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M�]UTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS,
CITY HALL, HERMOSA BEACH, ON MONDAY, MARCH 24, 1975, AT 7:00 P.M.
Meeting called to order by Chairman Rosenberger at 7:08 p.m.
HOUSING ELEMENT
Public hearing continued from March 10, 1975 meeting, scheduled for 7:00 p.m.
Public hearing opened 7:11 p.m. No one wished to be heard. Closed 7:12 p.m.
Comm. Chiu said he has made suggestions as to other topic areas to be explored; these
inter -relationships should be expressed since the Housing Element has so many interfaces
with other General Plan elements.
Jim ODell, Planning Consultant, said two major new factors have been introduced: 1) since
the last meeting the Coastal Zone Commission preliminary plan has been published, an
extensive, complete and detailed document; 2) the Energy Design Manual from the state shows
us in Region 18A of some 20 regions, will become very much a part of the Housing Element,
and covers such factors as insulation, properties of convection, reflection, differential
between flooring requirements between R-1, R-2, and R-3 zones; this has been incorporated
into state law so the Engineering Department will be required to inspect by this design.
He said inserts A through E represent most but not all of the comments from Comm. Chiu,
and the write-up on the chart is for the Commission's consideration.
Comm. Chiu proposed writing of the Housing Element in two portions, statistical and
implementation, citing as areas to explore the city's policy concerning the trend toward
renters and winter occupancy, absentee ownership, whether housing should be allowed on
conditional use permit, whether low and moderate income people will be able to live in the
city, use of Section 8 leased housing units administered by HUD, how to maintain the
existing housing stock, and illegal housing problem. He said that condominium conversion
should be in the element. He discussed use of certificate of occupancy, with a requirement
that a new certificate be issued every time there is a change of title or a change of
occupancy, allowing a continuous review procedure. He said the structure of the housing
element will dictate the noise element, circulation element and use of the downtown area;
also it is mandatory to consider policies of the Coastal Zone Commission. He reiterated
the advantage of splitting the element in two parts because the policy considerations
raised in the implementation section will require lengthy analysis.
Chmn. Rosenberger recommended that the element be returned to the subcommittees for recon-
sideration with the aid of staff. Comm. Burt scheduled a meeting of the Zoning subcom-
mittee for April 7, 6:30 p.m.
Recess: 7:25 p.m. Meeting reconvened at 7:31 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Present: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Haller, Peirce, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Absent: Comm. Collis, Hough
Also present were Rod Merl, Planning Director, and Jim ODell, Planning Consultant.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Motion by Comm. Burt, seconded by Comm. Haller, to approve the minutes of March 10,'1975,
as submitted.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Haller, Peirce, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Collis and Hough
Planning Commission Minutes - March 24, 1975
page 2
APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION
Motion by Comm. Burt, seconded by Comm. Haller, to approve Resolution P.C. 154-1011 as
submitted.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Haller, Peirce, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Collis and Hough
1 2 STRAND - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOL
Mr. Merl reported that this item, continued from the last meeting, has in the interim been
considered by the Board of Zoning Adjustments. He said it was originally declared sig-
nificant, but at the last meeting the Environmental Impact Report was declared nonsignifi-
cant and asked that a negative declaration be filed. The basic analysis, pertinent minutes
comments of Police Chief and Downtown Committee are included in the packets. He said the
owner is sponsoring only one application; the first application for a recording studio is
no longer an active application.
Public hearing opened 7:36 p.m. No one wished to be heard, but Mr. James, the owner, indi-
cated the applicant is on his way.
Motion by Comm. Burt to remove to last item in the public hearings since the applicant is
not yet present. So ordered.
2-4 PIER AVENUE - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOL AND TAKE-OUT FOOD WINDOW
Mr. Merl said the application is for the sale of beer in conjunction with service of food,
plus a request for a take-out food service window on the Strand which does not include the
beer. The next item on the agenda is also a take-out window; the owner of the building is
the same but the operators will not be the same. He said there was a previous permit in
1969 for the sale of beer which terminated after one year; no use was made of the sale of
beer provision.
Chmn. Rosenberger asked if these are being considered jointly. Mr. Merl replied that they
can grant one part without the other if desired.
Public hearing opened 7:41 p.m.
