HomeMy WebLinkAboutPC_Minutes_75.07.28MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD IN
THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, CITY HALL, HERMOSA BEACH, ON MONDAY,
JULY 28, 1975, AT 7:30 P.M.
Meeting called to order by Chmn. Collis at 7:37 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Present: Comm. Haller, Hough, Learned, Loosli, Rosenberger, Chmn. Collis
Absent: Comm. Burt
Also present was Rod Merl, Planning Director
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Motion by Comm. Haller, seconded by Comm. Hough, to approve the minutes of
July 14, 1975, as submitted.
Ayes: Comm. Haller, Hough, Learned, Loosli, Rosenberger, Chmn. Collis
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Burt
APPROVAL OF RESOLUTIONS
Motion by Comm. Haller, seconded by Comm. Rosenberger, to approve Resolution
P.C. 154-1043 as submitted.
Ayes: Comm. Haller, Hough, Loosli, Ch►nn. Collis
Noes: Comm. Rosenberger
Abstain: Comm. Learned
Absent: Comm. Burt
Motion by Comm. Rosenberger, seconded by Comm. Hough, to approve Resolution
P.C. 154-1044 as submitted.
Ayes: Comm. Haller, Hough, Learned, Loosli, Rosenberger, Chmn. Collis
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Burt
Motion by Comm. Haller, seconded by Comm. Hough, to approve Resolution
P.C. 154-1045 as submitted.
Ayes: Comm. Haller, Hough, Learned, Loosli, Rosenberger, Chmn. Collis
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Burt
Motion by Comm. Hough, seconded by Comm. Rosenberger, to approve Resolution
P.C. 154-1046 as submitted.
Ayes: Comm. Haller, Hough, Loosli, Rosenberger, Chmn. Collis
Noes: None
Abstain: Comm. Learned
Absent: Comm. Burt
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - Monday, July 28, 1975
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Motion by Comm. Hough, seconded by Comm. Rosenberger, to approve Resolution
P.C. 154-1047 as submitted, the review date established as October 28 by City
Council.
Ayes: Comm. Haller, Learned, Loosli, Rosenberger, Chmn. Collis
Noes: Comm. Hough
Absent: Comm. Burt
R-2 AMENDMENTS Continued
Mr. Merl read Article 12 of N.S. 154, referred to in Section 501 K. of the proposed
R-2 zoning amendment.
Public hearing opened 7:47 p.m.
Bud White, 1522 Strand, said he is a new resident in Hermosa Beach as of July 1st,
has a lot 2400 sq. ft. zoned R-2B, and received notice in the mail regarding a
zoning change to 3000 sq. ft. for a duplex. Chmn. Collis told him the R-2 amend-
ment will not affect his lot.
Mr. Glick, 220 29th Street, said the great majority of R-2 lots are under 2600 or
2700 sq. ft.; were bought in good faith for duplexes to carry part of the tax burden;
the buildings on his block are mixed; and he thinks there should be a modification
to this section that present lots in that area will automatically conform to the code.
Alan Adler, 2132 Monterey, said between 19th and Park there are 21 lots, only 5
of which are not already duplexes; changing the R-2 requirements would reduce the
property value of thise odd lots that have not already been developed; and he thinks
this would add confusion and make things unnecessarily complicated.
Mr. George Becker, 2432 Myrtle Avenue, said he wants to go on record as opposed
to the proposed changes; there is a question as to whether there is a legal problem
in changing this ordinance to restrict these properties. Mr. Merl said the City
Attorney stated that he sees no immediate problem but is concerned because this
action is in a new area; and requested that if the Commission does approve of:all
the changes that they approve all the changes but create severability by acting on
the lot area requirement in a separate motion; if it becomes an issue it will not cloud
the other portions .
Mr. Becker said a statement was made that the properties in the proposed area are
preponderately single family dwellings, but he observed one street where, of 8 or
9 dwellings, 6 or 7 were duplexes, on each side of the street. He cited traffic
and parking problems, and substandard conditions, such as sewers, that need
correction; he does not believe the city has a positive definition of what it is trying
to do with the town; and believes the proposed changes will not do enough for the
city but will work a hardship on a few people.
