enclosed separate area.
He asked if the Fire Department makes inspections on a routine basis. Mr. Crawford said
the Fire Department does make periodic inspections.
Comm. Peirce said these buildings are very close to residences on the hill behind them,
and without fire protection a fire would very quickly spread to the residential buildings.
He asked if Mr. Talbot is also asking the PC to naive the requirement for four-hour walls;
Mr. Talbot said yes, that the w4ls would be adequate to contain any fire started in the
materials being used. Comm. Peirce said he believes that what the PC has required of one
manufacturer should be asked of another; he will be storing resin in back of the building
very close to residential buildings; and after once allowing a business to start, the PC
seems to have very little control.
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Comm. Burt recommended review in ariyear as Mr. Talbot said he can provide a sprinkler
system within a year. Comm. Hough concurred, adding that he should come back if he
starts another procedure (such as glassing). Chinn. Rosenberger said there should be
an immediate review condition if the PC is notified by the Fire Chief, and asked if there
is a revocation of the CUP would the business be allowed to continue in operation. Mr.
Crawford replied that in theory the business will stop immediately, however the CA may
change that.
Motion by Comm. Collis, seconded by Comm. Hough, to approve the CUP allowing Mr. Talbot
to manufacture surfboards in a retail location at 916 Aviation Blvd., subject to the
following conditions:
1. That a dust collection system be totally enclosed within the building and in the
event that said system is not totally within the building that adequate screening
devices will be constructed satisfactory to the IC.
2. Adequate noise suppression systems be installed to keep any noise emission to within
two db of the ambient noise level.
3. Adequate provision for material and trash storage within the building or, if outgide,
so construct as to be acceptable to the IC; and if any flammable materials to be
stored within, said storage area to be acceptable to the Fire Department.
4. Adequate ventilation according to State standards; waive four-hour exterior walls
and sprinkler systems, if such waivers are approved by the Fire Chief, for one year,
or put in sooner if starting the glassing phase of manufacture.
5. Review within six months.
6. Manufacturing operation should conform to the hours granted the other manufacturer
(Webber) and be limited to five days per week (M-F)■
7. Curb, gutter and sidewalk to be installed in a manner acceptable to CE.
8. Separate review specified for use of the "rentable storage area".
9. Ten off-street parking spaces shall be so designated and available for parking at
all times and maintained for parking at all times.
10. Signs and exterior of building to be submitted to IC for their approval. Landscaping
the front area subject to IC review.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Collis, Haller, Hough, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Noes: Comm. Pierce, because of lack of four-hour walls, sprinkler system, and
objections stated is the text above.
Absent: Comm. Chiu
Motion by Comm. Collis, seconded by Chmn. Rosenberger, to adopt Resolution P.C. 154-984
stating that it has been found after public hearing that the CUP request of Eddie Talbot
be permitted at 916 Aviation Blvd. The PC has reviewed the EIR and find no detrimental
impact. Similar sorts of uses have been granted to previous applicants within the
Commercial zone. Subject to conditions listed in the motion above.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Collis, Haller, Hough, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Noes: Comm. Pierce
Absents Comm. Chiu
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Page 4
N.S. 154 OS
An amendment creating a new land use zone classification to be known as OS Open Space Zone.
Mr. Crawford said this is a public hearing, advertised in the Hermosa Review, and con-
tinued from the August 12 meeting. An ordinance for OS Zone is required by the state
as part of the OS Element, and for implementation of the OS Element. This now places
the category in the Zoning Ordinance; it does not place any specific piece of property
in the OS Zone. Special public hearings must be held before any property can be placed
in the OS Zone; such properties still retain their previous zone classifications but
the City cannot issue building permits within the OS area of the General Plan; it is
a clouded area.
Comm. Hough said there is a need to bring zoning into conformance with the General Plan,
and requested of staff a list, by the Sept. 5th meeting, of the properties that are
expected to be placed in the OS Zone. She asked if J?reperties having more than 10%
coverage would be designated legally nonconforming. Mr. Crawford said yes, if necessary,
but probably none of them would require it. Chmn. Resenberger said if properties are
partially sold they may become nonconforming.