Ed Babb, owner of property at 829 7th Street, opposed the request for take-out window due
to congestion of the area.
Public hearing closed 7:43 p.m.
Comm. Haller said that particular area is very congested and take-out windows seem to cause
a lot of trash and confusion. She said she doesn't find the request for serving beer as
objectionable as the take-out window.
Comm. Peirce said that people can already take food out by ordering inside and going out
the door; he agrees that people can already take food out by ordering inside and going out
the door; he agrees with objections to the window. He said the request for beer and wine
sale does not seem appropriate to the restaurant; segregation inside the restaurant will
make it very cluttered as it is a very small place.
Comm. Chiu said he would add a condition for a hose bib and water faucet for cleaning the
area. Chmn. Rosenberger said he does not favor this request because the trade is very mixed
in age and it will be very difficult to segregate in that restaurant; it would encourage
wd that uses it.
police problems because of the diversity of the cro
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Comm. Burt said he is opposed bacause there are to many liquor licenses in the downtown
area already, and the take-out window would add to the confusion.
Motion by Comm. Burt, seconded by Comm. Peirce, to approve both the requests for take-out
window for food and for the sale of beer, with the following conditions:
1. No beer be sold through the take-out service window or "to go."
2. All beer be sold through table service only; also that there be no separate bar area.
3. That beer be sold in regular glasses (no plastic or paper cups)
4. That beer be sold only at a separate seating area, due to the presence of many minors
in the restaurant.
5. That an appropriate trash container be maintained and properly serviced at all times
adjacent to the take-out service window.
6. Any exterior modifications or signing be approved by the Improvement Commission.
7. No change in conditions or hours of operation without Planning Commission review
and approval.
8. Hose bib required in front for cleaning the area..
Ayes: None
Noes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Haller, Peirce, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Absent: Comm. Collis, Hough
Motion by Conun. Burt, seconded by Comm. Peirce, to adopt Resolution P.C. 154-1012 denying
the request by William. Grill, 925 8th Place, Hermosa Beach, for a conditional use permit
to allow the sale of beer in conjunction with the service of food at 2-4 Pier Avenue, plus
a take-out food window service on the Strand, for the reasons that traffic in and out of
this place is composed of a mixture of minors and adults and would be difficult to segre-
gate; there are 14 liquor licenses within a very short distance in the area, six on Pier
Avenue; a take-out window on the Strand would add to clutter and confusion, danger of
bodily injury and increased police problems both inside the restaurant and on the Strand.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Haller, Peirce and Chmn. Rosenberger
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Collis and Hough
Chmn. Rosenberger announced that the applicant will receive written notification from the
city and has ten days in which to appeal to the City Council.
1138 STRAND - CONDITIONAL USE PMUT FOR TAKE-OUT FOOD WINDOW
Request by Terry Spragg and Robert May for a conditional use permit for a take-out window
at 1138 Strand.
Mr. Merl said an application for take-out window was approved several year ago for ice
cream only. He said the applicant has requested hours of operation from 9 a.m. to 11 p.m.
daily, and will supply a trash can and maintain the area. Six conditions were recommended
by staff if the application is granted.
Public hearing opened 7:58 p.m.
Planning Commission Minutes - March 24, 1975 page 4
Terry Spragg, 221 Third Place, Manhattan Beach, said he understands that the place was
operating last summer on a continuous basis. Regarding bike parking, he believes there is
a bike parking rack in a large cement area almost across from his location. He said he
will have a trash can in front of the window, and there is a large container across the
Strand; their food products are on sticks, and lemonade in paper cups. He said he is
partitioned from the adjacent store on one side by a solid wall; on the other side, his
lease requires installation of a solid locking door between his room and the next one.
Comm. Chiu asked if he would have any problem in providing a hose bib in order to wash
down the area. Mr. Spragg said there is a, large sink where he could attach a hose and
run it outside; he does not know if there is an outside faucet, or if he could make
extensive plumbing changes under the term of his lease. Comm. Chiu asked how he would
supervise a waiting line at the window so it would not form across the strand. Mr. Spragg
said he does not anticipate a line of more than 3 or 4 people at any one time and the
pavement is wider there than elsewhere on the Strand. He said he has a 12-month lease;
and several of his food items are unique in their method of preparation. Mr. Merl added
that no problems were cited by Police Chief.