James Miller, 2415 Myrtle Avenue, said he lives next to a lot affected and thinks
people paying taxes should be able to enjoy the value of their property. In answer
to the suggestion that people go to the County for tax relief, he said the city should
effect the changes; the County will do nothing for the individual.
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An unidentified individual delivered three pages of a petition opposing the proposed
changes to the R-2 section of N.S. 154, totaling 43 signatures.
Pete Tucker, 235 34th Street, asked for clarification of the 10' front setback, and
method of determining lot coverage.
Bert Johnson, 321 28th Street, said he would like to go on record as saying that the
idea is good but the city is going about it the wrong way; he would like to see people
able to develop as other people in the immediate area have done.
Mr. White questioned the effect on property values. Comm. Haller said the South
Bay Board of Real Estate estimate of increase is 10-15%, an average for all properties
in that area including R-1 and R-2.
Chmn. Collis read a letter dated July 10, 1975, approving the proposed amendment
and signed by Coralie C . Ebey, 2466 Myrtle Avenue.
Public hearing closed 8:26 p.m.
Comm. Haller said part of the reason for the proposed changes has to do with the
state mandate which says that zoning laws must conform to the General Plan. In the
land use element the areas discussed are medium density, or 14-25 dwelling units
per acre; with the lots developed to the maximum under present requirements, the
density would be 36.9 du/acre. By increasing lot area requirements, it can be reduced
to 29 du/acre. In one sense, we do have a mandate to bring our zoning into conform-
ity with the General Plan. There is a definition as to what conformity ought to be.
She said the area is now developed to 60% of its potential; the implications of
development to full potential bother her; and she wants to protect the amenities of
her environment as much as she can.
Comm. Hough said changing the amount of land from 2400 to 3000 sq. ft. might affect
the deterioration of the buildings if people could rebuild only to R-1 after tearing
down a building. She questioned whether people would change if they had to give up
rent or income to relieve taxes.
Comm. Rosenberger said it appears to be economically feasible for the owner to
maintain and rehabilitate, and that he is not worried about deterioration.
Comm. Haller noted that there is a provision for planned unit development in the
proposal which supercedes the restrictions imposed by the zone and makes it
possible to obtain quality development.
Comm. Hough said if the zoning is changed to R-1, people would not be able to
build to R-2 even under planned unit development.
In answer to several requests for statistical information, Chmn. Collis said there
are 1289 R-2 lots; of those, 458 have less than 2400 sq. ft. and/or a width of less
than 30 ft; 374 lots are 30 ft. or wider with land area from 2400 to 2999 sq. ft.;
and 457 lots have 3000 sq. ft. or more; so we are talking about a little over 800
lots affected in terms of land use area. He said the 458 lots are less than 2400
sq. ft. and do not qualify for two units at this time, therefore we are talking about
374 lots that would be affected by the proposed change.
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Comm. Loosli said a lot of the problem has to do with taxation; Assemblyman
Beverly, 1611 South Pacific Coast Highway, Redondo Beach, has made available
a booklet giving procedure for filing assessment appeals; and the city can help
by making a statement that the owner can take to the tax assessor. Comm.
Rosenberger said the inequity can be alleviated by downzoning to the actual usage
rather than creating extra paper work and costs of appeals. Comm. Learned said
the people seem to have two separate concerns: one, taxation for R-2 lots with
only R-1 usage; and two, the desire to develop as R-2.
Motion by Comm. Hough, seconded by Comm. Rosenberger, to approve the R-2
zoning amendment to N.S. 154 (Article 5) with the following corrections:
Section 501. B. (second line) ; However, the maximum required setback shall
be ten (10) feet.....
Section 501. H. (2) Any building used for human habitation shall not be located
closer to the rear property line than a distance of five (5) feet, and three (3)
feet on the upper stories; however....
Section 501. E. exclude entirely.
Comm. Haller said she would like to see Section 501. E. included in the motion;
that this item is an essential part and would prefer that it go to City Council as
one motion. She said if one part is found to be unconstitutional that does not
necessarily nullify the entire law. Comm. Loosli concurred.