Open public hearing 8:40 p.m. No one wished to be heard. Closed 8:40 p.m.
In reference to the required 20' setback on all sideg, Comm. Hough said the best way
of planning might be to have the building in one corner, rather than in the middle,
to preserve as much open space as possible. Comm. Haller suggested making development
subject to IUD.
Motion by Comm. Hough, seconded by Comm. Burt, to refer to Zoning Subcommittee for
further study, to be resubmitted at workshop meeting of September 23.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Collis, Haller, Hough, Peirce, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Chiu
Since Admission Day, Sept. 9, is a State holiday, Chmn. Rosenberger suggested holding
the next PC meeting on Thursday, Sept. 5th. No objection. So ordered.
635 LONGFELLOW AVENUE
Request of G. Manion for permission to separate a combined lot consisting of two
25' x 100' lilts, located at 635 Longfellow Avenue (cont.)
Mr. Crawford said the properties are zoned R-2; actual use under zoning ordinance is
single-family. He said the lots to one side are developed as duplexes, and adjacent
lots to the other side developed as single family homes.
Emmitt L. and Ginette S. Manion, 635 Longfellow Avenue, said they would like to build
two homes to match the neighborhood, and would have the option of keeping one and
selling the other.
Comm. Peirce said the two R-1 lots would continue the present usage on the east, and
would more likely be owner -occupied than a duplex.
Chmn. Rosenberger asked if this area is similar to the areas considered when the lot
combination ordinance was passed. Mr. Crawford said the major concern.at that time was
the possible removal of one home to be replaced by two; in this instance the difference
is one of design, not density. Chmn. R. said there would be the possibility of double
development. Mr. Carwford said the street has alley service to the rear; houses could
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - August 26, 1974 Page 5
have garage access off the alley, which could prevent having garages facing the street,
however he d6es not know if the PC can require access to be from the alley.
Comm. Hough said the objection has been houses side by side with 3' paths between; there
would be more open space by building together. She asked if it would be possible to
build two townhouses, which would be owner -occupied.
Comm. Collis said he will vote no; the area is zoned R-2 and should be developed for that
type of use; not in favor of splitting to the small lots. He recalled that a similar
request was denied to the Isgreens since the combined lot would provide more flexibility
in design.
Motion by Comm. Haller, seconded by Comm. Hough, to grant the request.
Ayes: Comm. Peirce
Noes: Comm. Burt, Collis, Haller, Hough, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Absent: Cbmm. Chiu
Chmn. Rosenberger announced that the request was denied and the applicants have the
right of appeal in writing to the CC within 10 days.
Z-74-2
Referral of Z-74-2 (Alflen) back to PC by CC for comment whether the CC should grant the
appeal from the approval by the PC (cont.)
Mr. Crawford said the CC refused to accept the applicant's withdrawl and indicated
they might grant the appeal or might change the zone. They referred the matter to PC
for their comments, and would like the PC's recommendation as to,vhether the withdrawal
should be allowed. He said the city may be in the position of having a Commercial lot
fronting on a side street; they can change the zone but cannot force the acceptance of
precise plan. He said the PC made the change with conditions; the owner did not accept
the conditions but asked to withdraw.
Motion by Comm. Hough, seconded by Comm. Burt, to recommend to the Council that they
honor the applicant's request to withdraw, and request the applicant to remove the
cars parked on the lot.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Collis, Haller, Hough, Peirce, and Chmn. Rosenberger.
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Chiu
CUP C-71-1
Review of CUP C-71-1 - take-out restaurant at 1318 Strand (Zeppy's Pizza)
Mr. Crawford said this is an automatic review initially set for August 12 but held over
due to a crowded agenda. The conditions listed in Resolution P.C. 154-946 were evaluated
as follows: 1,3,5,7 were complied with. 2. There are trash cans but not the concrete
containers originally intended. 4. not complied with until recently. 6. Don't know.