Dick Plastino, 1046 Loma Drive, said Hermosa Beach had an opportunity to get a bike path
some years ago, and he suggests that the businessman or prospective businessman not be
penalized because it was not done, but do something now about the bike problem on the
Strand.
Public hearing closed 8:14 p.m.
Comm. Peirce asked if it is a fact that a Conditional Use Permit would not be required if
he were to continue selling ice cream bars. Mr. Merl said that is true.
Motion by Comm. Burt, seconded by Comm. Haller, to approve with conditions:
1. A trash recepticle in front of the business regularly emptied and maintained.
2. Hermosa Improvement Commission approval of all signs and exterior modifications.
3. Maintain the Strand area directly in front of the business in a neat and orderly
manner.
4. Take-out window service is to be a separate business entirely from the restaurant at
2-4 Pier Avenue.
5. Only soft drinks, coffee, ice cream, snack foods, lemonade, hot dogs and sandwiches
may be sold through the take-out window.
6. No change in the conditions of this permit, including hours (9 a.m. to 11 p.m.)
may be made without Planning Commission review and approval.
7. A hose bib is to be provided on the exterior of the building for cleaning the area.
8. Supervision of the waiting line is required.
9. Conditional Use Permit scheduled for review at the first meeting in August, 1975•
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Noes: Comm. Peirce and Haller
Absent: Comm. Collis and Hough
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Motion by Comm. Chiu, seconded by Chmn. Rosenberger, to adopt Resolution P.C. 154-1013
granting the request of Terry Spragg and Robert May for conditional use permit for a
take-out window at 1138 Strand pursuant to the public hearing on March 24, and subject
to the conditions in the motion above.
Ayes:
Comm.
Burt,
Chiu,
Chmn. Rosenberger
Noes:
Comm.
Peirce
and
Haller
Absent:
Comm.
Collis
and
Hough
1215 MANHATTAN AVENUE - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CHURCH
Request by Faith of Our Fathers Association,- Inc. for a Conditional Use Permit in conjunction
with the operation of a church.
Mr. Merl said the applicant requests permission to establish a church at 1215 Manhattan
Avenue, which was formerly a Baptist Church; the project site having about 17,000 sq. ft.,
with two stories and a basement. A layout was displayed showing the parking arrangement.
He said churches are allowed in any zone with a conditional use permit; it is not air-
conditioned; it is limited to 150-175 persons because of the existing situation regarding
fire exits, lighting, ventilation and restroom facilities; and there is anyauditorium, class
rooms, and in the basement a recreation area.
Public hearing opened 8:25 p.m.
Rev. Breck Stevens, 1540 Tenth Street, Manhattan Beach, said they wish to do extensive
remodeling but will not change any bearing walls; and have consulted three architects and
a structural engineer to assure themselves that the building is structurally sound. He
said the City Engineer has been in the building, too. They intend to make minor interior
changes to provide for nurseries, restrooms and a sanctuary. He said they will replaster,
are considering dry walling and will remove the framing for a third floor that is on the
roof. He said they were not aware of occupancy limitations. Mr. Merl said these were
established by the Fire Chief based on existing conditions, and could talk to him regarding
safety arrangements if they wish to have more occupancy.
Mr. Stevens said there will be attendants on both ends of the building to assist in parking,
and again to assist after the services. He said they chose this parking arrangement to
get more cars in; the architect felt the slope was not too great; and the lot will be black -
topped. Mr. Merl said the parking lot will have to be graded and recommended as a condition
that the parking lot be to the satisfaction of the City Engineer. Mr. Stevens said even-
tually they would like to put in a second story parkin g structure but not financially able
at present. He said they are newly incorporated; are running a church in Gardena; and have
people in the Beach cities.
Jay Riley, 14928- Condon, Lawndale, said there is a public lot to the north of that property,
and they were told by Pat Brown that possibly the school district lot can be used.
Bill Steinberg, 1404 Manhattan Avenue, Hermosa Beach, said the parking situation is very
crowded; the school lot is filled on weekends and week nights.
Allen Glenn, 1428 Palm Drive, said he concurs with the remarks about the parking; also has
heard that this group has religious affiliation with Bethel Tabernacle and wondered if they
would have people on the streets bothering other people.