Vote on motion above:
Ayes: Comm. Hough, Chmn. Collis
Noes: Comm. Haller, Learned, Loosli, Rosenberger
Absent: Comm. Burt
Chmn. Collis added that he thinks the recommendation of the City Attorney as to
procedure should be followed concerning the separation of the motion.
Motion by Comm. Haller, seconded by Comm. Rosenberger, to approve the R-2
zoning amendment to N.S. 154 (Article 5), including Section 500, 501 A-L (with
corrections to B. and H. as above), 502, and adding Section 503. If any portion
of this ordinance is found to be outside the law or unconstitutional it will not
nullify other provisions of the amendment.
Comm. Hough said she feels the crux of the matter is the square footage and would
not like to have the other provisions held up if it is appealed at the Council level.
Vote on motion above:
Ayes: Comm. Haller, Hough, Loosli, Rosenberger, Chmn. Collis
Noes: Comm. Learned
Absent: Comm. Burt
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Motion by Comm. Haller, seconded by Comm. Hough, to adopt Resolution P.C.
154-1048 approving the proposed R-2 zoning amendments to N.S. 154 (Article 5),
including Sections 500, 501, 502 and 503 as in the motion above. After extensive
public hearings in which testimony was taken from residents living within and
outside the area affected, and receiving written correspondence and petitions; and
as the R-2 change would make the zoning consistent with the General Plan
designation; as the new proposal calls out the option of planned unit development
heretofore not specifically called out although it did apply; in light of the city's
current philosophy in regard to density and especially to density problems in that
area, to include problems with parking, trash, animals, pollution, density, and
noise; and with the provision for open space which has not been previously included
in R-2. There has been a continuing process on the part of the Planning Commission
to try to enhance the standards of development following the philosophy established
in enacting changes to R-3 in 1968 and 1972, setting a precedent which was to be
carried out in the other zones. Qualitative analysis of the R-2 zones established
that there are 1289 R-2 lots; 458 having less than 2400 sq. ft. and/or a width of
less than 30', which did not qualify for two units prior to this amendment; 374 lots
of 30' or wider with land area from 2400 to 2999 sq. ft., which would be affected
by the proposed change; and 457 lots having 3000 sq. ft. or more, which will not
be affected by the amendments.
Ayes: Comm. Haller, Hough, Learned, Loosli, Rosenberger, Chmn. Collis
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Burt
Mrs. George Becker, 2432 Myrtle Avenue, requested that all 1298 property owners be
notified when this matter comes before City Council. Chmn. Collis said her request
should be made to City Council. Comm. Hough suggested that in transmittal letter
to the City Council, the Planning Commission shouldrmention that members of the
audience requested that all R-2 owners be notified.
NOISE ELEMENT
Mr. Merl said the copies received are the revised element, however Commissioners
have come in today with more changes. Chmn. Collis said he would like to see it
continued until all changes are incorporated and they have the final copy before them.
Public hearing opened 9:14 p.m.
Mr. Grant Isgreen, 726 Prospect, cited enforcement problems such as a street having
a 6000 lb. gross load limit which is still used by trucks and the police apparently
are unaware of the limit. He said he has not seen a copy of the element. Mr. Merl
said copies are available in the city library.
Mrs. George Becker, 2432 Myrtle Avenue, said she is in favor of a noise element;
there is no manual of procedure concerning animal control; she believes the police
department handles noise problems so would like to know if the Planning Commission
is infringing on other departments, or if they are attempting enforcement of existing
laws.
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Mr. Robert Reed, 2902, 2904, 2916 Ingleside Drive, residing at 2902, cited a
number of traffic problems on Ingleside Drive.
Mr. Higgins, 2705 Morningside Drive, described the traffic conditions from
Artesia to Gould to the beach as complicated by beach traffic and by large trucks
on residential streets, and asked if such traffic could be diverted to commercial
streets, as Pier. Mr. Merl replied that it is current city policy to move through
traffic to commercial streets, and to redesign Gould to reduce traffic; also they
are trying to realign buses.
Public hearing closed 9:3 6 p.m.