8. They have attempted to sweep, but it is extremely difficult to keep clean during the
weekends. 9. This review is to give the PC and applicant an opportunity to discuss the
conditions and how they are working out.
The Commission discussed the sign situation, the pending change of sign ordinance, and
the possession of similar signs by adjacent businas&4s.
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Marilyn Altamura, 313 llth Street, Manhattan Beach, representing John Altamura, said
the sidewalk sign has been removed since June. Concerning the sign painted on the side
of the building, she said they do not want to change the name as they purchased the
good will of Perry's. She said Mr. Altamura submitted a proposal to put up a Pepsi sign
which was rejected, but within the last six months the other two establishments have
opened and put up Coca-Cola signs.
Motion by Comm. Hough, seconded by Comm. Peirce, to approve with review in six months,
continuing the same conditions.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Collis, Haller, Hough, Peirce, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Chiu
Chmn. Rosenberger directed staff to send a letter to the CC asking them to look into
the matter, that the neighboring businesses are not complying with the sign ordinance
nor cleaning up the Strand.
CUP C-74-3
Review of CUP C-74-3 - beer bar at 530 Pacific Coast Highway (Ninth Wave)
Mr. Crawford said there have been no complaints regarding sound; 3. & 4, there is no!..-.
lighting of the parking lot and driveway entrance as required; 7. signs were approved;
8. driveway entrance has not been widened as required.
Comm. Haller added that the back needs to be cleaned up as it is quite trashy.
J. Bernatt, 530 PCH, said the CE was supposed to stop by concerning the widening of
the driveway; the light bulb can be changed and parking lot cleaned; they can put a
light in the back.
Comm. Collis said the PC is concerned that the applicant does not seem to be much con-
cerned with his responsibility in keeping the premises neat or meeting the conditions.
He said he feels that a responsible businessman should 'not have t- be told to comply
with the conditions. He asked if the applicant has a maintenance service. Mr. Bernatt
replied that they do not.
Motion by Chmn. Rosenberger, seconded by Comm. Burt to set a public hearing for the
first public hearing meeting in October to get response from the owner and from the
neighbors, with notification to all neighbors within 300 feet. Request report from CE.
Require applicant to take care of lighting along driveway, front and back, follow up
on the curb cut, and clean .up in the back.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Collis, Haller, Hough, and Chmn. Rosenberger.
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. chju"
SIGN ORDINANCE
Proposed sign ordinance revisions referred to PC for review of proposed amendments.
Mr. Crawford said a few minor changes have been made or are indicated in the text.
on page 2, (11), should read "Improvement Commission" rather than "Board or Commission".
On page 4, (31), political sign definition has been substantially shortened and the
regulatory part put on page 16, Section 28A.10.
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On page 16, Section 28A.11 is a recommendation of the CC to make the point that there
shall be enforcement and the agency of enforcement shall be the Building Dept.
Comm. Hough asked if there is a period of abatement. Mr. Crawford said the CC wanted
to make sure not to disturb the existing period on electrical signs. Other signs are
time limit, and the Commissioners agreet upon 90 days. Add to secon& paragraph the
words "within 90 days from the effective date of this ordinance."
Mr. Crawford said another change was deletion of a paragraph from C-2 and C-3 that
applied only to C-1.
Motion by Comm. Collis, seconded by Comm. Peirce, to state that the PC has been working
on this sign Ordinance since last year, and feel that sufficient time and notification
has been made available to the public; and that it is a good ordinance and should be
adopted.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Collis, Haller, Hough, Peirce, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Chiu
Chmn. Rosenberger directed that the Sign Ordinance be sent back to the CC, agreeing
with their changes and suggesting one additional change, which is the 90-day abatement
period.
R-P ZONE
Proposed amendment to the R-P Zone.
Mr.Crawdord explained that R-P is a modification of R-3 designed as a halfway zone
between R-3 and Commercial. The R-3 has been changed consistently through the years
and the R-P ignored. This would make any use permitted in the R-P zone subject to any
requirements of the R-3 zone, and makes the stipulated professional services subject
to granting of a CUP.