Paul Fruge, 1348 Manhattan Avenue, said he is not in favor of the request; business and
density have grown over the years since the church was constructed; and would like it taken
into consideration that over 175 people would add to parking difficulties.
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Bob Weingartner, business next door, says he doesn't think parking is as critical as
represented, and the hours the church will operate will not affect his business. He
said speaking for land use, this structure will be a. white elephant if the church is not
let in; commercial was not successful.
Don Campbell, 1223 Monterey Blvd., said the rough framing has been on top of the roof for
6-8 months and should be taken down; parking and traffic are critical; concerned about the
nature of this religious group and would like to know more about their activities; and
asked that as part of the definition of church, the Commission would not permit residents
in the bui lding .
Mr. Stevens said they were told by Pat Brown that legally the city could not require them
to have any parking because the building was -built as a church, but the city would like them
to get parking. He said they rent the Neptunian Club which does not have city parking and
have had no complaints from the neighbors. He said they will not disturb the citizens of
Hermosa Beach. Hours of operation are 7:30 - 9:00 p.m. on 1liednesday, Friday, Saturday, and
Sunday nights, and Sunday morning at 9:45 with some off -night prayer meetings which are
not as well attended as regular services.
Comm. Peirce asked if the church does youth counseling. Mr. Stevens replied that their
doors are open whether they have a drug problem or not; they do not turn away anyone.
Comm. Chiu asked if Mr. Stevens envisions any full time occupancy of the structure as a
residence. Mr. Stevens said no, no one is to live there; it is for a church only. Comm.
Chiu asked if there will be any noise from the inside of the structure, since with 175
people in an unairconditioned building will necessitate opening some windows. Mr. Stevens
said the windows on the west side face Palm Drive; some open to the south near a real estate
office and perhaps a couple of residents. He said it is pretty well surrounded by commercial
property and he does not see where noise will be a problem.
Dick Plastino, 1046 Loma Drive, said their schedule would leave three nights a week with an
unoccupied parking lot, which might help. He said the city is worrying about the number of
liquor licenses --how many churches are there in Hermosa Beach? And it should not be
questioned what kind of church it is in the United States.
Public hearing closed 8:50 p.m.
Motion by Comm. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Haller, to approve subject to conditions:
1. That the accommodations for assembly occupancy be made; such as emergency fire exits;
no more than 150-175 persons, subject to approval of the Fire Chief and City Engineer;
be allowed to congregate due to space limitations; and adequate lighting, ventilation,
and restroom facilities be provided.
2. A trash bin should be stored off the alley.
3. Hours of operation no later than 10:00 p.m. on weekday nights.
4. A parking attendant be provided before and after regular services.
5. Six month review by the Planning Commission
6. Parking lot is subject to approval by City Engineer
7. No overnight occupancy except a limit of two persons during construction.
8. Framing on the roof is to be removed.
9. Noise level to be limited to 2 db above ambient noise level.
Planning Commission Minutes - March 24, 1975 page 7
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Haller, and Peirce
Noes: Chmn. Rosenberger
Absent: Comm. Collis and Hough
Motion by Comm. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Chiu, to adopt Resolution P.C. 154-1014 granting
the request for conditional use permit in conjunction with operation of a church, one of the
mitigating circumstances being that it was used as a church in the past-; occupant is supplying
up to 40 off-street parking spaces; it is not in conflict with the General Plan; and subject
to the conditions as stated in the motion above.
Chmn. Rosenberger recommended that the city closely monitor parking and responses of the
neighbors so the Commission can, in six months, make an evaluation based on the conditions
that will have existed over the six months and in detailed manner.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Haller, and Peirce
Noes: Chmn. Rosenberger
Absent: Comm. Collis and Hough
1433 HKWSA AVENUE - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR TAKE-OUT FOOD
Request of Lowe Construction Company for a Conditional Use Permit for take-out food in con-
junction with the construction of a restaurant, located at 1433 Hermosa Avenue.
Mr. Merl said the Foster Freez e structure will be demolished and another structure put upy
basically the same concept as Jack -in -the -Box with a speaker box for communication; there will
also be a dining area within the restaurant. He said they would provide 16 parking spaces,
and an enclosed trash bin.