Motion by Comm. Rosenberger, seconded by Comm. Learned, to continue to the
first meeting in August; the Noise Element to be placed first on the agenda and
advertised for public hearing at 7:00 p.m. So ordered.
901-903 15TH STREET
Final development plans and tentative tract map #25800 to construct a two -unit
condominium on an R-2 lot.
Comm. Hough asked if the driveway will be asphalt or cement; and if the CC&R's
designate that children will be allowed. Mr. Merl said the driveway will be
asphalt; and there is no prohibition on children. He said that provision has been
stricken by the Department of Real Estate.
Public hearing opened 9:41 p.m.
Katherine Smith, 6318 Vista Del Mar, Playa del Ray, representing Charles Gotanda,
said that on the paperwork received so far, this is referred to as planned unit
development; they have not been able to sell a previous property under Veterans
Administration because of terminology of the city which has no conformity with the
terminology of the state and the Department of Real Estate; and this lack of con-
formity also causes difficulty in insurance, financing, and taxation. Mr. Merl
said the city is in the process of changing the language of the ordinances, and
this resolution could give approval for a condominuzm. Miss Smith said that would
be sufficient so far as they are concerned, or it could give approval under planned
unit development as defined by the city of Hermosa Beach.
Public hearing closed 9:56 p.m.
Motion by Comm. Hough, seconded by Comm. Haller, to approve subject to
standard subdivision requirements.
Ayes: Comm. Haller, Hough, Learned, Loosli, Chmn. Collis
Noes: None
Abstain: Comm. Rosenberger
Absent: Comm. Burt
Motion by Comm. Hough, seconded by Comm. Haller, to adopt Resolution P.C.
154-1049 approving the two -unit condominium at 901-903 15th Street under
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PUD as defined by the City of Hermosa Beach. After receiving testimony, it has
been determined that it meets thetentative conditions and requirements for PUD as
defined by the City of Hermosa Beach.
Ayes: Comm. Haller, Hough, Learned, Loosi, Chmn Collis
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Burt
Abstain: Comm. Rosenberger
208-2121 MANHATTAN AVENUE 20SECOND STREET
CUP for construction of 3-unit condominium under PUD and Tentative Tract Map #26400.
Mr. Merl reviewed the analysis; the IC approved last Thursday with one addition to
the landscaping pale, a planter between the driveways. He said that 33 du/a is the
correctfigure (incorrectly shown on second page as 27 du/a).
Public Hearing opened 10:15 p.m.
Katherine Smith, representing Charles Gotunda, said the recreation space is a
common facility, a grass area fenced on the east and north sides and left open
on 2nd Street and Manhattan Avenue sides. Comm. Rosenberger asked on what the
landscaping plans are based. Miss Smith said they maintain a professional land-
scaper, they have information provided by the Chamber of Commerce on the plants
and trees best suited to the locality. Qgmm. Rosenberger what professionally
trained staff reviews landscape plans for the city and is any city staff involved.
Mr. Merl replied that they are reviewed by IC and that the city does not have
landscape architects.
Miss Smith noted that they have provided two parking spaces per unit as required and
make an effort to keep curb cuts to a minimum in order to leave additional parking on
the street.
Public. hearing closed 10:22 p.m.
Motion by Comm. Rosenberger., seconded by Comm. Learned, to approve subject to
standard subdivision requirements
Ayes: Comm. Haller, Hough, Learned , Rosenberger; Chmn Collis
Noes: Comm. Loosli
Absent: Comm. Burt
Motion by Comm. Rosenberger ., seconded by Comm. Hough, to adopt Resolution P.C.
154-1050 approving a three -unit condominium and tentative tract map #26400 under
PUD as defined by the City of Hermosa Beach. In the opinion of the Commission it
is consistent v ith the GP; meets subdivision requirements; exceeds open space and
recreation space requirements; is well within the density of the GP: and subject
to the standard map conditions. Final development plan is required within six
months; and irrigation system; the landscaping plan as approved by IC.