Chmn. Rosenberger said it is limiting to state these seven; there should be provision for
"similar uses" to avoid need for a variance. Addition of the words "and other similar
uses, subject to approval of the PC," was suggested.
Comm. Collis said he thinks that professional offices are noncompatible with R-3 use,
and would prefer making it either R-3 or C-1 rather than a mixed zone. He said that
parking would probable be inadequate for professional offices and questioned whether
this amendment provides sufficient standards.
Chmn. Rosenberger said it makes a buffer zone between commerical and residential zones.
Comm. Haller said it offers the possibility of control.
Motion by Comm. Haller, seconded by Chmn. Rosenberger, to send back to subcommittee for
in-depth analysis.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Collis, Haller, Hough, Peirce, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Chiu
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - August 26, 1974 Page 8
RPD ZONE
Proposed amendment to the RPD Zone.
Mr. Crawford said the test of the zoning ordinance has been modified with recommendations
of the subcommittee. Further changes recommended by the Commission as follows:
Sec. 7.5-3 (2) Change one-half to "50%". Delete "net".
(3) a. Delete "recreation", "and livability space," "net" to read:
"..set aside for open space must be at least thirty-five percent (35%)
of the lot area."
B. (1) (b) delete "net"
(2) delete "net"
(3) (a) delete "net"
(c) delete "gross land", insert "lot" to read: 11(10%) of lot area."
C. (1) (b) delete "net land", insert "lot" to read: "square feet of lot area,"
C. (2) Correct to (125%). delete "gross land" and insert "lot"
(3) (a) delete "met"
(3) (c) delete "gross land" and insert "lot"
Sec. 7.5-5 (3) (a) delete "gross and net"
(3) (b) delete "and livability space" and insert "and recreation space."
Reconsider wording of Section 7.5-6 (2) "desirable and will promote stability" and
Section 7.5-7, para 2, "to protect the best interest of the city." Suggested for
subcommittee consideration words such as "will enhance or upgrade the surrounding
neighborhood."
Motion by Comm. Hough, seconded by Comm. Collis, to send back to Development Committee.
So ordered.
Chmn. Rosenberger nominated Comm. Chiu for new Chairman of Development Committee.
Seconded by Comm. Hough. So ordered.
Comm. Collis requested the status report on Oldaker to be on the agenda for the
next meeting.
The Commission discussed the problem of actions being delayed in BZA, such as the
Circulation Element, R-1, R-2, and R-3 changes. There was some feeling that the BZA
is attempting to act on economic impact rather than environmental impact. Comms. Peirce
and Haller requested that a memorandum be sent to the CC asking them to hold public
hearings on the matters in which the BZA is delinquent without waiting for the EIR's;
and request that this be placed 6n their agenda for tomorrow night. ;(Aug. 27th)
Comm. Peirce asked what has become of the Seismic Element. Mr. Crawford replied that
it has stalled because of the cost. The other three cities are going ahead with their
plans.
Comm. Hough asked if the charts on zone changes are in preparation. Mr. Crawford said
they are.
Comm. Hough asked if meetings are scheduled with other PC's. Chmn, Rosenberger said
they are delayed because of changes in staff, and will continue to be delayed until the
PC can meet with Council.
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Page 9
Comm. Burt scheduled a meeting of the Zoning Subcommittee for Thursday, August 29th at
4 p.m.
Chmn. Rosenberger made the following suggestions to the Development Committee:
1. New capital improvement meetings
2. Area Housing Council - arrange meetings with other cities
3. OS Element - consider sale of development rights
4. Sesmic Safety Element
Chmn. Rosenberger commended City Planner Crawford for the summary that he has written
in two reports, and thanked him for his work.
Move to adjourn 11:18 p.m.
CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes were approved by the Planning Commission
of the City of Hermosa Beach at a public hearing held on the 22nd day of July, 1974.
DATED
JIM ROSENSERGER. C AIRMAN