Allen Glenn, 1428 Palm Drive, said he has property at 1432 Hermosa Avenue and his chief
concern is that a two-story building or a high sign might cut off the sea view and make rental
more difficult; also there has been a rowdy, noisy crowd around the Foster Freeze on weekends.
Mr. Merl said the Police Chief has stated that there should be strict control of the parking
area to keep customers from loitering.
Doug Beck, has six -unit apartment on Hermosa Avenue, and says that he objects to the noise
and congestion across the street, he has a large investment in the area, and his tenants are
afraid to cross the street.
Motion by Comm. Haller, seconded by Comm. Peirce, to continue because the Commission requires
input from the applicant. Questions have arisen especially in regard to noise which must be
discussed with the applicant. Continue to next regular meeting on April 14th. So ordered.
Mr. Beck objected to the continuance. Chmn. Rosenberger explained that the minutes of the
public hearing are part of the permanent record for the Conditional Use Permit; and also
requested that a request be sent to the Downtown Committee for comments on this application.
700 PACIFIC COAST BIGH-7AY - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SALE OF AUTOMOBILES
Request by Import House Sales & Service, Inc. for a conditional use permit to sell automobiles
at 700 Pacific Coast Highway.
Mr. Merl said this is a person -to -person transfer of an existing use but since Datsun Sales
existed prior to conditional use permit format, the applicant must get a conditional use permit
for retail sale of automobiles and repair facility.
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Public hearing opened 9:11 p.m.
Scooter Patrick, Vice President, 26015 Cypress, Lomita, said the facility will be import
sales as before, and they are not using the west facility. Mr. Merl said that is occupied
by a different tenant; and that the red signs were approved by the Improvement Commission;
and that the R-3 parcel behind is not included.
Owner of 629 7th and 830 8th Streets, said he would like one of the conditions of the permit
to be that he cannot use that property under any circumstances without going through the
proper channels. He also complained about the noise level of sports cars operated by the
Datsun dealer.
Public hearing closed 9:14 p.m.
Motion by Comm. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Burt, to approve the Conditional Use Permit for
this operation with the following conditions:
1. Provision and maintenance of an adequate trade storage area
2. All exterior modifications and signs be approved by the Hermosa Improvement Commission
3. Hours of operation and conditions to be as presented unless a change is approved by
the Planning Commission; 8 a.m. to 9 p.m. for sales, with repair service from 8 a.m.
to 6 p.m.
4. That the conditional use permit is for the commercially zoned lot only.
5. That the city monitor the noise level when complaints are received
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Haller, Peirce, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Collis and Hough
Motion by Comm. Peirce, seconded by Comm. Burt, to adopt Resolution P.C. 154-1015 granting
Import House Sales & Service, Inc. a conditional use permit to sell automobiles at 700
Pacific Coast Highway, a continuation of an existing use, in concert with the General Plan,
and subject to the five conditions placed on it in the previous motion.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Haller, Peirce, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Collis and Hough
NORTHWEST CORNER OF PROSPECT AVENUE AND 21ST STREET - ZONE AND GENERAL PLAN CHANGE
Request by Charles G. Johnston for a General Plan and Zone Change in order to construct nine
(9) tennis courts and a small clubhouse. Correspondence has been received. Chmn. Rosenberger
read into the record communications by Cyril Brookes of Brookes Electric Company, dated
March 24, 1975; and Tassie McCuistion, ld29 Hillcrest, Hermosa Beach; both in favor of
the proposed zone change.
Mr. Merl said the request is for zone change to C-2 for the property, about 22 acres, at the
corner of Prospect and 21st Street, in order to construct nine (9) tennis courts and a club
house in addition to the bowling alley. He said the City Attorney has noted that there is
an alternate method of conditional use permit in R-1; the applicant feels his project requires
commercial zoning.
Public hearing opened 9:28 p.m.
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Charles Johnston, 1676 Rico Place, Palos Verdes Peninsula, said they are asking for C-2
zoning on the property behind Hermosa Beach Bowl for tennis, swilling pool, men's and
women's clubs, small bar and restaurant, handball, parking, etc. He said they require C-2
because they have been told by financing institutions that is the only way it can be viably
financed; limited colateral security is not viable, as there must be the complete right to
use the property for some time if this does not work. Regarding a timetable, he said they
would start as soon as possible; 60 days for drawings; required time to obtain building
permits; and 7 to 9 months of construction. He said he has not been in this business before
but has been in the entertainment business, and in public service business which qualifies
him to do this.