Ayes: Comm. Haller, Hough, Learned, Rosenberger, Chmn Collis
Noes: Comm. Loosli
Absent: Comm. Burt
628 THE STRAND Final Develo ent Plan & Tract Map 126122
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628 THE STRAND Final Devel.apement Plan & Tract Map 1 63
Mr. Merl reviewed one of the analysis and said this was previously
approved subject to a series of conditions, one of which was elimination
of the elevator to the roof.
Public Hearing opened 10:27 P.M.
Richard Cooling, 205 Avenue 1, Redondo Beach, architect, said they
have removed the elevator from the roof; the elevator penthouse is
necessary for operation of the elevator and projects 5"or 6 feet above
the roof; and the stairway to the roof projects 8' above the roof.
He said the landscaping firm that was employed has been doing coastal
word in adjacent areas for 12 years and has a total file on plant
materials in this area; the fireplaces are wood -burning metal boxes
with gas jets, not masonry. He said there is a permanent irrigation
system.
Public Hearing closed 10:30 p.m.
Comm. Loosli said this is an apartment condominium requiring a minimum
of 5000 sq. ft. and is in violation of the law since the lot size is
4800 sq. ft.; he feels that the city can do better that this under the
Plan Unit Developement on the Strand.
Comm. Haller said she voted no on this originally because there were
a number of almost identical developments, it is lacking is some of
the amenities, and she objects because she tMnks that it is not
the kind of quality that the city would like to see; although it
does conform to the preliminary she will vote no. Comm. Rosenberger
said he voted no also at that time; certainly the Improvement Commission
has given the man direction; and asked staff the standing of the
Planning Commission. Mr. Merl said a memo from the City Attorney
indicated that they are voting whether it is consistent with that
which was requested.
Motion by Comm. Haller, seconded by Comm. Hough, to approve the final
development plan.and tentative tract map #26539 at 628 Strand with
the tract map being subject to standard map conditions.
Chmn. Collis said he thinks the Planning Commission has an obligation
since they have given the applicant direction and are legally bound
to approve.
Comm. Hough said she is reluctant to vote yes; the change to the
elevator was not what she expected; technically they are supposed to
be able to make changes; and she feels that they must screen these
projects the fires time and make sure that everything is specific.
Comm. Loosli read from the code that a legislative body of a city
shall disapprove the final development plan if the site is not physically
suitable for the development or not physically suitable for the density.
Comm. Haller said she would definitely like her objections to the
project incorporated in a minority report to be carried on to the
City Council; although she objected before she is now bound by the
majority vote �� ofetherecordCommission
Comm.Rosenbergerher
Concurcomments to be
included as pa
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(A minority report is to be complied incorporating the comments of the
dissenting members as given above.)
Vote on the motion above:
Ayes; Comm. Haller, Hough, Learned, Rosenberger, Chmn Collis.
Noes: Comm. Loosli
Absent: Comm. Burt
Motion by Comm. Hough, seconded by Comm. Learned, to adopt Resolution
Planning Commission 154-1051 approving the final development plan
and tentative tract map #26359 to construct a four -unit condominium
at 628 Strand subject to standard map conditions; it meets the requirements
on ginally established in the Planning Commission 154-1035; is
consistent with the General Plan and subdivision requirements and
density
Ayes: Comm. Haller, Hough, Learned, Rosenberger, Chmn Collis
Noes; Comm. Loosli
Absent: Comm. Burt
Comm. Hough suggested that on propertied requiring a cul-de-sac
or street extension, the Planning Commission asked or required that
the applicant use the material, as asphalt or concrete, to conform
to the rest of the street.
Comm. Rosenberger left.
OPEN SPACE ZONE
Mr. Merl said the Commission has made a determination regarding the
advertising for Open Space Zoning in which the properties will be
divided into two groups: the first advertised by newspaper as it was
previously listed as public or school on the zoning map; the second
group will be advertised to all property owners within 300 feet since
they were previously zoned by other designations such as R-2 or
C-2; and review procedures will be established for future uses.
He said a letter has been received from Dr. Joyce asking that the
Planning Commission delete the developed portions Of the school grounds
from open space designation, (listed in the letter of July 25, 2975)-
Public Hearing opened 10:49 p.m. No one wished to be heard. Closed 10:49 p.m.