Chmn. Rosenberger expressed the fears felt in regard to a change of zone to C-2; if the
project fails, the property could be used for other uses along commercial lines. He asked
if Mr. Johnston is aware, in addition to the conditional use permit alternative and C-2
possibilities, of the open space zone designation which is also applicable to this property
and'would allow the banking community to have long range projection. Mr. Johnson said
staff had fully appraised him of the alternatives, and he is aware of the open space zone
and the R-1 with conditional use permit, but believes the C-2 zone is the only viable way
but is willing to look into other ways if they can be demonstrated. He said he is acquiring
title to the vacant title, subject to rezoning; and that he has a firm commitment for financ-
ing.
Fred Cooper, 1219 24th Street, said he is a homeowner living in that neighborhood and is
concerned about the appearance and parking; there is tennis at Mira Costa High School; and
he feels that site is windy for tennis.
John Jones, 1101 Opal Street, Redondo Beach, said he works as lending officer for Crocker -
Bank, is acquainted with Mr. Johnston and his people, and has talked many times with the
City Council and Uptown Businessmen's Committee. He said he personally feels that this
racquet club would be a major improvement in the area, providing tax dollars, employment,
and an opportunity for adult and youth to have wholesome recreation. He said Crocker Bank
is not involved in the financing but would not be interested in financing with a conditional
use permit or open space zoning; with a project of this size they would want to be assured
for the bank and stockholders that they will have an alternate source of payment that would
be available from C-2. He said the Uptown Committee is in favor of the zone change, having
had two meetings on this and agreeing that it would be beneficial to the community; a
matter of record in the minutes.
Comm. Chiu asked if they would make a loan based on a time limited C-2 zone. Mr. Jones
said no, a loan of this kind is paid out over a period of years; perhaps if you specified
20 years. Chmn. Rosenberger asked what the function of the bank would be with regard to
the property if the project failed. Mr. Jones said after possessing the property as col-
ateral for the loan they would use the property to obtain the funds still owed which might
require all or part of the property; it might be sold and part may revert to Mr. Johnston
and his associates. Comm. Chiu suggested C-2 with open space easement conveyed to the city
for 10 feet above the ground. Mr. Jones said he has not considered that and would not make
a statement that they would or would not. Chmn. Rosenberger asked if Crocker would enter
into a unique arrangement as suggested here. Mr. Jones said it is possible but would not
be a general rule; he hopes the Commission will see fit to consider Mr. Johnston's request
and feels it would be beneficial to the community.
Ben Wasserman, 1112 Hermosa, said Mr. Johnston and his staff have talked with the Chamber of
Commerce and invited residents to view his plans. He said the Chamber is highly impressed
with him and with the operation he proposed to (the Commission); it will help the city, the
tax base in that area and employment. There will be 115 parking spaces, it will be sound-
proofed as much as possible, landscaped, and the lights will shine only on the courts. He
affirmed that the Chamber of Commerce would be in favor of the zone change on that property.
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Raymond Winters, owner of the property under discussion, said purchase is conditioned
upon achieving zone change and the ownership is in favor of this project. He said the
block as a whole is virtually all C-2 and may be more compatible with the General Plan
to be all C-2. He said access to the side streets could be restricted where there is
R-1 zoning, with ingress and egress on the major thoroughfares.
Marilyn A ltamura, 734 Strand, said this is a very workable and valid usage of the land
there; two clubs in Manhattan Beach are working on a very large success margin; there is
a long waiting time involved in using existing courts; and she would like to support the
plan and grant the zone change.
Harry Smith, 423 Second Street, said in thinking over all the problems and the fact that
this property has been a detriment to the city, he thinks that arranging so the loan can
be made and going ahead with this recreation project is the best answer.
Lou Doke, 2014 Rhodes Street, said he is in favor of the project in this neighborhood and
asked, if the financing fell through, if there would be -the alternative by the Planning
Commission or by the neighborhood to change the zoning to C-1. Mr. Merl said if C-2 is
granted it would stand, and would need to give reasons for changing again; conditions for
use in C-2 would require a precise plan, which the Commission can grant but the applicant
has said he will not accept that. He said the City Attorney might be consulted on the
precise plan, and on -reversion to former zoning.