Motion by Comm. Hough, seconded by Comm. Haler, that the property
listed in the notice of public hearing, dated 7/17/75, by classified as
open space.
Chmn. Collis, asked for clarification of the subcommittee's recommendation
regarding the open space. Comm. Hough said the school feels that
they cannot get the highest price for the land if it is in Open Space.
The subcommittee felt that they want to sell land to a developer
it would have to be rezoned anyway, consistent withthe land around it:
she still feels it should be in Open Space and the Planning Commission
should see plans first; North School was not really discussion was
of Hermosa View and South School.
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Vote on motion above:
Ayes: Comm. Haller, Hough , Loosli, Chmn. Collis
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Burt, Rosenberger
Abstain: Comm. Learned
Motion By Comm. Hough, seconded by Comm. Haller, to adopt Resolution P.C.
154-1052 designation the properties listed herein as zoned Open Space
consistent with the revisions of the General Plan and Open S'pace
element; all properties are publicly -owned properties; and this does
not pertain to any privately -owned properties. There are kept open to
insure continuance of public benefit gross lack of open space in
Hermosa Beach.
Ayes: Comm.Haller, Hough, Learned, Loosli, Chmn. Collis
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Burt, Rosenberger
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
Motion by Comm. Haugh to continue since the Board of Zoning Adjustments
has not yet acted on them. So ordered.
16 14TH STREET
Six-month review of the Conditional Use Permit for sale of alcoholic
beverages.
Mr. Merl said there have been no complaints from the police department.
Motion by Comm. Haller to grant an additional twelve month review
period since all conditions of the Conditional Use Permit have been met.
So ordered.
PROPERTY EXCHANGE- CITY AND SCHOOL DISTRICT
MR.Merl described the properties to be exchanged which requires
review by the Planning Commission to see if they are consistent with
the General Plan: the school property must be retained by the city
as park o;' it will revert to the School District; the red properties
involved are nto yet designated open space as they are included into
the group,to be advertised to residents within 300' ; the properties
shown in blue on the map are already designated open space.
Motion by Comm. Hough, seconded by .Comm Learned to approve; it is
consistent with the General Plan and Open Space -element; provided that
the property is to have a record deed restriction to retain it for park
purposes.
Ayes; Comm. Haller, Hough, Learned, Loosli, Chmn. Colli
Noes: None
Absent: Comm. Burt, Rosenberger
Resolution P.C. 154-1053 will be written by Mr. Merl
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26 9 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY
Six-month review of the Conditional Use Permit for a take-out restaurant
facility.
Mr. Merl said the signs were approved by the Hermosa Improvement Commission
but never were put up; one sign on the window was not painted out as
stipulated.
Motion by Comm. Haller, seconded by Comm. Hough, to continue to the
next regular meetion of August 11, 1975. So ordered.
PARKING DISCUSSION
Motion by Comm. Haller, seconded by Comm. Hough to continue to the
next regular meeting.
STAFF REPORTS
Mr. Merl said the Housing ordinance has cleared the Board of Zoning adjustment
and will be on the next agenda for public hearing. He said the
Planning Commission agenda is being given to KKOP, the Hermosa Review,
the Daily Breeze and the Easy Reader.
COMMISSIONERS' ITEMS
Chmn. Collis said that a car repair business to the south of 2659 Pacific
Coast Highway has a trash receptable in the alley. Mr. Merl said
there is a requirement to keep trash bins off city property and he
will look into it.
Chmn. Collis requested that members of the Planning Commission consider
some goals and objectives for the next fiscal year, and make suggestions
as to the direction to the Planning Commission in the planning process.
Comm. Hal&er suggested that each member prioritize his list.
Chmn. Collis requested that the members analyze the materials propr
to the public hearings on items such as final development plans for
conservation of time during the hearings.
Chmn. Collis appointed Comm. Hough to attend the meeting of the
League of California Cities in San Francisco in October, and deferred
decision on the second appointment until next week.
Meeting adjourned 11:22 p.m.
CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes were adopted by the City
Planning Commission of Hermosa Beach at a public hearing held on the
28th day of July 1975.
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Ames Vollii�sChairman
Sue Haller Secretary