Bill Robins, 508 25th Street, said he is a tennis player and would be very much in favor.
Harold Roberts, 2014 Hillcrest, said it would be good for the community; he is opposed to
anything that would cause the Commission to give up control of the land in a, way that
would allow density to go up.
Margaret Boatwright, 1211 21st Street, is not in favor; she would like to see beautiful
homes built there, and believes Hermosa Beach has beautiful recreational facilities.
Dick Plastino, 1046 Loma Drive, said he thinks most of the block is C-2 already and
surrounded by Prospect, Artesia, and Pacific Coast Highway, streets that can handle C-2.
Comm. Peirce said 10% is R-3, 40-45% is R-1.
Mr. Johnston said it is ecologically and environmentally sound, it is a private club with
expectations of 1500 members, and will not contribute to density, dust or noise. He said
the $300,000 figure in the Environmental Impact Report may be referred to as the cost of
the courts, that being the property that needs rezoning. He said hours of operation are
not set specifically but will probably be from 7 or 8 in the morning until 10 at night;
not all night, will not run tennis courts until 1 or 2 in the morning. He said there will
be emergency ingress and egress on Prospect, with major access on Hermosa Beach Bowl
property; and will put in speed bumps, landscaping, and full security fence. He said right
of first refusal to the city would be a legal problem; a properly phrased legal document
of first refusal might work, but he didn't know. Neal Palmer said it would take $120,000
to bring the Bowl building up to present Building Code; all it has is a structural -roof
and shell.
Chmn. Rosenberger said the Commission would like to conduct further research on alternatives.)
Comm. Haller asked if staff could have a report from the City Attorney by April 14th.
Public hearing closed 10:40 p.m.
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Comm. Chiu requested staff to ask the City Attorney if it will be possible to have a time
limit of 30'years on the C-2 zoning subject to open space easement 50' above ground, or
one story; to hold to required dedication of land across 21st Street for traffic volume;
and city to have right of first refusal.
Chmn. Rosenberger continued this item to the next meeting on April 14th.
13 2 STRAND - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOL
Continued from page 2. Applicant present.
Public hearing opened 10:53 p.m.
Norman C. Krikorian, K & L Enterprises, and Tom Allen, Attorney, had no further information
to add. No one else wished to be heard.
Public hearing closed 10:54 p.m.
Comm. Chiu asked the distribution for liquor licenses and beer licenses. Chmn. Rosenberger
replied that there were 6 plus the Veterans of Foreign War's Post.
Mr. James, owner, said many other businesses have tried and failed in that building; he
will give them a five year lease or more; the building has been sound -proofed; and they
are in the parking zone.
Chmn. Rosenberger called attention to the memos of the Downtown Committee and Police Chief.
Comm. Chiu asked if food would be served and if the area is large enough for a restaurant.
Mr. Krikorian said some food would be served; the owner said the size is 45' x 53' with
22 parking spaces.
Motion by Comm. Burt, seconded by Comm. Chiu, to approve with the following conditions:
1. Six month review
2. Permit is issued to applicant only and transferral requires review and approval of
the Planning Commission
3. All exterior alterations and signation to be approved by the Improvement Commission
4. Food be available in conjunction with the operation
5. No entertainment without Planning Commission approval
6. Hours of operation to be 11 a.m. to 2 a.m.
7. Hose bib to be provided on exterior of building for cleaning area
Ayes: None
Noes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Haller, Peirce, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Absent: Comm. Collis and Hough
Chmn. Rosenberger announced that the application was denied, the applicant will be notified
in writing and will have ten days to appeal to the City Council in writing.
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Motion by Comm. Burt, seconded by Comm. Peirce, to adopt Resolution P. C. 154-1016 denying
the application for a conditional use permit for the sale of alcoholic beverages, for the
following reasons: there are already 14 alcohol dispensing facioities in the Downtown area
in the space of 10 or 12 blocks and several of these are cocktail lounges. The Commission
does not feel that another is needed in this area because of additional police and noise
problems. Also that it would be detremental to other commercial enterprises in the zone.
Comments by the police chief that we deny the permit for six reasons, and the Downtown
Committee has opposed it in their memo of February 6, 1975•
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Peirce, Haller, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Collis and Hough
22 PIER AVENUE - FLAGSHIP
Mr. Merl said this review was continued from March loth to obtain the opinions of the City
Attorney and Police Chief. The applicant is asking that'one of the conditions be altered to
permit them to have the flipper games that they have requested. The games were removed as
requested by the Planning Commission.
Comm. Haller requested more specific information concerning the mention of some arrests by
Police Chief Stonier. Mr. Merl said if litigous matters are concerned he cannot comment;
but he has suggested review in six months.
Mr. Scott said the pinball machines make no noise; they have disconnected the bells; they
cannot be heard over the sound level in the building and they cannot be heard outside.
Comm. Chiu suggested approving the games but that they not be reinstated for an equivalent
amount of time that they were used improperly. Comm. Peirce said he believes it is a matter
of intent, and would be against that because of the dereliction of the city.
Motion by Comm, Peirce, seconded by Comm. Burt, to approve continuance of the conditional
use permit for six months, and to have two (2) only flipper games on the premises, with review
in six months; with the understanding that for any additional changes they would come back
to the Planning Commission. An exterior hose bib is to be installed for cleanup of the
sidewalks and front door spring replaced.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Haller, Peirce, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Noes: Comm. Chiu
Absent: Comm. Collis and Hough
962 FIRST STREET - PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR FIVE (5) CONDOMINIUMS
Mr. Merl explained that this is a technical action, approved six months ago subject to City
Attorney review, basically in conformance with the spirit of the General Plan but withheld
because the General Plan had not been changed at that time. The changes have now been made.
Motion by Comm. Peirce, seconded by Chmn. Rosenberger, to approve the review.
Ayes: Comm. Burt, Chiu, Haller, Peirce, and Chmn. Rosenberger
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Collis and Hough
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INTERPRETATION OF R-2 LOT WIDTH EELUIRENENP
Request by Pat Brown for interpretation where the lot exceeds the square footage requirement
but lacks one foot in width. Comm. Burt said it could not be done except under Planned Unit
Development. The Commission agreed that it might be done under Planned Unit Development
with City Attorney concurrence.
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Mr. Merl said the ordinance requires 5000 sq. ft. of lot area for apartment style condo-
miniums and Mr. Brown is asking if a variance can be allowed for a lot having 4800 sq. ft.
Comm. Peirce said, and the Commission agreed, that the 5000 sq. ft. in minimum.
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BEACH RESTROOMS
Mr. Merl reviewed the County request to replace an inadequate restroom facility with an
all new structure just south of Pier, and a new structure at 14th Street.
Motion by Chmn. Rosenberger to approve with recommendations that there be adequate bicycle
parking, landscaping on top, and alternate roof protection device to eliminate railings;
to be sent to City Council with notation that these conditions are also needed for the
existing restrooms because they have created a problem. So ordered.
DRIVEWAY LENGTHS - R-2B RE UIREMENTS
Motion by Chmn. Rosenberger to continue agenda items 4- 16 & -47 until Comm. Collis is present
COMMISSIONERS' ITEMS
Public hearing for R-3 to be set for April 28th, 1975. Comm. Haller asked to Ya ve the
changes incorporated into the ordinance. It was determined that the f.'i-nal changes would be
added to the original ordinance in parentheses without interim changes, with update of
chart and addition of open space. Comm. Chiu requested that hose bibs be added.
Mr. Bill Grill addressed the Commission regarding their action on his request for a
conditional use permit. He was concerned that they may have confused his beer request
with his take-out window request. Mr. Merl said he believes it was clear to the Commissioners
that there two distinct and separate parts to his request. The Commissioners all acknowledged
that they had understood this when they considered the request.
Mr. Merl said he would write Berkeley for their ordinance regarding housing.
Comm. Haller requested the list of proposed General Plan changes previously compiled.
Comm. Chiu suggested that the 15-20 minute presentation by Town Hall on parking problems
be on the next agenda.
Meeting adjourned 12:03 a.m.
CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes were approved at a public hearing held March 24,
1975, by the P ng Commission of the City of Hermosa Beach.
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JA ROSE.E�iMGER, ISHAIRMAN S MIRCE, ACTTNG SECRETARY
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